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Regarding Air vs Pro — the cameras are also worse and the screen is dimmer too (Pro had 600, Air is 500 cd/m)
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I love my iPad Mini 4, so I'm glad they made the new iPad Mini (2019). Doesn't feel like there's a reason for me to upgrade it at the moment though. Battery still feels great on mine and the only slowness I really run into is updating apps, which I suspect I can improve by freeing up some extra space (down to 10GB at the moment). edit: also I have some objections to the 4 selling with 128GB of storage as the only option for so long and this new one releasing with an entry-level 64GB at the same price.
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Mar 18, 2019 18:45
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How many price points/feature combinations are they trying to hit?
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Mar 18, 2019 18:47
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shortspecialbus posted:How many price points/feature combinations are they trying to hit? 3. Base iPad - basic screen, touch id, cheap Air and mini - better screens, still touch id, Pro-level power. Step up in price (small step for mini but not the old large leap to the Pros) Pro - best screens, faceid, most computer power possible in a tablet (and many laptops). Expensive.
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Mar 18, 2019 19:04
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eames posted:7.9-inch iPad mini I remember when shopping for Apple hardware was different from other companies because it didn't involve trying to decypher what the real tradeoffs were between a bunch of models that were only slightly different from each other.
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Mar 18, 2019 19:17
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Honestly - Android used to get bashed so much for being confusing on what to buy. I get that this basically splits in to 3 groups, but with older products still for sale and variances within the lines anyways, it's very un-apple compared to what I'd expect. I'm not trying to be inflammatory, btw - I like Android and iOS both.
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Mar 18, 2019 19:24
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shortspecialbus posted:Honestly - Android used to get bashed so much for being confusing on what to buy. This update has cut out the older products, but still leaves 5 different current generation iPads. Way too many.
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Mar 18, 2019 19:25
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Ok but how would you suggest they streamline it?
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Mar 18, 2019 19:34
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shortspecialbus posted:Honestly - Android used to get bashed so much for being confusing on what to buy. It's actually not that hard to figure out.
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Mar 18, 2019 19:46
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shortspecialbus posted:Honestly - Android used to get bashed so much for being confusing on what to buy. This is normal for Apple under Tim Cook. Apple won’t go below a certain price point, e.g. $999 for Mac laptops, roughly $499 for iPhones, but they’ll hit as wide a spread as possible above that. I think the iPads are fine. They’re segmented by price first, and then size. If you want to see a mess, go look at the entry-level Mac laptops. The 2019 Mini and Air also support the Logitech Crayon, introduced with the 2018 iPad.
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Mar 18, 2019 19:48
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The new Mini with Pencil support is going do so many sales to business it's basically a license to print money. Kinda like how the Mac Mini and Apple TV does gangbusters in business sales for kiosks and simple terminals.
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Mar 18, 2019 19:49
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My OG iPad Air (2013) that my son has been using now won't charge anymore, and the port isn't even encrustulated with schmutz! Got a reso at the Apple Store this afternoon, hope the fix is not spendy. I don't want to get a new ipad just now.
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Mar 18, 2019 19:56
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What the frigging hell is the difference between an A12X and A12 chip? I don't care terribly about the better screen or camera, but I'd like to know to what degree the Pro is more powerful than the Air and even the tech specs page doesn't have any actual details.
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Mar 18, 2019 21:42
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drat, not fixable. Debating trading in for the $80 or whatever towards a Pro now 
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Mar 18, 2019 21:43
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priznat posted:drat, not fixable. Debating trading in for the $80 or whatever towards a Pro now If price is a concern, just get the base iPad, it's good
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CapnAndy posted:What the frigging hell is the difference between an A12X and A12 chip? I don't care terribly about the better screen or camera, but I'd like to know to what degree the Pro is more powerful than the Air and even the tech specs page doesn't have any actual details. The A12X is an 8 core chip whereas the A12 is 6 cores.
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CapnAndy posted:What the frigging hell is the difference between an A12X and A12 chip? I don't care terribly about the better screen or camera, but I'd like to know to what degree the Pro is more powerful than the Air and even the tech specs page doesn't have any actual details. The A12X has two more high-power CPU cores, and three more GPU cores than the A12 (they both have four power-efficient CPU cores). The 1 TB 12.9" iPad Pro also has 2 GB more RAM. So it's not quite 50% faster. E: Geekbench multicore scores: iPad Pro 12.9" (A12X): 17940 iPhone XS (A12): 11268 ~37% faster at that benchmark. For single core, the A12X is a little faster, but that's probably more due to thermal throttling in the iPhone, which won't be as big a concern on an iPad. Endless Mike fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Mar 18, 2019 |
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Mar 18, 2019 21:48
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Endless Mike posted:The A12X has two more high-power CPU cores, and three more GPU cores than the A12 (they both have four power-efficient CPU cores). The 1 TB 12.9" iPad Pro also has 2 GB more RAM.
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Mar 18, 2019 21:57
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geekbench confirms 3GB RAM for one of the new iPads, it's likely that both Air and mini have this configuration https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/12452488
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eames posted:geekbench confirms 3GB RAM for one of the new iPads, it's likely that both Air and mini have this configuration drat... and my pro doesn’t get that.
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Mar 18, 2019 22:08
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MarcusSA posted:drat... and my pro doesn’t get that. It is concerning that Apple went with a lightning connector on a device that appears designed for a 5 year lifespan.
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Mar 18, 2019 22:14
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Twerk from Home posted:It is concerning that Apple went with a lightning connector on a device that appears designed for a 5 year lifespan.
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Twerk from Home posted:It is concerning that Apple went with a lightning connector on a device that appears designed for a 5 year lifespan. I'm feeling a bit wrong-footed today because my "saving up for an iPad Pro" fund may have suddenly become a "I already have enough money for an iPad Air and that's good enough" fund, so any differences between the two have my interest.
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Duckman2008 posted:I know it has 64GB vs 32GB, but it’s crazy that the Mini is still priced higher than the 9.7” iPad. Mostly because consumers for the most part think smaller screen should be cheaper. For the same reason Apple updated it when there was so much suspicion that they would just cancel it since it appeared they hadn't given a poo poo about it in a long time. The Mini is extremely popular in the kiosk/bundled solution space where basically nothing is competing with it which consumers don't give a poo poo about it for the most part because of the small screen. An iPad Mini at twice the price is an absolute steal compared to anything close to it and it's ordered by the crate load by providers that sell it as part of solutions where the cost of the iPad is a rounding error. Three Olives fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Mar 19, 2019 |
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Three Olives posted:For the same reason Apple updated it when there was so much suspicion that they would just cancel it since it appeared they hadn't given a poo poo about it in a long time. Yeah a lot of restaurants use iPad minis to take orders and stuff. Every so often I’ll see an android tablet but its like 90% iPads at this point.
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Yeah they’re ubiquitous as POS devices around here. They’re also the one true size iPad if you want to read on them.
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The Air feels like what you’d expect from a new iPad prior 2017. The 5th and 6th gens are fine, but very much seem like budget iPads given the iterative designs and some corner cutting to keep costs down. So now you have the budget iPad, small iPad, regular iPad, and luxury iPad. The naming scheme is awful though, not helped by reusing names. Should have refreshed the 6th gen model and called it the iPad Lite or R, and just call the new Air “iPad”.
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Three Olives posted:For the same reason Apple updated it when there was so much suspicion that they would just cancel it since it appeared they hadn't given a poo poo about it in a long time. Makes me wonder if part of the logic behind keeping the 9.7” around is that so many business and education-specific peripherals like Square cash registers and iPad classroom carts and special attachments for handicapped users are already designed to work with the old Air case. Not only is it a value proposition for those customers and a show of continuing support from apple but it also makes it less likely that they’d switch to something like chromebooks. Having a brand new iPad that still works with all your old iPads’ poo poo means that schools can do stuff like stagger their upgrades and incorporate new + old equipment or reorder a fleet of iPads because they can reuse the charging bases. Pants Donkey posted:The Air feels like what you’d expect from a new iPad prior 2017. The 5th and 6th gens are fine, but very much seem like budget iPads given the iterative designs and some corner cutting to keep costs down. So now you have the budget iPad, small iPad, regular iPad, and luxury iPad. iPad 9.7 = ePad
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CapnAndy posted:Why? People seem to think Apple is abandoning Lightning across the line sooner rather than later now that USB-C is mostly mature and the iPad Pros got it, but I'm not really that confident it's happening, especially if they launched new iPads with it.
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Mar 19, 2019 13:48
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Three Olives posted:For the same reason Apple updated it when there was so much suspicion that they would just cancel it since it appeared they hadn't given a poo poo about it in a long time. A very good point.
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I think the new 10.5 Air will be my go-to as a replacement once Apple finally drops support for the Air 2.
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the ipad air 2 was/is amazing
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I bought an Air2 when it was new and that was a pretty good buy. I have an Air1 secondhand and it's aged nowhere near as well.
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~Coxy posted:I bought an Air2 when it was new and that was a pretty good buy. The difference being NVME vs eMMC
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ratbert90 posted:The difference being NVME vs eMMC With the iPad mini being updated the only things left with the A8 are the iPod touch and non 4K Apple TV. Former is rumored to be updated, latter could be due to be killed off or replaced at the media event coming up. I’m guessing A8 support might not have too much life left.
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Mar 20, 2019 07:49
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I traded my Air 1 to Apple for an iPad (2018). It was a good trade.
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Mar 20, 2019 13:46
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My Air1 is still going strong. It's plenty for the light duty I give it.
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Mine stays in the kitchen to stream music to a BT speaker. It’s almost painful to use outside of the Music app it’s so slow. Good thing it’s in the kitchen so if you have to open Settings you can make a sandwich while you wait for it to become responsive!  On the other hand unsurprisingly if you use an iPad just to stream music, the battery lasts a looooong time.
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WithoutTheFezOn posted:It’s almost painful to use outside of the Music app it’s so slow. Good thing it’s in the kitchen so if you have to open Settings you can make a sandwich while you wait for it to become responsive! Is something wrong with it? Mine's still mostly snappy outside of starting larger apps, and Settings opens more ore less instantly. Or did I miss  ?
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No joke. Settings paints the screen instantly but it’s not responsive for many seconds. Could be something wrong with it, wouldn’t surprise me, but I’ve done plenty of resets and “set up as new” and stuff and  it works well enough as a music streamer. And it launches Paprika. Don’t need it for more than that.
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