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Mar 16, 2019 16:00
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Mr.PayDay posted:It’s usually the transition to 1440p that “forces” upgrades, as we are talking about going from 2,1 million pixels to 3,6 million pixels. Coming from a 980Ti, and while it was one of the best price-performance GPUs (if not the best ) the last ~ 4 years, the games and gfx engines of the last 2 years (especially Open world games) will brutally tank your fps. when i got my 1060 i, kind of foolishly, didnt really forsee myself getting a 1440p monitor for a while right now it barely hangs on to adequacy because gsync really helps smooth out its struggling but every once in a while theres just going to be a scene that murders. Hopefully it holds through Sekiro okay, and it should, because I'm kind of unsure what I really want to upgrade to and I should only have more options later
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Mar 16, 2019 16:07
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I had a 4K monitor with a 680 that I ended up returning because the 4K implementation was too hacky. Too many games would get stuck on half the screen. I don't remember significant performance issues with it, I must have just been lucky with the games I was trying to play while I had it. I thought it was cool because I remembered a time when even 800x600 was too crazy high to get reasonable performance and it seemed like they figured out resolutions better where moving up wasn't dramatically difficult.
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Mar 16, 2019 16:25
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spasticColon posted:Is anyone else having issues with Nvidia's newest driver? I had to roll back to the previous driver because my system would randomly freeze up for 1-2 seconds, audio would stammer, and then it would go back to working normally until the next random 1-2 second freeze-up. Everything seems to be running fine after rolling back to 419.17 though. Ok I thought this was something on my end. I've had random hitching in BFV and actually had a full system shutdown after a freeze up.
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Mar 16, 2019 16:36
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it COULD be a 5 minute article, but they don't make ad rev on the youtubes
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Mar 16, 2019 20:14
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I like the longer HardwareUnboxed/GamersNexus videos. Yall know you can just skip ahead to the graphs if ya want.
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Mar 16, 2019 21:02
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Mr.PayDay posted:In my Discord community I am observing a pattern of users with the 6700K and serious hints that this CPU is a heavy bottleneck when combined with a 2070/80/80Ti on new games/gameengines. Unscientifically, after I bought a 2080 I decided to upgrade my very old i7 (2011-ish?) to new intel stuff and I didn't see much of a max framerate change but I definitely noticed my minimums improved and games overall felt smoother.
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Mar 16, 2019 21:06
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If that video is like his other ones, it's long because he goes through every setting in detail and it's performance hit with visual comparisons. I love them for optimising
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Mar 17, 2019 01:16
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I changed my settings while watching that and it was pretty helpful. It’s watch that or fumble around myself. I’d do the “palm slam a vhs and do the moves with the main character” thing but I’m not that funny or dedicated to the joke.
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Mar 17, 2019 02:00
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I'm surprisingly impressed by the RTX implementation in Exodus. I didn't even get a 2080 to do RTX, it was just a better deal than a 1080Ti so I got it. I fully expected to just run with RTX off and not care. But drat is it good. There are so many random times in the game that I find myself losing sight of whatever I'm up to just to look at an especially good lighting implementation. Don't get me wrong, it's far from perfect. You also need to be the right kind of person to appreciate it, because it's not really "flashy" like many graphic effects. In fact, it often makes the game darker than it otherwise would be, and some people probably hate that. But there's something so awesome about it. The shadows cast on your gun when you're by a campfire at night. Even things like daytime illumination on NPC armor. The weirdest things in the game world captivate your attention in a very authentic and interesting way. Anyways I just wanted to say that I'm way more impressed than I thought I would be. Ray tracing is the real deal. It's probably not worth getting into unless you have the cash to throw around, but it's been years since I've been so impressed by a graphic feature. Really looking forward to the future of this tech. That's weird to say because if you asked me a month ago I would have said it was overhyped trash.
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Mar 17, 2019 05:42
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I have 2560x1600@60Hz monitor with DL-DVI. My first problem was that GTX 970 couldn't run games at 60fps anymore, so I bought the very cheapest RTX 2060 with a DL-DVI port as a stopgap, while waiting for LG's 144Hz 38" ultrawide (with DP) and maybe 3xxx series GPU's. So this lovely Gainward 2060 Golden Sample GPU had a terrible cooling solution. It ran at 40C even while idle, and steered towards 80C even when fans ran at full speed... Well the fan#2 worked erratically so I RMA'd the card before doing anything to it and got a new one. I played for an evening with the card#2 and everything worked fine. Next day I slapped Arctic Cooling's Twin Turbo III cooler on it. It doesn't support RTX 2060 which means you have to drill new holes to the cooler bracket, salvage M2 nuts from the backplate holder clips, and remove a piece of the bracket because of a protruding surface component. I also learned the new holes must be drilled about 4-5mm offset because otherwise the cooler hits the GPU's connector bracaket and doesn't fit. Luckily the cooler's baseplate was large enough to just barely cover the entire GPU die... Anyways. Now I have the same fan problem as with card#1's stock fans. The fans work fine until GPU core rises past 1350MHz and then the fan starts to run up and down allll the time. At this point I am extremely fed up with this poo poo and I order a loving GPU 4pin->motherboard PWM 4pin adapter from china (I actually order two just in case one is broken): https://www.ebay.de/itm/pc-Cooler-C...HQAAOSw4SxbTbPF With that cable I can connect the GPU fan to my motherboard and hopefully drive the fans without any bullshit piss rear end software/driver/$whatever loving with the fan speed. Until the moment that cable arrives, I'm again stuck with my GTX 970  So... don't get used to quiet GPU's, your life will be easier. I first started to replace GPU coolers with this bad boy, completely fanless cooler:  Since then I haven't had a moment of peace with stock GPU cooling solutions.
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Mar 17, 2019 08:00
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What was the first GPU to fully saturate and lose any performance on PCI-E 2.0?
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Mar 17, 2019 09:20
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16x? The 2080 Ti. If you mean technically ANY performance the 680 ran like 1% slower on 2 vs 3.
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Mar 17, 2019 09:29
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I am very happy that you've told me.
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Mar 17, 2019 09:48
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The difference is smaller than I remembered. For some reason I thought the 2080 Ti had a 8% difference between 3 and 2, but it's still only like 3%.https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_RTX_2080_Ti_PCI-Express_Scaling/6.html 16x V1=8X V2=4X V3
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Mar 17, 2019 09:59
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Taima posted:I'm surprisingly impressed by the RTX implementation in Exodus. I am serious when I am writing here that I “miss” RTX Features in The Division 2. It has nice graphics overall, but drat did Battlefield V and Metro spoil me with Reflections (BF V) and Ambient Occlusion+Global Illumination (Metro). The Division 2 would perfectly pair with immersive RTX stuff. RTX adds a visually enhanced experience that I will be missing in most games from now on that don’t offer RTX stuff 
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Mar 17, 2019 20:40
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Mr.PayDay posted:I am serious when I am writing here that I “miss” RTX Features in The Division 2. It has nice graphics overall, but drat did Battlefield V and Metro spoil me with Reflections (BF V) and Ambient Occlusion+Global Illumination (Metro). I have a 2080ti and also enjoy RTX stuff - I haven't played the new Division but I do think that they can do a lot of what you're perceiving as RTX stuff with other ways of spoofing ray tracing that they've already been doing for years. I think I just enjoy great lighting in games regardless of whether it's from RTX sources or not. I imagine level designers and lighting people in the industry are so used to making things look great without raytracing that it'll be 3-4 years before it peaks with RTX.
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Mar 17, 2019 21:27
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never learn how the non-raytracing approximations work, you'll see their flaws everywhere once you do 
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Mar 17, 2019 21:29
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craig588 posted:https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_RTX_2080_Ti_PCI-Express_Scaling/6.html Unfortunately, not a great article. Game engines just aren't written to transfer a lot of data over PCIe normally. The key word is "normally," though. The statistic you want to compare to see if PCIe speeds are acceptable is min FPS or 99th percentile, or similar good data about frame times. Any article about graphics cards and PCIe that only reports average FPS is just garbage. You went through all that trouble and ignored the most interesting statistics! That said, iirc, PCIe 2.0 x16 (equivalent to PCIe 3.0 x8) are generally regarded as "fine, usually." I forget where to find an actually good benchmark of this, however.
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Mar 17, 2019 22:07
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Ihmemies posted:Anyways. Now I have the same fan problem as with card#1's stock fans. The fans work fine until GPU core rises past 1350MHz and then the fan starts to run up and down allll the time. At this point I am extremely fed up with this poo poo and I order a loving GPU 4pin->motherboard PWM 4pin adapter from china (I actually order two just in case one is broken): https://www.ebay.de/itm/pc-Cooler-C...HQAAOSw4SxbTbPF What if you just kept the stock heatsink but remove the fan/shroud and zip tie one or two 140mm ultra quiet noctua fans on it? You can even restore the original lovely stock fan setup when you resell it. coke fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Mar 18, 2019 |
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Mar 18, 2019 05:18
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coke posted:What if you just kept the stock heatsink but remove the fan/shroud and zip tie one or two 140mm ultra quiet noctua fans on it? I can only guess but I assume the heatsink is the worse part of the stock cooler. It looks/feels more like a restrictive heat box where air can't flow through and heat can't escape.. https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_RTX_2060_Gaming_Pro_OC/4.html In comparison Accelero is a very sparse design where air can freely move. Or maybe Palit/Gainward just uses bad TIM?  Whatever the reason, I've always had noticeably better experience with the Accelero cooler than any stock GPU cooler I've ever used. This cheap RTX 2060 already became very expensive. 50€ for aftermarket cooler, 15€ for VRM & memory heatsinks, some tools like drills, file, new sawblade for metal saw etc... now the fan adapter cable. I could have saved 25€ by buying the twin turbo ii model which includes heatsinks, but I didn't realize they still sell it: https://www.amazon.de/Arctic-Accele...=gateway&sr=8-3 The backplate heatsink in twin turbo iii is so big it doesn't fit between my GPU and CPU heatsink.
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Mar 18, 2019 10:46
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Adding normal fans to a GPU only really makes sense if you already have them. They might cost 30 dollars, you need to come up with your own mounting (Which can be easy but still isn't free) and probably perform 90% as well as a 3rd party cooler. Or 50 dollars for a 3rd party cooler that will just work. I have a Noctuaed 1080 and am completely satisfied with it but only went that route because I already had the original fans from my D15.
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Mar 18, 2019 13:17
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Is MSI the only manufacturer who offers cards with idle fans <60°C? There was a Gainward 2080 Triple Fan on sale that I almost picked up, but after a quick check it turned out that keeping the fans off is not a common feature. I thought it was.
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Mar 18, 2019 13:22
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I had a Asus 980 that turned off the fans at idle. I disabled it in the bios because running at sub 30C at levels I couldn't hear made me happier.
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Mar 18, 2019 13:26
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It's a feature on most cards 1000 series and after.
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Mar 18, 2019 13:37
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mcbexx posted:Is MSI the only manufacturer who offers cards with idle fans <60°C? There was a Gainward 2080 Triple Fan on sale that I almost picked up, but after a quick check it turned out that keeping the fans off is not a common feature. I thought it was. It's a common feature but only for higher tier SKUs (MSI Gaming, IIRC the Armor does it too nowadays, Asus Strix, Gigabyte Gaming etc.). The "budget" cards with weaker coolers frequently keep the fans running. craig588 posted:I had a Asus 980 that turned off the fans at idle. I disabled it in the bios because running at sub 30C at levels I couldn't hear made me happier. As opposed to 35°C and you can't hear them even in an open case? 
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Mar 18, 2019 13:42
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Yeah that would have been good, but the card ran at about 50C when they were stopped in my case and it made no sense to me to run it warm for no benefit.
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Mar 18, 2019 13:48
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Would it be dumb to buy a used GTX 1070 from ebay for ~$250 this week? GTX 1660 Ti is similarly priced new and close in terms of performance but I mostly only play Xplane which apparently appreciates the extra 2gb of ram on the 1070. Xplane seems to perform better on nvidia cards for whatever reason or I'd also be looking for a Vega 56. I have a 4690k with 24gb of DDR3 and an R9 270 2gb currently..
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Mar 18, 2019 16:50
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Mr.PayDay posted:I am serious when I am writing here that I “miss” RTX Features in The Division 2. It has nice graphics overall, but drat did Battlefield V and Metro spoil me with Reflections (BF V) and Ambient Occlusion+Global Illumination (Metro).  Division 2 with RTX Shadows + GI would probably cause my eyes to explode.
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Mar 18, 2019 18:14
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9900k @ 5GHZ and 2080ti XC Ultra with +145 on the clock, getting around 80-120fps with all the settings maxed depending on indoor/outdoor. I don't know really how RTX would go, I'd probably have like 60fps?
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Mar 18, 2019 19:06
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Leather Father has a keynote at GTC today at 2pm. Its a deeplearning/AI conference, so expect lots of that talk. Considering Intel/Facebook went hard this week with Nervana products and the OAM form factor targeted right at Nvidia's SXM market domination, might be interesting.
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Mar 18, 2019 19:47
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sanchez posted:Would it be dumb to buy a used GTX 1070 from ebay for ~$250 this week? GTX 1660 Ti is similarly priced new and close in terms of performance but I mostly only play Xplane which apparently appreciates the extra 2gb of ram on the 1070. Xplane seems to perform better on nvidia cards for whatever reason or I'd also be looking for a Vega 56. I have a 4690k with 24gb of DDR3 and an R9 270 2gb currently.. If you aren't in a rush, I picked up a 1070 on eBay for $200 a couple weeks ago so the deals are out there.
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Mar 18, 2019 21:13
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Microsoft standardizes variable-rate shading as a part of DirectX 12 Another one of those ideas where you kind of look at it and wonder, ".....why the gently caress didn't we get this sooner?"
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Mar 18, 2019 22:13
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VRS is cool, most of the coverage is focusing on the ability to undersample tiles for better performance but it can actually supersample individual tiles as well. That could probably be used to fix up the difficult cases where TAA doesn't work well by brute force supersampling a small number of tiles each frame, similar to the ATAA idea but without the need for raytracing. Maybe even do some pseudo-foveated rendering in an FPS by supersampling the area around the crosshair where you're usually focused. repiv fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Mar 18, 2019 |
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Mar 18, 2019 22:32
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Nvidia is going to enable their compute-based DXR path on Pascal and Turing GTX soon: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/geforce-gtx-ray-tracing-coming-soon/ I don't know what the use-cases would be though, it's probably too slow to run any of the DXR stuff we've seen so far at usable speeds. There's some new RTRT demos too. Unity showed their implementation for the first time  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG7DDXwYpD0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kic-QDmS_Yw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2WOjo0C-xE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncv5Oe5q5zs repiv fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Mar 18, 2019 |
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Mar 18, 2019 23:06
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I think one thing for sure is the current style of rendering for everything pre RTX tech, was still needing the raw horsepower to push 1440P/4K and now that we are close enough, give or take, now we can start using some either dedicated hardware, or just left over resources in current hardware to do some Ray Tracing things. If we added it earlier, even with optimizations, would it have been possible to render at even 1080P? Of course there are a ton of variables to consider, but it would make an interesting research paper after this tech comes out and seeing the performance penalty of doing even super optimized ray tracing with RTX hardware vs anything prior. Overall, RTX Tensor cores or not, Nvidia did kind of kick off the next level of rendering tech, feels like the Geforce 3 days all over again in some ways. Oh and Want some Actual Quake II RTX? EdEddnEddy fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Mar 18, 2019 |
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Mar 18, 2019 23:22
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I'd be very interested in seeing if my GTX 1080 can push Quake II RTX, even if it's nothing more than a tech demo
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Mar 19, 2019 00:52
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I tried Q2VKPT on my 1070 when they (accidentally?) enabled Vulkan raytracing on Pascal in the Linux driver, and it ran at about 13fps at 1080p  Who knows if Q2RTX will run better or worse.
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Mar 19, 2019 00:56
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Microsoft standardizes variable-rate shading as a part of DirectX 12 Caller ID and *69 always existed, the phone companies just didn't have the incentive to give the common person access to them until people started asking why they didn't have them. Also, I've a feeling MS is trying to add poo poo to DirectX to give their next console more marketing buzzwords.
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On the contrary, I think these features improve a lowest common denominator GPU by reducing the amount of work it needs to do, so that it can focus resources where they need to go. I mean, yeah, there's nothing stopping them from ALSO using it as marketing, but it still helps. We'll see in August.
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