Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
vivisectvnv
Aug 5, 2003
we are pretty happy with our BioTek reader, plus they are pretty nice about you trying filter sets before committing to buying one

we have one from like maybe 2009? temp control is pretty standard for all their models, not sure about polarization measurements though, we just do abs/fluorescence intensity measurements

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Dance Officer
May 4, 2017

It would be awesome if we could dance!
So, my boss wants to turn his business of providing chemical analysis of wines, beers and juices from a hobby gone way out of hand into a legitimate business.

I'm assuming we're gonna need to get iso 17025 accredited, but I've absolutely no experience with this.

Do you folks have experience with getting accredited, and do you have any recommendations on how to go about getting it?

I'm EU, by the way.

Dance Officer fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Mar 20, 2019

Epitope
Nov 27, 2006

Grimey Drawer

Dance Officer posted:

So, my boss wants to turn his business of providing chemical analysis of wines, beers and juices from a hobby gone way out of hand into a legitimate business.

I'm assuming we're gonna need to get iso 17025 accredited, but I've absolutely no experience with this.

Do you folks have experience with getting accredited, and do you have any recommendations on how to go about getting it?

I'm EU, by the way.

I've gone through something pretty similar. Are you still the only employee? Willing to hire/contract to get this done? Is the owner motivated to get the accreditation done? If he's not committed that's gonna make it pretty hard for you

I'm in the US, and far from an expert, but here's my thoughts. I'm not sure about how your accreditation body(ies) is organized. First step is to find out who is accrediting you. See if they have any education programs you could take advantage of. Once you've done some work on getting your systems in place, it might be worth getting a gap assesment. Our AB offered that, not sure if the eu one will, or if theres 3rd party auditors you could use.

Not sure how helpful my thoughts are, but happy to talk more if you want sa.epitope@gmail.com Post here if you email me, I never check that one

Dance Officer
May 4, 2017

It would be awesome if we could dance!
Thanks, I just sent an email your way.

Shrieking Muppet
Jul 16, 2006
I almost posted this on the corporate thread but figured this would be better here.

After our recent FDA audit QA mandated some policy changes.

One was a moronic change to our empower policy so we no longer sign off on sample sets when we fail system suit just the injections needed to show the failure. Then someone locks the channels. If you accedently process a sample set that failed system suit you get hit with a analytical deviation.

The other is a new poorly written sop that generates more paperwork.
-system suit failures go in a new system suit logbook
-if you fail twice you have to meet with you supervisor to discuss a plan of action
-if you fail again take the instrument out of service.
-the log book will be reviewed by QA monthly

So from this I have gathered

-our KF analysis are hosed since some days the KF just sucks. My boss is a chromatographer and nothin else (legit only has a associates in chem) so she has no clue about the KF as well.
-QA will find a new way to demand a 5 whys analysis to a system failure
-QA has a new Quality Event to ding you for in addition to OOS, OOT and Deviations.
- since our methods are garbage I will spend my day writing more paperwork

If anyone has questions I'll be huffing either out of the solvent cabinet to cope.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Shrieking Muppet posted:

I almost posted this on the corporate thread but figured this would be better here.

After our recent FDA audit QA mandated some policy changes.

One was a moronic change to our empower policy so we no longer sign off on sample sets when we fail system suit just the injections needed to show the failure. Then someone locks the channels. If you accedently process a sample set that failed system suit you get hit with a analytical deviation.

The other is a new poorly written sop that generates more paperwork.
-system suit failures go in a new system suit logbook
-if you fail twice you have to meet with you supervisor to discuss a plan of action
-if you fail again take the instrument out of service.
-the log book will be reviewed by QA monthly

So from this I have gathered

-our KF analysis are hosed since some days the KF just sucks. My boss is a chromatographer and nothin else (legit only has a associates in chem) so she has no clue about the KF as well.
-QA will find a new way to demand a 5 whys analysis to a system failure
-QA has a new Quality Event to ding you for in addition to OOS, OOT and Deviations.
- since our methods are garbage I will spend my day writing more paperwork

If anyone has questions I'll be huffing either out of the solvent cabinet to cope.

You're in analytical chemistry hell. Unless you want your job to be dealing with this bullshit, find a new job.

Shrieking Muppet
Jul 16, 2006

Dik Hz posted:

You're in analytical chemistry hell. Unless you want your job to be dealing with this bullshit, find a new job.

Have an interview next week if they up the money I might take it

ascii genitals
Aug 19, 2000



On the other side, I work trying to convince software engineers to create a bare minimum feature set for compliance on GCMS.

I'm trying, and I'm so so sorry.

Kinetica
Aug 16, 2011

Dance Officer posted:

So, my boss wants to turn his business of providing chemical analysis of wines, beers and juices from a hobby gone way out of hand into a legitimate business.

I'm assuming we're gonna need to get iso 17025 accredited, but I've absolutely no experience with this.

Do you folks have experience with getting accredited, and do you have any recommendations on how to go about getting it?

I'm EU, by the way.

You are in for some fuuuuuuuun times.


We did it three years ago, some of it is useful, the other is misery for the sake of misery. The first year is definitely the worst. If you have any say in what goes for the primary quality manual, push for getting a template. They sell them online, and while you still have to do quite a bit, it at least gives a very solid framework to build off of. If you’re smaller sized like we are, I highly recommend going this route.

ISO:17025 also accredits to specific test methods. There’s a general quality manual and then to the test method itself. ISO gets you into an entirely different class of clients as well- we list out we are ISO:17025 and that we are accredited for X methods, and the majority of the time we’ve been told that it’s just the cert that their internal department cares about.

Keep in mind that they just changed the version (last year I think) so a lot of people are in the middle of switching over because they redesigned it (mostly for the worst, although there are a few actual improvements). It’s gonna be pure chaos for the next year as everyone switches to the new system. Luckily you won’t have to deal with the switch; it’s incredibly irritating to finally get everything running smoothly then find out you get to switch over.

Overall it’s a good business move, but the transition blows.

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

U like it

Johnny Truant posted:

Changed my mind, beta-mercaptoethanol is the foulest smelling thing on this goddamn planet, holy poo poo.


TEMED is worse IMO

Development
Jun 2, 2016

i change my answer, the lab lunch fridge is the foulest thing right now

it's like stinky cheese, stinky tofu, month old free seminar food and durian in there right now

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




Kommienzuspadt posted:

TEMED is worse IMO

Development posted:

i change my answer, the lab lunch fridge is the foulest thing right now

it's like stinky cheese, stinky tofu, month old free seminar food and durian in there right now

Somebody microwaved fish in the microwave that is 20 feet from my office door :killing:

In other news, I hate upright freezer racks, I hate companies that sell them, I hate companies that make them. Hell I hate companies that even think about them. Hate, hate, hate. :suicide:

Dance Officer
May 4, 2017

It would be awesome if we could dance!
Can the noise from an ultrasonic bath in some way be contained so that less than half the entire building gets bothered by the sound?

Shrieking Muppet
Jul 16, 2006

Dance Officer posted:

Can the noise from an ultrasonic bath in some way be contained so that less than half the entire building gets bothered by the sound?

No the shrill sound must torment all souls

vivisectvnv
Aug 5, 2003

Dance Officer posted:

Can the noise from an ultrasonic bath in some way be contained so that less than half the entire building gets bothered by the sound?

kind of the whole point of the mechanism

Kinetica
Aug 16, 2011

Dance Officer posted:

Can the noise from an ultrasonic bath in some way be contained so that less than half the entire building gets bothered by the sound?

That how you know it’s working right

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

U like it

Development posted:

i change my answer, the lab lunch fridge is the foulest thing right now

it's like stinky cheese, stinky tofu, month old free seminar food and durian in there right now

I work at a medical campus in a pretty flush clinical division's floorspace so most people on my floor are working professionals that get paid a decent ish salary (techs), not the horde of grad students, post-docs and pre-meds like up at boulder.

In practice this just means their gross food is packaged in nicer lunch boxes.

Kinetica
Aug 16, 2011
I like bringing leftover fish and onions, very garlicky potatoes, and popcorn for my meals. I’m sure this is fine and I won’t suffer a horrible accident.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Kinetica posted:

I like bringing leftover fish and onions, very garlicky potatoes, and popcorn for my meals. I’m sure this is fine and I won’t suffer a horrible accident.

You're gonna find yourself in a vat of HF.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Dance Officer posted:

Can the noise from an ultrasonic bath in some way be contained so that less than half the entire building gets bothered by the sound?
If you don't put any water in the bath, it's 10x worse. Ask me how I know.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

gently caress sop review season and especially gently caress me for thinking to create a reference guide to condense SOPs for like 30 similar materials into a single document.

Each material now has to link to the reference document and each sop is a numbered list and formatting mess due to office versions loving everything up over the years.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Mustached Demon posted:

gently caress sop review season and especially gently caress me for thinking to create a reference guide to condense SOPs for like 30 similar materials into a single document.

Each material now has to link to the reference document and each sop is a numbered list and formatting mess due to office versions loving everything up over the years.

Bastard Tetris
Apr 27, 2005

L-Shaped


Nap Ghost
I fuckin love how even after 15+ years in industry, once a post-doc, always a post-doc. If you say there's leftover pizza in the break room it's gone in under 5 minutes.

Dik Hz posted:

If you don't put any water in the bath, it's 10x worse. Ask me how I know.

I have a gentle sonication protocol on some of my instruments, I'm starting to find it soothing now, which worries me.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
How to give your analytical chemist a heart attack in under five seconds:

We have three molecules going for clinical manufacture in the next two or three months, including one which went from "nah, we don't need any methods for it ever" to "oh yeah we need cleaning recovery and potency, and we need them immediately." His group is working feverishly to get all these methods working and validated while understaffed due to one guy going on a rotation for half the year. Today, I went over to him to hand him a bunch of paperwork associated with the most urgent of these molecules.

"Hey, for [DRUG X], I have the new forms ready for you whenever you want them."
"WHAT?? WHAT DO YOU MEAN NEW FORMS? MULTIPLE?!?"

*holds up stack of paper*

Visible relief in his face as he sinks back in to his seat. He thought I was dumping new molecular forms on his plate, not paper documentation. :suicide:

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Sundae posted:

How to give your analytical chemist a heart attack in under five seconds:

We have three molecules going for clinical manufacture in the next two or three months, including one which went from "nah, we don't need any methods for it ever" to "oh yeah we need cleaning recovery and potency, and we need them immediately." His group is working feverishly to get all these methods working and validated while understaffed due to one guy going on a rotation for half the year. Today, I went over to him to hand him a bunch of paperwork associated with the most urgent of these molecules.

"Hey, for [DRUG X], I have the new forms ready for you whenever you want them."
"WHAT?? WHAT DO YOU MEAN NEW FORMS? MULTIPLE?!?"

*holds up stack of paper*

Visible relief in his face as he sinks back in to his seat. He thought I was dumping new molecular forms on his plate, not paper documentation. :suicide:
They had us in the first half, not gonna lie.

You gave me a heart attack reading that.

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

I was never even a chemist, and am now probably out of the lab for good, and "nah we don't need methods"/"WE NEED EVERY METHOD YESTERDAY" still gave me that queasy feeling. Jesus.

Shrieking Muppet
Jul 16, 2006
Why is it as soon as I have finished gowning up and enter a potent lab I have to use the bathroom?

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Shrieking Muppet posted:

Why is it as soon as I have finished gowning up and enter a potent lab I have to use the bathroom?

Same reason I always have to after the cal check passes on the icp before samples run.

Speaking of, my labs hiring a chemist. BS+experience required. Advanced degrees also lovely and gets more money. Kickers being 1) you may have to work with me and 2) 12-hour shifts rotating between day/night shift every four months.

Other details: Boise, ID. Working with almost every type of analytical chemistry test--icp or ic experience really sets you apart though. Starting out, it's 75% analytical work and 25% analytical development. It's a middle ground between a qa/qc lab and r&d lab. Eventually it evens out to 50/50 after a few years. Starting pays 75-80k/yr or up to around 100k/yr if you're a Dr. Great benefits. Cheap to live in Boise compared to real cities.

Last person left because the nights and their special needs child didn't go well together.

PM me or something if you're interested.

Pikestaff
Feb 17, 2013

Came here to bark at you




Today in first world lab problems: I finally found the perfect brand and size of gloves that fit me but someone keeps swiping them off of my desk :colbert:

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat
How many goons do we have here who work for instrument manufacturers? I'm a chemist looking to get back into a more lab-focused role after spinning my wheels in a regulatory position for a few years. I had a good but unsuccessful interview with an instrument manufacturer last fall for a role that sounded like a mashup of Sales and Technical Support. Basically customers who were already interested in purchasing something would come to them and they'd talk through their research needs and figure out the best instrument from the catalog. Customers would also send samples for the company to test on their in-house instruments to help the decision-making process, and once a quarter the role would road-trip to visit customers on-site for a couple of days. Is that kind of an atypical position, or does that line up with the goons who are in instrumentation?

tesserae
Sep 25, 2004



C-Euro posted:

How many goons do we have here who work for instrument manufacturers? I'm a chemist looking to get back into a more lab-focused role after spinning my wheels in a regulatory position for a few years. I had a good but unsuccessful interview with an instrument manufacturer last fall for a role that sounded like a mashup of Sales and Technical Support. Basically customers who were already interested in purchasing something would come to them and they'd talk through their research needs and figure out the best instrument from the catalog. Customers would also send samples for the company to test on their in-house instruments to help the decision-making process, and once a quarter the role would road-trip to visit customers on-site for a couple of days. Is that kind of an atypical position, or does that line up with the goons who are in instrumentation?

Instrument R&D here, and that sounds like a field applications scientist/engineer role, though with more of an emphasis on sales rather than training or troubleshooting. Neat!

Epitope
Nov 27, 2006

Grimey Drawer

Shbobdb posted:

Seconding this. I recently got a job as a field service engineer (Application support specialist, field service engineer, field application specialist . . . all the same really). It is pretty awesome. I get to travel a bunch, the paycheck is sweet, I'm using my Ph.D. Check out Ed's Joblist and see if anything pops out at you.

Quoting a previous post on the topic. Get On Ed's List

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat

tesserae posted:

Instrument R&D here, and that sounds like a field applications scientist/engineer role, though with more of an emphasis on sales rather than training or troubleshooting. Neat!

Yeah it was cool which is why I was disappointed that I didn't get an offer :( What are some skills you'd recommend working on or advertising to make me a more appealing hire in that field?

tesserae
Sep 25, 2004



PMed you an example open role that's a bit in both spaces. Emphasizing sales victories as well as training/field competencies in equal measure would be a good start.

Mr Newsman
Nov 8, 2006
Did somebody say news?
I was a field service engineer / apps guy for a liquid handling instrument. Small company.

Depending on what kind of stuff you do, there might be a lot of travel. Was a deal breaker for me personally.

Keep that in mind as you're looking for jobs. Some people love it, but it can be pretty grueling.

UberChair
Jan 8, 2008

This club is borin' the crap outta me!
Hi all - been lurking a good long while and thought I'd ask around for some advice because I'm at a bit of weird spot in my career (to use the word loosely) and would like to pick your brains a bit.

Background: I got my BSc in Chemistry just about 6 yrs ago as of last week. Since then, I spent 1.5yrs working in silicone polymer R&D, 1 yr as a glorified line cook producing batches of raw polymer to be fashioned into resorbable heart stents, and I'm currently 1.5yr into my current position as essentially QA lead for a local, somewhat-prominent brewery (the rest of that time was funemployment trying to find a halfway decent job after getting laid off from the first two).

I'm not particularly happy with that progression, as my overall pay has actually gone down with each subsequent job AND I've been at roughly the same weird twilight of "chemist/technician I/II/III" the whole time. So far the work-life balance at the brewery is pretty solid, benefits are good, and so are the people, but the work itself is pretty monotonous and I don't see a major promotion or raise happening anytime soon, so my thoughts have turned to how best to improve my skills/resume before trying to find something new and better.

I have a few ideas - right now it's between picking up CS/tech skills/certs, getting my MBA, or getting my Master's in Chem. I just don't know how to evaluate which of those options fits my situation best. I worry about starting the CS stuff without a set goal in mind, I worry about getting an MBA and then not knowing what to do with it, and I worry that my general chem/college skillset has atrophied too much over the years for my Master's.

If anyone's been in similar situations or can lend a few words of wisdom, that'd be greatly appreciated!

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

UberChair posted:

Hi all - been lurking a good long while and thought I'd ask around for some advice because I'm at a bit of weird spot in my career (to use the word loosely) and would like to pick your brains a bit.

Background: I got my BSc in Chemistry just about 6 yrs ago as of last week. Since then, I spent 1.5yrs working in silicone polymer R&D, 1 yr as a glorified line cook producing batches of raw polymer to be fashioned into resorbable heart stents, and I'm currently 1.5yr into my current position as essentially QA lead for a local, somewhat-prominent brewery (the rest of that time was funemployment trying to find a halfway decent job after getting laid off from the first two).

I'm not particularly happy with that progression, as my overall pay has actually gone down with each subsequent job AND I've been at roughly the same weird twilight of "chemist/technician I/II/III" the whole time. So far the work-life balance at the brewery is pretty solid, benefits are good, and so are the people, but the work itself is pretty monotonous and I don't see a major promotion or raise happening anytime soon, so my thoughts have turned to how best to improve my skills/resume before trying to find something new and better.

I have a few ideas - right now it's between picking up CS/tech skills/certs, getting my MBA, or getting my Master's in Chem. I just don't know how to evaluate which of those options fits my situation best. I worry about starting the CS stuff without a set goal in mind, I worry about getting an MBA and then not knowing what to do with it, and I worry that my general chem/college skillset has atrophied too much over the years for my Master's.

If anyone's been in similar situations or can lend a few words of wisdom, that'd be greatly appreciated!
Don't get an MBA unless someone else is paying for it. A M.Sci in Chem isn't worth it because you have several years of relevant experience. Your current experience will trump a M.Sci. The M.Sci won't open any doors that aren't currently open to you.

What do you want? Where would you like to be in a year? 5 years? 10 years?

UberChair
Jan 8, 2008

This club is borin' the crap outta me!
Within the next year-ish I want to get out of the brewery and into something with a bit more room for advancement - I'm thinking something like project manager. I don't really feel I have the academic background to do formulation or in-depth analysis so I want to get into a position that doesn't quite require years and years of experience in those things, but I'm not opposed to learning if I'm find a job that deals with that (and I actually get hired, ofc). Further than that I would wanna transition into sales or management, but truthfully I have no idea how to even start down the sales road.

Shrieking Muppet
Jul 16, 2006

UberChair posted:

Chemists lament

The masters would be a waste of time, PhDs are plentiful and most people view masters as a consolation prizes for failed PhD aspirants. Mine has done nothing but cost me another year of paying my loans off.

MBA could be better but only if work wants you to have one.

I’m debating the CS stuff my self but choose wisely, a lot of that is becoming a commodity. I’ve been looking at security stuff but only apathetically.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

UberChair
Jan 8, 2008

This club is borin' the crap outta me!
Thanks for the advice re: Master's of various flavors. I guess that's the core of my issues, I feel like I have a wide pool of experience but none of it is that deep, and I don't know which way to move to fix that, outside applying to different, higher-tier jobs (something I am doing, but not as a primary concern right now).

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply