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Zudgemud posted:Actually, the very fact that this was written down as graffiti suggests that the raping of slaves was in some form a controversial topic at that time. Because rarely does one write graffiti about topics on which the vast amount of society agrees upon, for example, writing "eating the flesh of your children is bad" as graffiti would probably not occur unless after great famines or something where that topic could have been brought up in public discourse. Doesn't apply to slaves (for the most part) but: There's also this that in a pre-modern world, a criminal might get away without punishment for a deed like rape, but there's also a distinct thing where it's just as likely that someone taking revenge over it would get away. "Being murdered by the relatives of the victim" is a far greater deterrent in the pre-modern world than people usually think. Especially since not even nobles are 100% immune to it.
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Zudgemud posted:Actually, the very fact that this was written down as graffiti suggests that the raping of slaves was in some form a controversial topic at that time. Because rarely does one write graffiti about topics on which the vast amount of society agrees upon, for example, writing "eating the flesh of your children is bad" as graffiti would probably not occur unless after great famines or something where that topic could have been brought up in public discourse. Then again "I love to poo poo!"-type graffiti isn't exactly a controversial statement either but some Romans felt the need to put this thought into letters.
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Grevling posted:Then again "I love to poo poo!"-type graffiti isn't exactly a controversial statement either but some Romans felt the need to put this thought into letters. on april 19th, i made bread
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Grevling posted:Then again "I love to poo poo!"-type graffiti isn't exactly a controversial statement either but some Romans felt the need to put this thought into letters. Roman graffiti always struck me as proto-twitter more than anything. People putting their dumb ideas into the aether so that the whole world can know what they're thinking of. Mister Olympus posted:on april 19th, i made bread 419 bake bread all day erry day
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Mar 18, 2019 09:59
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"One who buggers a fire burns his penis" is sage advice for the ages though.
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Whorelord posted:"One who buggers a fire burns his penis" is sage advice for the ages though. What do you got against red heads?
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Mar 18, 2019 14:06
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Something that's not flammable.
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Mar 18, 2019 14:09
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Don Gato posted:
Do we know what substances the romans and friends had besides alcohol? I think I’ve seen sarmatians listed as weed smokers but iirc that’s mostly from “weed cures cancer man” sources so grain of salt.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Do we know what substances the romans and friends had besides alcohol? They had opium, but I don't know if there's evidence of recreational use. Plenty of evidence of medical use, and it had a religious function.
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Mar 18, 2019 14:49
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Do we know what substances the romans and friends had besides alcohol? Didn't Herodotus say that the Scythians smoke weed?
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Herodotus says Scythians would, as a post-funeral rite, toast cannabis seeds in a fire inside a tent and “howl in their joy” about it. And there’s evidence from burials that some folks were buried with hemp seed in about that place and time. I don’t think Romans ever smoked anything though. Smoking in the modern sense appears to have been an American (Indian) invention.
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King of False Promises posted:https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/mar/17/nile-shipwreck-herodotus-archaeologists-thonis-heraclion
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Yeah I know a little more than average about early ship construction but they didn’t explain a lot or have a drawing to show the difference.
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I've never actually read Herodotus but my understanding is that his thing is that he never made anything up, but also if someone told him "I know a guy who knows a guy who says a thing" he would write it down
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:He was right, but what is so special about the ship/construction? The article assumes you know a lot more than I do, I feel like? it's very alien
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Elyv posted:I've never actually read Herodotus but my understanding is that his thing is that he never made anything up, but also if someone told him "I know a guy who knows a guy who says a thing" he would write it down Pretty much, and gently caress, tis good he did since even folktales and rumors help us learn about history, so in the end it kinda worked out
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Elyv posted:I've never actually read Herodotus but my understanding is that his thing is that he never made anything up, but also if someone told him "I know a guy who knows a guy who says a thing" he would write it down Unfortunately we don't know what stories he left out though... like Suentonis is clearly a guy who would write down any old story he heard.
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Elyv posted:I've never actually read Herodotus but my understanding is that his thing is that he never made anything up, but also if someone told him "I know a guy who knows a guy who says a thing" he would write it down Yeah, pretty much. Still, he also wrote down whether it was something he'd seen himself, something he'd been told by a witness, just some rumor he heard, etc. There's a reason he's called the Father of History and a large part of it is that he was the first guy to really attempt systemic accuracy. The telling thing is that every other year or so I see a news story titled "Herodotus proven right about [new thing]" and I never seem to see any where he was proven wrong. Even the gold-seeking ants turn out to have had a real source. quote:In Histories (Book 3, passages 102 to 105) Herodotus reports that a species of fox-sized, furry "ants" lives in one of the far eastern, Indian provinces of the Persian Empire. This region, he reports, is a sandy desert, and the sand there contains a wealth of fine gold dust. These giant ants, according to Herodotus, would often unearth the gold dust when digging their mounds and tunnels, and the people living in this province would then collect the precious dust. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold-digging_ant
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The ant thing never fails to bring a smile to my face
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:He was right, but what is so special about the ship/construction? The article assumes you know a lot more than I do, I feel like? It's been a while since my Herodotus course that was particularly focused on navies, but I believe the difference is that ships of this time were generally constructed using mortise and tenon joints between the planks making up the hull, whereas baris ships used long ribs that were attached to the planks of the hull with pegs.
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You have to thank Herodotus simply for writing as much as he did. Like, I don't think we have any sources that even mention the various goings-on regarding the Ionian Revolt, whereas Herodotus politely lays down some general information so that we don't just have a gaping hole in history.
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King of False Promises posted:It's been a while since my Herodotus course that was particularly focused on navies, but I believe the difference is that ships of this time were generally constructed using mortise and tenon joints between the planks making up the hull, whereas baris ships used long ribs that were attached to the planks of the hull with pegs. This article here has a bit more details: https://www.sciencealert.com/a-stun...impression=true
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skasion posted:Herodotus says Scythians would, as a post-funeral rite, toast cannabis seeds in a fire inside a tent and “howl in their joy” about it. And there’s evidence from burials that some folks were buried with hemp seed in about that place and time. I don’t think Romans ever smoked anything though. Smoking in the modern sense appears to have been an American (Indian) invention. the Romans sure loved that abortion plant though
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You're right, maybe it's good that the romans didn't like weed.
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skasion posted:Herodotus says Scythians would, as a post-funeral rite, toast cannabis seeds in a fire inside a tent and “howl in their joy” about it. And there’s evidence from burials that some folks were buried with hemp seed in about that place and time. I don’t think Romans ever smoked anything though. Smoking in the modern sense appears to have been an American (Indian) invention.
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The Romans knew about opium. It only is recorded as medicine but obviously people must have been just getting high with it. I would imagine magic mushrooms were being used too, at least in religious ritual and also likely "religious" "ritual".
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I vaguely remember records about a fish that would get you high.
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Weren't the oracles at Delphi just huffing sulfur, too?
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Telsa Cola posted:I vaguely remember records about a fish that would get you high.
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FuturePastNow posted:Weren't the oracles at Delphi just huffing sulfur, too? IIRC, hydrocarbons (natural gas), which does get you high and then kills you. e: source: Delphic Oracle's Lips May Have Been Loosened by Gas Vapors Zopotantor fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Mar 20, 2019 |
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round the Decay / of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare / the lonely, level pastries stretch far away https://twitter.com/Mar_Musa/status/1108174860839202817
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King of False Promises posted:It's been a while since my Herodotus course that was particularly focused on navies, but I believe the difference is that ships of this time were generally constructed using mortise and tenon joints between the planks making up the hull, whereas baris ships used long ribs that were attached to the planks of the hull with pegs. I know it's been a few pages since the Nero reconstructed face, but your avatar reminded me of this image I ran into recently. An artist painted over this bust of Caracalla with their idea of what the colors would have looked like. 
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https://twitter.com/PersianRose1/status/881330662321655808
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Please don't doxx me.
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How did they find a pic of me during the Honolulu missile warning incident
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HEY GUNS posted:round the Decay / of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare / the lonely, level pastries stretch far away Reminds me of the "cookie" christmas ornaments my mom made in 1987 and still hangs up every year.
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HEY GUNS posted:round the Decay / of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare / the lonely, level pastries stretch far away "...Two vast and trunkless legs of scone Stand in the dessert..." Grumio fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Mar 22, 2019 |
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"My name is Ozymandias, chef of chefs; Look upon my works, Þe cannoli and eclair!" Huh. I never knew that there was another poem by his buddy Horace Smith.
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Fuschia tude posted:I know it's been a few pages since the Nero reconstructed face, but your avatar reminded me of this image I ran into recently. An artist painted over this bust of Caracalla with their idea of what the colors would have looked like. A surprisingly modern neckbeard.
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Fuschia tude posted:I know it's been a few pages since the Nero reconstructed face, but your avatar reminded me of this image I ran into recently. An artist painted over this bust of Caracalla with their idea of what the colors would have looked like. The same artist who did the Nero sculpture did a few others, too. Here's Caesar:
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