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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:surely this would be if they selected a sinn fein MP? Nah in that case the Paras just take off the blindfold and they're sitting in the Speaker's chair E: Goddamnit really? AD 216: Emperor Caracalla tricks the Parthians by accepting a marriage proposal. He slaughters his bride and the wedding guests after the celebrations. Obliterati fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Mar 18, 2019 |
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Heners_UK posted:I should be noted that Nigel loving Farage ran against Bercow for speaker and received around 19% of the vote. It shouldn't be noted because it didn't happen.
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I think we're past the point where major parties can just disappear. A major party like the Tories or the Republicans in the US have entrenched partisan support and a large media operation that will keep voters turning out for them no matter what.
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namesake posted:It shouldn't be noted because it didn't happen. I was about to say, Farage has never been an MP. He's won less votes in all his attempts at general elections combined than Diane Abbott's majority in 2017.
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Obliterati posted:Nah in that case the Paras just take off the blindfold and they're sitting in the Speaker's chair bobby sands for next speaker.
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mehall posted:I was about to say, Farage has never been an MP. He's won less votes in all his attempts at general elections combined than Diane Abbott's majority in 2017. I think Farage ran against Bercow in the general election and might have gotten 19% of the vote there.
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Sulphagnist posted:I think Farage ran against Bercow in the general election and might have gotten 19% of the vote there. this is less impressive when you remember labour and the tories have an agreement to not run in the speakers constituency
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Sulphagnist posted:I think Farage ran against Bercow in the general election and might have gotten 19% of the vote there. If he did that's not representative, as by convention no major party will contest the Speaker's seat
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Mar 18, 2019 18:22
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Darth Walrus posted:There's only so much the media can do to cover up 'holy poo poo where did all my food go'? Journalists might remain reluctant to call the ERG out, but the mob outside their windows with torches and pitchforks may not share their qualms on the matter. They've spent 8 years ignoring people literally dying on the streets because of Tory policy, what makes you think this will be any different?
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Mar 18, 2019 18:23
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Jedit posted:But if they lead us into No Deal Brexit simply because they can't govern they'll be gone for a generation. Nah they'll just get their right wing press buddies to blame it all on europe
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lmfao https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1107694889670709248
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goddamnedtwisto posted:They've spent 8 years ignoring people literally dying on the streets because of Tory policy, what makes you think this will be any different? That's just business as usual, when the thief party starts inconveniencing the middle classes that'd be enough to turn at least some of the press. (e; Turn Press is a 3rd level Cleric spell)
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Jedit posted:If the Tories revoke A50 they will lose the next election, but if they lead us into No Deal Brexit simply because they can't govern they'll be gone for a generation. Got it, I'll get ready to hear "it's what we intended all along, look at us in control" Lots of you posted:Bercow vs. Farage was a General Election Well look at that, I was wrong, here are the 2009 Speaker Election results and here is the paragraph from Bercow's wikipedia page regarding the 2010 General election I was misremembering. I was wrong but no big deal I'll just change my statements moving forward to reflect what I now know... DID YOU SEE HOW loving EASY THAT WAS MRS. MAY? e: Fixed this Rooted Vegetable fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Mar 18, 2019 |
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Mar 18, 2019 18:28
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Glad that Britain basically exists to amuse the rest of the world by how feeble our government is
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goddamnedtwisto posted:They've spent 8 years ignoring people literally dying on the streets because of Tory policy, what makes you think this will be any different? Because it will affect them.
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Will no one rid us of turbulent government? ...maybe Bercow?
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https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1107680877365133313 e: lol https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46225696/rory-stewart-apologises-after-making-up-brexit-stat the fuckin brass neck on this oval office
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https://twitter.com/SamuelStolton/status/1107672086888226816 Same, same
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Sulphagnist posted:I think we're past the point where major parties can just disappear. A major party like the Tories or the Republicans in the US have entrenched partisan support and a large media operation that will keep voters turning out for them no matter what. I mean people said the same things about all the european centre left parties that have disappeared recently, it's called pasokification if you want to look it up
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brian posted:I mean people said the same things about all the european centre left parties that have disappeared recently, it's called pasokification if you want to look it up What European centre-left parties have recently disappeared? (not saying they haven't, just curious)
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Gort posted:What European centre-left parties have recently disappeared? (not saying they haven't, just curious) New Labour
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Mar 18, 2019 18:38
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Gort posted:What European centre-left parties have recently disappeared? (not saying they haven't, just curious) pasok, the loving french socialist party, SPD is making ominous creaking noises, i guess that the PSOE is still alive after podemos went and hosed up their offensive, the Italian socdems are basically buried
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Mar 18, 2019 18:41
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Gort posted:What European centre-left parties have recently disappeared? (not saying they haven't, just curious) PASOK in Greece, and the Socialists in France are the two major ones, and you also have Italy. Then in Germany and Spain the traditional centre left party have collapsed to under 20% in latest polling.
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jeremy corbyn makes more sense in that he's an attempt at reinventing a centre-left party rather than succombing to the death knell that seems to have been called over that group of parties in recent years. curiously the financial crisis seems to have been much worse for the establishment left than the establishment right
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V. Illych L. posted:jeremy corbyn makes more sense in that he's an attempt at reinventing a centre-left party rather than succombing to the death knell that seems to have been called over that group of parties in recent years. curiously the financial crisis seems to have been much worse for the establishment left than the establishment right Its because the right doubled down on racism OP
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also during the last twenty years the scandinavian social-democratic parties have been steadily bleeding talent and votes, to the point where i'd say that scandi-style social democracy is Actually Dead as a political project, leaving their parties pretty rudderless. the centre-left is in a really precarious position all told
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V. Illych L. posted:curiously the financial crisis seems to have been much worse for the establishment left than the establishment right Part of this is down to the media machine denouncing Keynesian lines of thought and instead pressing welfare spending as some kind of irresponsible luxury that governments splashed out on in the 90s. It forms a consensus among the public that Labour wants to, as Cameron often said, "max out the nation's credit card". "We're all in this together" carefully reaches the population by having us identify ourselves as responsible spenders and that is then a backdoor to insert the idea that Labour are not. It's an insidious narrative that requires no questioning of the financial sector's malpractice nor places the social responsibility of protecting the most vulnerable in society on anyone. Instead we're all just responsible spenders: keep working, keep spending, make ends meet. OBEY. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Mar 18, 2019 |
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dont worry greece still has *strugglin to stifle laughter* syriza
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Holy gently caress the number of people who don't understand the difference betwen 'the privy council' and 'the government' is ridiculous. Not least the people who have this weird idea that the queen always agrees with everything her PM ever says, which is so not the case she's caused 2-3 of them to resign. But the key part is that it's behind the scenes, never exposed, and privy council meetings would make the CIA jealous for how little gets leaked out of them. But ohh no, If May wants parliament prorogued, the queen has to automatically do it. Let's just ignore all the legislation that suddenly stops, and having to vote for a queen's speech that would include May's deal and be voted down for the most humiliating defeat of a government in the modern era (again...wait, again and again).
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the weirdest part of pasokification is the disappearance of the biggest thorn in the side of the center-left prior to the GFC, namely Europe hard Euroskepticism on the left has suddenly exited stage, uh, left the wave of politicization over European integration suddenly took an odd turn on the way to the forum, which speaks to the flexibility of the new parties, if nothing else
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Labour in Ireland are doing really poorly. They were never strong enough to govern on their own and always (except once) worked with FG in coalition. They pulled a Lib Dems and allowed and encouraged a lot of austerity (Labour Minister of Education immediately sought to cut funding for schools in poorer areas/that took in students who wouldn't normally finish schooling) They went from their best result in 2011 of 37 seats to their worst ever result with only 7. Polling has them within margin of error of their last electoral results. Most centre-left leaning voters seem to have gone to Sinn Fein, the centerists likely went to FG, and any left wing people probably went to PBP/Solidarity
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CoolCab posted:i have no idea what's happening but it seems pretty funny. https://twitter.com/isamyelyah/status/1107680615908950017
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LOL scumbags 12 Shoah survivors pen open letter: ‘Corbyn’s bent over backwards to help Jews’ Dozen say they 'do not believe any prejudice against Jews is being perpetrated' by the opposition party shares A dozen British Holocaust survivors have published an open letter in The Sunday Times arguing that Jeremy Corbyn has “bent over backwards to help Jews”. The letter was prompted by the recent announcement from the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) that it would investigate the Labour Party’s approach to antisemitism. The signatories, many of whom are Orthodox Jews, say they “do not believe that any prejudice against or hostility towards Jews is being perpetrated by Labour,” adding: “If any exists within the Party, it is minimal and no more prevalent than in any other political party.” Among those who signed the letter were Hungary-born Avigdor Langberg, who later founded Kay’s Supermarket and Deli on Golders Green Road, and Czech-born Leah Stern, who was liberated from Bergen-Belsen by the British after having also survived Auschwitz-Birkenau. Defending the Party’s leader, they said “Jeremy Corbyn has in fact bent over backwards to help Jewish people” before chastising the Jewish communal leadership for having a political agenda. “Media attention on the Labour Party in general, and on Corbyn in particular, is being generated by anti-Labour and anti-Corbyn mischief makers, who unfortunately are over-represented within the so-called Anglo-Jewish leadership, a leadership whose legitimacy is not recognised by mainstream Charedi Jews,” they wrote. “The real current threat to Jewish life in the UK is the anti-religious education policies being relentlessly pursued by [national schools inspectorate] Ofsted. “To our chagrin, they receive full backing and support from these so-called Anglo-Jewish leadership organisations, together with certain secularist groups, which display no compunction in discriminating against people with religious beliefs.” https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/12-shoah-survivors-pen-open-letter-corbyns-bent-over-backwards-to-help-jews/
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ronya posted:the weirdest part of pasokification is the disappearance of the biggest thorn in the side of the center-left prior to the GFC, namely Europe part of this is, i believe, the sudden onslaught of outright xenophobia as the driving force of anti-europe sentiment, which places the left in a really precarious situation. up here, the EEA is a huge loving issue for the unions and consequently for the broader left from Labour and the farmers' party through to the Reds. in e.g. france, it's obviously going to be different the bizarre thing is that the EU has itself taken a very nasty xenophobic turn since the refugee crisis, but this doesn't seem to have shifted anything in this regard
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Jedit posted:Because it will affect them. It'll mildly inconvenience them. The Government let >120k people die to avoid putting up the tax on the middle class, what makes you think they won't be throwing medicine out of the relief convoys to make sure olive oil on?
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V. Illych L. posted:also during the last twenty years the scandinavian social-democratic parties have been steadily bleeding talent and votes, to the point where i'd say that scandi-style social democracy is Actually Dead as a political project, leaving their parties pretty rudderless. the centre-left is in a really precarious position all told In Finland the Social Democrats are in an upsurge, having been in the opposition for the past 4 years. Election in a bit less than a month.
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