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but yeah, the little mobile terminals on the vehicles are wince. you know because they're frequently crashed to desktop
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we had some similar gas pumps where the only interface was a a floppy or serial port so I attached one of those serial to ethernet bridges and tunnel all that poo poo back to to a VM that polled for transactions every few minutes. that poo poo sucked.
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we had some old dos based (and also custom embedded firmware based) CNC machines that had to be able to pull files from the network. they had ethernet and very limited SMB1 support. so yeah we had to build a bridge VM that the engineers could push stuff to and the CNC machines could pull files from because lol at the bullshit you'd have to do to get them to deal with a modern windows domain. the manufacturers' documentation where it even exists is entirely "shut off all the security features from the last 20 years and force SMBv1" oh, and everything is in german
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Mar 15, 2019 19:13
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infernal machines posted:but yeah, the little mobile terminals on the vehicles are wince. you know because they're frequently crashed to desktop I've seen a couple of crashed presto boxes, meant to take a picture but most of the time it's during rush hour on king lol
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infernal machines posted:we had some old dos based (and also custom embedded firmware based) CNC machines that had to be able to pull files from the network. they had ethernet and very limited SMB1 support. so yeah we had to build a bridge VM that the engineers could push stuff to and the CNC machines could pull files from because lol at the bullshit you'd have to do to get them to deal with a modern windows domain. the manufacturers' documentation where it even exists is entirely "shut off all the security features from the last 20 years and force SMBv1" this is otoh what i recognize as useful fit-for-purpose development work. guaranteed doing this was way more efficient with resources than trying to get some part modernized, or otherwise trying to reengineer the circumstances. or sitting around whining about someone's choices in the past for that matter
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Mar 15, 2019 19:18
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it was part of a massive project setting up a new manufacturing facility. at the time we managed to convince them that their decade old network infrastructure made of chewing gum and bad ideas was not going to survive the move to the new facility, so just build it from scratch, properly. this was broadly a good idea but required some stuff like the aforementioned bridging systems because the old way of handling it had always been "shut off all the security features from the last 20 years"
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Mar 15, 2019 19:21
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Chris Knight posted:I've seen a couple of crashed presto boxes, meant to take a picture but most of the time it's during rush hour on king lol i see them on dundas a lot for whatever reason 
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Mar 15, 2019 19:23
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infernal machines posted:once, daily.  quote:the balance is stored on the card, the terminals get updated to push online purchased balances to the cards. there's a set of master cards with the previous day's balance updates that gets tapped to push the balance/card pairs to the reader, when a relevant fare card is tapped its balance gets updated on the card. new danish public transport system has that dumb card centricity too: the card stores balance, gets updated when you check in & out of bus/train/metro, which means if you put money on it online, the card doesnt know, and you may have to wait up to 24 hrs before being able to travel. its loving stupid.
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Mar 15, 2019 20:06
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god, that looks almost exactly identical
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Krankenstyle posted:
yes, ours works like that.
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infernal machines posted:yes, ours works like that. ugh dump it in the trash i hate it forever
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Mar 15, 2019 20:28
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I don't think the use of stored-value cards is bad in itself, (on a bus the cellular connection might be down say 1% of the time) but they do need to actually have a cellular connection so that the other 99% of the time the card will have the correct balance if you have refilled it online.
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Mar 15, 2019 20:28
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metrolinx, the government agency that oversees the fare integration through presto has promised all this and more in version 2, coming probably 2030 or just shortly after the sun turns the planet into a smoking cinder
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Mar 15, 2019 20:30
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Actually, theoretically couldn't they allow you to refill the cards from an app on an NFC-equipped phone?
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mystes posted:I don't think the use of stored-value cards is bad in itself, (on a bus the cellular connection might be down say 1% of the time) but they do need to actually have a cellular connection so that the other 99% of the time the card will have the correct balance if you have refilled it online. they should handle it the same way grocery stores do; just run the transaction and queue it up until the network link comes back up. you'll have some number that will fail but its not worth the disruption to turn away passengers without fare on their cards for that very small number of occurrences where that will happen
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Krankenstyle posted:
it also means with an rfid device and some time you could have unlimited balance i guess depending on how its checked against the central authority
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Mar 15, 2019 20:45
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mystes posted:Actually, theoretically couldn't they allow you to refill the cards from an app on an NFC-equipped phone? in theory they could have an app running on an nfc equipped phone, but oh, it is to laugh BangersInMyKnickers posted:they should handle it the same way grocery stores do; just run the transaction and queue it up until the network link comes back up. you'll have some number that will fail but its not worth the disruption to turn away passengers without fare on their cards for that very small number of occurrences where that will happen well good news, our fare readers are down so frequently we just wave passengers through anyway because the system would explode sideways if we didn't
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Mar 15, 2019 21:15
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When I rode a bus in SF the reader didn't work and I was told to just get going and not slow down the bus, paying for fare is optional
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Mar 15, 2019 21:17
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Boiled Water posted:it also means with an rfid device and some time you could have unlimited balance "central authority" isn't required for the system to function, in as much as it's possible to buy cash-only cards and never register them or add a balance through the online system. if you tied to impersonate a registered card tied to an online account there would be a balance discrepancy, but the whole system is so rickety i'm betting that happens all the time and i doubt anyone is actually paying attention to flagged accounts at this point
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Mar 15, 2019 21:18
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:they should handle it the same way grocery stores do; just run the transaction and queue it up until the network link comes back up. you'll have some number that will fail but its not worth the disruption to turn away passengers without fare on their cards for that very small number of occurrences where that will happen you can buy anonymous cards but theres a max "overdraught" on them so you cant check in after a certain point. this is fair... but my card is on a named account. they can gently caress me up if i try to cheat... im short 5 dkk this trip so i ill have to wait an entire day instead of just refilling the card that is in my name today/tonight/tomorrow.
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infernal machines posted:"central authority" isn't required for the system to function, in as much as it's possible to buy cash-only cards and never register them or add a balance through the online system. if you tied to impersonate a registered card tied to an online account there would be a balance discrepancy, but the whole system is so rickety i'm betting that happens all the time and i doubt anyone is actually paying attention to flagged accounts at this point i meant for the danish transit system, not whatever hellsystem you sit beneath
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Boiled Water posted:i meant for the danish transit system, not whatever hellsystem you sit beneath okay, but the reason the danish system works that way is because it's the same as the one we use. Rejsekort is built by accenture, same as presto, using the same technology. quote:The implementation of Rejsekortet is considered to be one of the biggest IT scandals in Denmark. This due to the not very successful end product, the doubled price-tag and the extreme delay in the original project plan. quote:Thales Group and Accenture were awarded the contract to supply this system in October 2009. Implementation is the responsibility of Metrolinx, of which Presto became an operating division in 2011. The Presto project was strongly criticized by the Auditor General of Ontario in 2012 for "roll-out glitches, cost escalations and untendered contract extensions" and warned the system could become the world's most expensive fare-card implementation project.[2][3][4] Instead of putting the development Presto Next Generation out to competitive tender, Metrolinx simply increased the size of the original base contract awarded to Accenture in 2006. By 2012, the cost of the system ballooned to $700 million infernal machines fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Mar 15, 2019 |
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Mar 15, 2019 21:34
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i missed that part completely free fares for all i guess
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Mar 15, 2019 21:41
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Boiled Water posted:free fares for all i guess this but unironically ours is easier though. in toronto we have free fares for children under 12, but they have to have a registered card. so you buy a card, register it for someone with a birthdate less than 12 years ago and voila! free travel anywhere in toronto while still using an apparently valid fare card
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Mar 15, 2019 21:43
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considering the immense cost of implementing and running these large scale systems I wouldn't be surprised if just making transport free would be cheaper. A danish tech show on tv did some maths which proposed just giving every citizen and tourist a smartphone and make an app for transport. Would've been some 100m dkk cheaper
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Mar 15, 2019 21:50
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infernal machines posted:this but unironically in ottawa it's 5 and under, gonna make a card for my nephew
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Mar 15, 2019 21:54
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wanna hear a fuckup it’s cubic.
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Mar 15, 2019 23:50
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free fares worldwide imo and if people start crying about that, then countrywide i guess theyre called public for a reason
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Public transit should be like schools: if you live where it is, you pay for it, whether or not you use it
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Public transit should pay for itself like roads. Wait a minute...
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Mar 16, 2019 00:57
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the public bus can’t kick you off for refusing to pay a fare here. ex gf used to take a bus and almost every day this entire family would just get on and never pay, argue with the driver, but there was nothing he could really do
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Mar 18, 2019 01:33
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Anybody else think Satya Nadella is doing a bad job running Microsoft?
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Mar 21, 2019 22:21
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compared to who?
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Mar 21, 2019 22:39
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Chill Callahan posted:Anybody else think Satya Nadella is doing a bad job running Microsoft? no.
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Mar 21, 2019 23:05
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It doesn't take much effort to be the best in class when your competitors are "
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Mar 22, 2019 08:57
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and yet balmers phone sideshow fell on its rear end
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Mar 22, 2019 10:14
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Chill Callahan posted:Anybody else think Satya Nadella is doing a bad job running Microsoft? Yes literally the world's most valuable company of all time is being run poorly
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he’s doing a way better job than balmer but so could anyone
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WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW posted:literally the world's most valuable company of all time saudi aramco would beg to differ
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