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Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Uranium 235 posted:

The Dig podcast has a good episode about white power violence with Kathleen Belew, it's worth a listen

https://www.blubrry.com/jacobin/39238477/the-dig-the-roots-of-white-power-violence-with-kathleen-belew/


Daniel Denvir's thread about the massacre:

https://twitter.com/DanielDenvir/status/1106587448790958080

Jeremiah Wright was right, Obama was a cuck to disavow him

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ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

he was definitely stupid about politics and philosophy. im sure he could count fine though

ill never get people on the left defending his manifesto, its just a rightwing screed crying about Libs with some reactionary environmentalism thrown in

lib warfare-focused podcast popular front recently had a kaczynski acolyte on as the reasonable environmentalist guy explaining eco-fascist and nihilist groups

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


Flutch posted:

something is broken in me. it’s been this way since afghanistan beheading videos, i was like twelve. i feel utterly restless until i watch the footage. and inevitably, as i do right now, i feel horrible afterwards. this time it’s a specifically burning rage because i’ve been watching along with you all in this thread this poo poo percolate in slow motion over the last decade. this is all so hosed up. it’s almost like i can’t find mental closure or even progression until i see the footage. my loving brain, y’all. jesus christ. why do i do always do this. and i know i will next time, too.

absolutely gently caress these fascist networks and these scumlord coward crackers. i feel despair and rage. going to try my best to not obsessively follow this all day but, these kind of events also kind of get my mania going. loving hell. thanks for being my diary, thread.

PS - every ‘don’t watch the video’ makes it harder for me not to. i’m sure i’m not the only one like this.


Sometimes I wonder/worry if I'm a sociopath in some way. I hate the right wing, the fascists, what they do, I'm upset at this tragedy and every other one, but watching videos of it, or other events and video of murder/deaths never effects me. The video and images never linger with me or are hard to watch, and I don't feel bad about having watched it, just angry at the perpetrators and sympathy for those effected. Its not that it doesn't seem real its just... the physical image of people dying just doesn't bother me itself. Ah whatever, I'm loving rambling.


gently caress these nazi's, and gently caress the culture that will always continue to give them a pass and encourage them. They're just going to keep doing this more and more and I feel like live streamed mass murder is just going to be a new meme for them.

THS
Sep 15, 2017

if you worry that you’re a sociopath you probably aren’t

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Intel&Sebastian posted:

For sure, I mean I could be wrong but the PDP shoutout to me just seems less like a calculated move to harm him and more of a catchphrase they were already using.

And maybe the story ought to be more about what's going on with "the right" when one of the easier to predict effects of a mass shooting is that they'll care more about pissing off people who are upset by mass murder than anything remotely related to the actual murders.

You could be right - but a lot of what this guy did was premeditated to cause chaos and sow the seeds of discord in our world. As SpaceGoku(great name) pointed out, these guys were trying to get alt-right-adjacent people banned from youtube in an effort to further radicalize their followers.

As far as whats going on with the right... they are completely dead souled psychos who have no concept of empathy. People like this terrorist are the most extreme examples but I think we all know at least one guy who could be going down this path.

yorkinshire
Apr 28, 2009

In space no one can hear your dope beats.
I'm not watching anymore of these videos because I can perfectly recall most of the violence I've seen in these videos and I can't see how that kind of imprinting on my brain can be any good.

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

also ted definitely needed to clean his dang room bucko. have you SEEN that cabin

I worked on a doc about Ted. The cabin was a DISGRACE.

If only these people read 12 rules for Life.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
teddy bear essentially sent bombs to his Posting Enemies, which is the same thing any given d&d poster would do

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven
The thread title is pretty perfect.

These people have lost all contact with reality and their fellow humans. This guy's big gripe was 'white genocide created by low birthrates' to him it was more realistic to murder 50 people than get a wife and start a family.

I haven't smoked in a few years, but I think I might buy a pack at lunch.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Montasque posted:

I haven't smoked in a few years, but I think I might buy a pack at lunch.

don't do it!

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

that's how i get stuck smoking for a year or two every time i quit

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Al! posted:

that's how i get stuck smoking for a year or two every time i quit

i quit once for 9 months then smoked at a bar and got sucked back in for 3 more years. finally quit again and it's been 9 years. not worth it. never again.

McGlockenshire
Dec 16, 2005

GOLLOCKS!

Sephyr posted:

I'm really loving torn on the "don't show the attack/manifesto" issue.

Burying it isn't the problem. The problem is that you have to be Extremely Online to actually read and understand it. The vast majority of people aren't going to be able to pick up on why, for example, he singled out Candace Owens.

No amount of exposure to the actual "useful" parts of the manifesto is going to outdo the spin that the chuds and their RWM allies are already putting out. Reddit is plastered with people doing stupid poo poo like focusing on the whole "eco fascist" thing and intentionally dismissing the white nationalist rhetoric because "lol the whole thing is a joke designed to throw us off, we'll never know for sure why he did it."

This act of terrorism, the livestream, and the manifesto are all going to lead to more, regardless of how quietly or loudly it's talked about. There's always more, and it's always worse.

Elderbean
Jun 10, 2013


Love how the right is hyperfocused on the Eco part of Ecofacism.

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Elderbean posted:

Love how the right is hyperfocused on the Eco part of Ecofacism.

The two bits he put in there to throw people off the scent was the Ecofacism and the Candice Owens call out.

The Ecofascism thing seems to be working wonders.

Elderbean
Jun 10, 2013


Being concerned about the environment overrides all the poo poo about race and makes him a leftist lol.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



ecofascism is what the US is doing lol, "eco" doesn't mean protection just on its own, the name put it at explicit odds with eco-socialism

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Epic High Five posted:

ecofascism is what the US is doing lol, "eco" doesn't mean protection just on its own, the name put it at explicit odds with eco-socialism

:umberto:

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
the mosque shooter wants to take away your cheeseburgers, just like aoc

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Elderbean posted:

Love how the right is hyperfocused on the Eco part of Ecofacism.

well fascism is a form of socialism,

The Ol Spicy Keychain
Jan 17, 2013

I MEPHISTO MY OWN ASSHOLE

Elderbean posted:

Love how the right is hyperfocused on the Eco part of Ecofacism.

Yeah they're saying it's a leftist falseflag

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

The Ol Spicy Keychain posted:

Yeah they're saying it's a leftist falseflag

of course, they say this about literally every right-wing mass shooter

THS
Sep 15, 2017

richard spencer himself could livestream himself shooting up a mosque while loudly shouting “i am doing this because i am a right winger, i am doing racism, we must secure a future for our white children” and it would be a false flag op

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
The ecology bit is one I've seen used by chud-adjacent people as a way to indirectly attack minorities. "Hindus/muslims/blacks have too many children, it's not sustainable for our poor planet!"

SpaceGoku
Jul 19, 2011

the thing about fash is that they mix sincerity and irony freely and flexibly so it's hard to tell if how sincere and how ironic they're being at a given time so I could see someone from AU/NZ having genuine eco-fash leanings considering like one of the only things I know about NZ politics is that land rights and use of land by foreigners is actually a thing people there care about

but it could also have been a complete shitpost, it's genuinely hard to tell

on the other hand the candace owens thing was 100% a highly specific joke targeted at like maybe 20 people on a private discord server somewhere

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Eox posted:

the altright: a contradictory diaspora of internet weirdos

https://twitter.com/david_kochman/status/1106596282095722497?s=19

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

Admiral Ray posted:

the thing i actually worry the most is that he labeled himself an eco-fascist, which will light up across popular right wing media and mainstream outlets as a thought terminating cliche to connect him to the left and environmental concerns.
It's already happening in our local paper's broke-brained comment section.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

nothing suspicious going on here

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


helpful heuristic
mass shooter claims to be a lefty: false flag
mass shooter claims to be something obscure or contradictory (ecofascist): false flag
mass shooter makes no claims and releases no manifesto: false flag
mass shooter openly admits that he is a right winger hoping to achieve right wing political aims: false flag
mass shooter is muslim: definitely 100% real

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Sephyr posted:

The ecology bit is one I've seen used by chud-adjacent people as a way to indirectly attack minorities. "Hindus/muslims/blacks have too many children, it's not sustainable for our poor planet!"

Pretty sure that people who are worried about lebensraum are a little bit more than chud-adjacent.

Carl Von Awesomwitz
May 2, 2006

Sisko Lied, Romulans Died

Montasque posted:


I haven't smoked in a few years, but I think I might buy a pack at lunch.

real post: buy some disposable vaping poo poo or nicotine gum or a really nasty cigarillo (I'll buy a swisher sweats two pack every six months or so and its nasty enough to keep me from wanting anything to do with smoking for months), anything other than cigs.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
I was going to read his manifesto, but decided to read the bread book instead. balance is important though, so I'll clean my room over the weekend.

succ
Nov 11, 2016

by Cyrano4747
/r/watchpeopledie and /r/gore banned

/r/pewdiepie_submissions quarantined

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

succ posted:

/r/watchpeopledie and /r/gore banned

/r/pewdiepie_submissions quarantined

We should probably stop seal clapping at tech companies for getting rid of their murderdeathkill forums and racist dens of radicalization after they get attached to one murderdeathkill/radical that's too well publicized.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
/r/watchpeoplepewdie

oh and it looks like James Gunn has been unfired by Disney, so another win for Weird Mike

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Intel&Sebastian posted:

We should probably stop seal clapping at tech companies for getting rid of their murderdeathkill forums and racist dens of radicalization after they get attached to one murderdeathkill/radical that's too well publicized.

we don't. but it is progress nonetheless

yorkinshire
Apr 28, 2009

In space no one can hear your dope beats.
The r/paradoxplaza and the subreddits for their specific games has put out a statement regarding the racist memes that persist in those communities saying they will no longer be tolerated. Apparently one meme, "remove kabab" that is pretty common in the paradox community was written on the shooters mag. I'm glad to see a company whose products seem to attract the kinds of people who want mods that add penal colonies, genocide buttons, and removal of non whites from stellaris human packs is doing something, but Jesus why did it take so long.

https://www.reddit.com/r/paradoxplaza/comments/b1dz7s/lets_take_our_good_name_back_we_need_to_talk/

the great deceiver
Sep 23, 2003

why the feds worried bout me clockin on this corner/
when there's politicians out here gettin popped in arizona
the best and most prescient thing lowtax ever did was cutting the 4chan cancer off these forums early

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Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

Someone in the gbs lowtax thread said it best. You dont truly know someone until they've been banned from SA

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