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Gharbad the Weak posted:Does it say anywhere in 5e that druids can't use metal armor? If a new group started with 0 experience, is this a thing they'd see? I think Crawford has said that they don't usually but also said yours can if you have a good reason or whatever. Personally I'd just say scale is made out of animal scales.
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Nephzinho posted:You can do whatever you want with them really. I think the only real official variant is the Buckler, which is AC 1 but easier to drop. I've done AC 3 tower shields, shields that give a Shield Bash-esque bonus action to push or knock prone, bladed shields that functionally retaliate on attack, etc. I'm okay with getting creative as a GM and I'm going to steal a few of those ideas. Thanks! it's just odd that they specify Druids can't use metal shields when you can just say "okay well then I'm using an identical wooden shield then." So if you can say that, then I'm okay with saying that druids wear mechanically identical heavy armour made out of lacquered leather or Elven ironwood or whatever. You could just ignore it altogether, but it could be kind of fun to have personalized nonmetal loot for your druid player??? idk
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Mar 14, 2019 18:59
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BattleMaster posted:I'm okay with getting creative as a GM and I'm going to steal a few of those ideas. Thanks! Have the druid make scale out of various creatures, with the intensity of the creature corresponding to the level of the armor. So Half-Plate might be bulette scales while Plate might be drake scales, etc. Or wyrm scales of different colors corresponding with +n. Just use flavor that makes sense and run with it. Likewise a druid might just use natural armor as a shield - think Oakenshield in the hobbit using a giant gently caress off branch as a shield. Large creatures shells could be shield. Have fun with it, don't worry about mechanical purity.
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Mar 14, 2019 19:07
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Yeah my druid wears a worked bulette hide - there's no need to further wring flavor out of what's already a relatively sanitized, soulless affair.
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Mar 14, 2019 19:15
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Who the gently caress uses steel shields anyway? Just use a wooden shield.
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Mar 14, 2019 19:20
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Hey, I recorded a thing for the start of a Waterdeep campaign I'm running tonight, but I don't actually know anything about recording and I can't tell if I'm bad at it or my voice is just garbage, or if it's fine and I'm being self conscience, someone listen to it and tell me if it's unlistenable before I embarrass myself in front of my friends https://soundcloud.com/jared-mccloud-668073680/first-draft/s-ukSWI
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Mar 14, 2019 20:57
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The whole druid armour bullshit could be easily avoided if they'd put "druids traditionally avoid wearing metal armour" in the flavour section of the class, not in the loving mechanics. I know it's a really tiny rule, but it's so perfectly encapsulates what a mess the presentation of the rules is. Especially as the most common armour for a druid will be barkskin and/or "is a bear"
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Mar 14, 2019 21:40
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thespaceinvader posted:Who the gently caress uses steel shields anyway? Just use a wooden shield. Imagine dents (and oh god the edge damage) of a big-enough-yet-light-enough steel shield after a couple of fights. Imagine having to fix that poo poo every day. A year of that poo poo makes you want to turn into a bear and live in the woods.
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Mar 14, 2019 21:50
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Before I took over DMing my group, our DM tried to make it a thing that not only did druids not wear armor, but the party druid's scimitar didn't meld with the rest of her items during wild shape, so she would have to remember to pick up it up after unshaping.
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Mar 14, 2019 21:53
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CubeTheory posted:Hey, I recorded a thing for the start of a Waterdeep campaign I'm running tonight, but I don't actually know anything about recording and I can't tell if I'm bad at it or my voice is just garbage, or if it's fine and I'm being self conscience, someone listen to it and tell me if it's unlistenable before I embarrass myself in front of my friends As someone that knows nothing about audio. That was great.
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Mar 14, 2019 22:56
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Weird Druid question. If a Druid has an item equipped that is cursed, like a pair of boots, and the curse states that they cannot be removed by normal means without a dispel magic or remove curse, could the Druid wild shape into a squirrel while choosing to drop all of their equipment to get out of the boots? The answer is probably “it’s up to the DM” but I’m curious what y’all think.
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Mar 14, 2019 23:55
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Pussy Quipped posted:Weird Druid question. Magic items resize to the wearer, so enjoy your tiny cursed squirrel booties, ya doofus.
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Mar 14, 2019 23:59
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Toshimo posted:Magic items resize to the wearer, so enjoy your tiny cursed squirrel booties, ya doofus. "You choose whether your equipment falls to the ground in your space, merges into your new form, or is worn by it. Worn equipment functions as normal, but the DM decides whether it is practical for the new form to wear a piece of equipment, based on the creature’s shape and size. Your equipment doesn’t change size or shape to match the new form, and any equipment that the new form can’t wear must either fall to the ground or merge with it. Equipment that merges with the form has no effect until you leave the form." Seems pretty cut and dry, but a DM could obviously go "Yeah... No."
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Mar 15, 2019 00:38
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Arthil posted:"You choose whether your equipment falls to the ground in your space, merges into your new form, or is worn by it. Worn equipment functions as normal, but the DM decides whether it is practical for the new form to wear a piece of equipment, based on the creature’s shape and size. Your equipment doesn’t change size or shape to match the new form, and any equipment that the new form can’t wear must either fall to the ground or merge with it. Equipment that merges with the form has no effect until you leave the form." I'd say that this is a great opportunity to reward a smart druid at level two, and that most casters would be able to dump the item easily from level five onwards, and if the DM wants to keep the cursed item in play then they should just find another way of gluing it onto a different player / quest NPC.
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Mar 15, 2019 01:02
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Our Barbarian got the short end of the stick of a Basilisk and got petrified. We're level 7 so its gonna be interesting to see what the GM allows us to do to try and let the player actually play the game again.
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Mar 15, 2019 01:08
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Play a temporary character till you get to level 9.
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Mar 15, 2019 01:12
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Pussy Quipped posted:Weird Druid question. I would love to play a squirrel nicknamed Boots, how do I get in on this
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Mar 15, 2019 01:29
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Conspiratiorist posted:Play a temporary character till you get to level 9. Agreed. Maybe the barbarian has a friendly mage friend who wants to save them. Maybe they have a long lost sibling who is identical in every way and is sworn to avenge their loss and complete their life's work. Maybe it's just an excuse to play randos for a few weeks while the party figures out what to do next.
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Mar 15, 2019 03:42
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Druid chat made me realize that ironwood isn't a 5e thing. But more importantly, Shape Wood isn't either. Why can a druid shape stone, which can very easily be composed of metal ore, but not loving wood?
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Mar 15, 2019 06:01
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Nasgate posted:Druid chat made me realize that ironwood isn't a 5e thing. But more importantly, Shape Wood isn't either. Because shaping loving wood is more of a bard thing. 
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Mar 15, 2019 07:54
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PrinnySquadron posted:Our Barbarian got the short end of the stick of a Basilisk and got petrified. Seems simple enough. A lowish check (probably Nature, but maybe Arcana could work too) and the party figures out that Basilisk saliva, or maybe even stomach acid reverts the petrification process.
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Mar 15, 2019 09:36
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any time the party is looking for a store to buy equipment from, the party leader has to awkwardly ask the armorer or whatever "excuse me, do you have any
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Mar 15, 2019 14:20
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Warning: Our leather is processed in a facility that also processes chainmail.
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Mar 15, 2019 14:51
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I just ignore dumb dndisms like “no bladed weapons for clerics” or “Druids don’t use metal armor.”
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Mar 15, 2019 15:09
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They say Q'orn scalemail is actually worse for the environment than regular metal armour.
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Mar 15, 2019 15:10
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Stuff like druids having equipment made from obsidian and bone and wood is cool for just a little bit of spice, as long as the DM isn't using it to play arbitrary scarcity games and making it significantly more difficult for one character to obtain basic equipment
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Mar 15, 2019 15:17
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inthesto posted:Stuff like druids having equipment made from obsidian and bone and wood is cool for just a little bit of spice, as long as the DM isn't using it to play arbitrary scarcity games and making it significantly more difficult for one character to obtain basic equipment Yup, this. D&D could really use more of a firewall between fluff and rules. Separate the flavor stuff and ribbon abilities into the intro paragraphs describing the class and leave the mechanics to mechanic.
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Mar 15, 2019 15:21
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inthesto posted:Stuff like druids having equipment made from obsidian and bone and wood is cool for just a little bit of spice, as long as the DM isn't using it to play arbitrary scarcity games and making it significantly more difficult for one character to obtain basic equipment Agreed. Things like that rightly should be viewed as opportunities for flavor, not handicapping. It's neat that the cleric wants to use a bone crushing maul rather than a sword, but they should still be rolling the same dice.
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Mar 15, 2019 15:22
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Just say "My druid uses dragon scale armor" then the GM can say " Cool, how did you get that?" If for some reason that material isn't available, they should give you suggestions and you work out together what that material is. If they refuse to do either they are bad and boring.
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Mar 15, 2019 15:39
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I witness a debate during a game about whether the studs in studded leather armor would preclude a druid from using it and what % of the armor had to be metal for it to be metal armor. Boy, that was fascinating...
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Kaysette posted:I witness a debate during a game about whether the studs in studded leather armor would preclude a druid from using it and what % of the armor had to be metal for it to be metal armor. What's to debate? They obviously can't, because that's the most stupid answer. ED: actually  http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/rules-answers-march-2016 Conspiratiorist fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Mar 15, 2019 |
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Numlock posted:I just ignore dumb dndisms like “no bladed weapons for clerics” or “Druids don’t use metal armor.” Why do you want things as bland as possible
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Mar 15, 2019 16:46
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mastershakeman posted:Why do you want things as bland as possible
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Numlock posted:I just ignore dumb dndisms like “no bladed weapons for clerics” or “Druids don’t use metal armor.” mastershakeman posted:Why do you want things as bland as possible The dumb corollary to this is that later versions of D&D always have some weaselly, rules-legal way to circumvent the restrictions anyway, like a War Domain cleric that still gets to use swords or whatever. They can't even stick to their guns even when they do include the D&Disms
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Mar 15, 2019 17:54
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Honestly I hate that weapons have individual damage dice anyway. Tie damage dice to class, diversify weapons with more keywords or something. Spears and Halberds get reach, Maces and Warhammers can push creatures 5 feet, whatever. Reduce damage if you're using a shield or two weapons so it's all balanced the same. This is especially bad for Rogues who have one option for d8s that they can sneak attack with.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Honestly I hate that weapons have individual damage dice anyway. Tie damage dice to class, diversify weapons with more keywords or something. Spears and Halberds get reach, Maces and Warhammers can push creatures 5 feet, whatever. Reduce damage if you're using a shield or two weapons so it's all balanced the same. Get rid of damage dice entirely and add more cool tag-based effects.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Honestly I hate that weapons have individual damage dice anyway. Tie damage dice to class, diversify weapons with more keywords or something. Spears and Halberds get reach, Maces and Warhammers can push creatures 5 feet, whatever. Reduce damage if you're using a shield or two weapons so it's all balanced the same. Just reskin weapons at will. The only place the "visual" matters is head canon. No one gives a poo poo if your halberd ackshully looks like a Beq de Corbin.
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I'm actually in favor of cutting out damage dice and HP in favor of "wounds," where the hits you take have some effect and having so many wounds at once knocks you out. The HP system feels like a lot of unnecessary math when the design philosophy is built around the idea that you should be able to survive X number of hits per combat.
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mastershakeman posted:Why do you want things as bland as possible Every game I've ever run, most characters, especially religious characters, have organically come up with their own restrictions or compulsions at the table which are far more interesting than what weapons they can't use, but YMMV.
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gradenko_2000 posted:The dumb corollary to this is that later versions of D&D always have some weaselly, rules-legal way to circumvent the restrictions anyway, like a War Domain cleric that still gets to use swords or whatever. It's walking the balance between "this game is recognizably D&D" and "this game isn't identical to a cobbled-together set of rules designed in the 70s". Compare 5E to, say, AD&D and there's a massive number of improvements when compared to the relatively small number of legacy rules that make little or no sense. It's just that nobody playing 5E has had to think about that chart of weapon type modifiers to hit against types of armor for twenty or more years and it's easy to forget. (I only played with two groups that used it.) They have been inching toward "do whatever makes sense for your campaign" for a long time, but for some reason, certain people who enjoy playing also enjoy things like lengthy rules interpretation arguments. Can't imagine why. Honestly, the number of things that can be done in a system need to be set against the rules strictures in ways which make sense for a specific campaign and group of players. Want to multiclass as a Cleric 1/Druid 19 who takes the Forge domain and worships the Celtic god of the forge in a campaign set on alternate Earth? It seems really reasonable to forget the "wood only" armor restriction. Want to multiclass as a Cleric 1/Druid 19 who takes the War domain for the armor and weapon proficiencies, deity to be named later? It almost certainly isn't going to be game-breaking to waive the armor restriction, but it probably won't be game-breaking to observe it, either. Waiving the Monk armor restriction for that Cleric/Monk might be more questionable, but honestly that ends up being less broken than a Monk with some Warlock (Hexblade) levels who can cast Shield and gets a bunch of other useful things without needing to wear armor at all. There's enough lingering problems underlying all of this (Dexterity is too desirable already even before you design heavy armor to work best for low Dex characters) that you're almost better off making most of your rules decisions, as DM, based on concepts within the setting of the game. PC is a Druid in a particular order? Does that order place any restrictions on its members? Even better, you can strip away the lingering class-based rules restrictions and make matters related to specific magical oaths sworn; consequences don't need to be "loss of abilities" and can instead resonate within the setting. That paladin who turned on his order still receives spells, but there's a multi-nation manhunt on to catch, try, and probably execute him. Whether he escapes, finds protection with another order, repents, or is caught, it'll make for some interesting stories and challenges.
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