UKMT March 2019 - we live in a hell world of piss and shit.

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jaete: Jun 21, 2009; Nap Ghost

One negotiator says Brussels has �zero� trust in Theresa May and her government

"This is a circus that is beyond comprehension", said one senior EU diplomat working on Brexit.

Another senior Brussels figure involved in talks likened it to "dealing with a failed state".

Source: Financial Times: EU frustration with UK rises as Brexit talks near final hours (paywall)

# ? Mar 21, 2019 12:47

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# ? Jun 11, 2024 03:58

Combat Theory: Jul 16, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4uIC0AwD68

All these people hit by years of austerity still blame the EU and think brexit will make things better.

Dude straight up didn't care he was lied to, would still vote leave.

You'll never have a French revolution with these folks.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 12:48

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

crispix posted:

Brexit isn't happening. The only thing that's happening is BIG BOOBIES

My av approves.

tino posted:

So if I understand the situation correctly, the two most likely outcomes are 1 May's shitsanwish and 2 no-deal brexit (AKA crash out)?

What are UK goons' preference if you only have these two choices? May deal or crash out?

I honestly have no clue. May's deal will hurt her and the Conservatives (but the latter will distance themselves and ditch her), will harm the country less, but any harm will be brushed off by the right as "well we didn't really Brexit" and we'll be stood around knee-deep in a lagoon of poo poo throwing rocks at each other.

Crashing out no deal will suck poo poo in the short term (1-5 years) and opens the door to

vegetables posted:

a not-represented Even Worse party to capitalise on, while also creating the material conditions for that party to thrive.

But it could also destroy the Tories for a generation, and under FPTP lead to an anyone-but-Tories landslide, even if just from the old Tory voters sitting at home and stewing ~~their pets for food~~. That could allow a Corbyn/McDonnell government to seriously reverse some of the rot of the last 30 years even with the disaster of no deal.

Alternatively it could mean complete capitulation to US corporate interests as the same lovely lot mobilizes fear of socialism to keep the counties.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 12:48

Azza Bamboo: Apr 7, 2018; THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

tino posted:

So if I understand the situation correctly, the two most likely outcomes are 1 May's shitsanwish and 2 no-deal brexit (AKA crash out)?

What are UK goons' preference if you only have these two choices? May deal or crash out? I know most prefer the Queen pulling a Cersei Lannister and revoke article 50 but let's pretend you don't have that option.

If we must do one of those two things, May's Deal brings us to a position where we can easily negotiate Labour's soft brexit during the 2 year transitional period. Labour's brexit is calculated to cost the fewest jobs and cause the least disruption to vital goods coming across from Europe while still keeping us out of the EU.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 12:51

Nuclear Spoon: Aug 18, 2010; I want to cry out
but I don’t scream and I don’t shout
And I feel so proud
to be alive

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-20/brexit-splits-said-to-deter-donors-to-may-s-conservative-party

quote:

Brexit Splits Deter Donors to Theresa May�s Conservative Party
Donations to Theresa May�s Conservative Party are drying up as backers refuse to fund it in protest at its internal divisions, members of Parliament were told late Wednesday.

At a private meeting of Conservative MPs, party chairman Brandon Lewis and chief executive Mick Davis said they are facing a donor strike, according to four people present.

In recent months, splits over Brexit have resulted in an attempt to remove May as leader and three MPs quitting the party. According to Lewis, the public and -- more crucially -- big donors have noticed.

The meeting was told that half the party�s money came from 30 donors, and nearly a third came from just six people. The party needs to raise 32 million pounds ($42 million) this year and its financial backers don�t like the division they�re seeing.

Lewis warned that it isn�t just the people with money that the party has to worry about. He said voters are also being turned off and would make their views felt at local elections in May.

Though no one in the room disputed that the party is divided, there was disagreement about who is to blame.

lol loving eat poo poo

e: i want to believe this will kill/split the tory party but also once we crash out they will definitely reunite under the banner of fighting the possibility of a Corbyn governmetn

Nuclear Spoon fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Mar 21, 2019

# ? Mar 21, 2019 12:54

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

quote:

Though no one in the room disputed that the party is divided, there was disagreement about who is to blame.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:00

radmonger: Jun 6, 2011

tino posted:

What are UK goons' preference if you only have these two choices? May deal or crash out?

They are pretty much indistinguishable; the current set of Tory MPs are not suddenly going to agree any kind of trade deal. Without something changing that, May�s deal is just Hard Brexit in slow motion.

The correct and, as far as I can see, entirely possible option is May�s deal _plus_ an immediate general election.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:18

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Because a mate is asking, what's the scalding hot take on the apparent 'Corbyn walks out of leaders' meeting' controversy?

I can't even catch up with the story it seems to have disappeared off the BBC politics page.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:18

CyberPingu: Sep 15, 2013; If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

thespaceinvader posted:

Because a mate is asking, what's the scalding hot take on the apparent 'Corbyn walks out of leaders' meeting' controversy?

I can't even catch up with the story it seems to have disappeared off the BBC politics page.

The hot takes are saying he apparently walked out because Chuka Umunna was there, and he didnt like the idea of a not technically real party being involved in a party leaders meeting.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:21

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

CyberPingu posted:

The hot takes are saying he apparently walked out because Chuka Umunna was there, and he didnt like the idea of a not technically real party being involved in a party leaders meeting.

I was more looking for this thread's opinion, though I recognise I didn't really ask for that lol

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:22

oscarthewilde: May 16, 2012; I would often go there
To the tiny church there

I know things are bad in the UK, but if it's any consolation, maybe even schadenfreude, things just got a lot worse over here in the Netherlands. Climate-change denier, proto-fascist and all-around pretentious rear end in a top hat Thierry Baudet managed to become the biggest party in our Senate. He did this even despite only getting two seats in our House of Commons three years ago. I knew our politics were hosed, but I didn't know we could gently caress up things this badly.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/dutch-populist-wins-provincial-elections-utrecht-attack-190321073336538.html

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:22

notaspy: Mar 22, 2009

Barry Foster posted:

Awesome.

Bill and Ted rule and are perfectly good and perfectly pure (except for that one time they said 'fag')

Wasn't that the evil version's of themselves?

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:23

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1108700794063339521

:allears:

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:23

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

apparently corbyn was invited to meet with the pm in what was understood to be his capacity as leader of the opposition, and there was a concurrent meeting with the deputy pm and a bunch of other opposition figures in the same room, incl soubry and umunna. corbyn decided that this was bollocks and just left, citing TIG's non-party status and just generally being grouchy as poo poo about the whole situation

probably he correctly surmised that this was simply going to be a grandstanding opportunity for may and left in disgust, but it was a bad political move given the headlines it generated

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:23

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Before the above link Leadsom got asked about May's terribad statement last night attacking parliament and gave a mealy mouthed answer. Bercow gave a far stronger defence.

https://twitter.com/bbcpolitics/status/1108699600016297985

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:23

tino: Jun 4, 2018; by Smythe

oscarthewilde posted:

I know things are bad in the UK, but if it's any consolation, maybe even schadenfreude, things just got a lot worse over here in the Netherlands. Climate-change denier, proto-fascist and all-around pretentious rear end in a top hat Thierry Baudet managed to become the biggest party in our Senate. He did this even despite only getting two seats in our House of Commons three years ago. I knew our politics were hosed, but I didn't know we could gently caress up things this badly.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/dutch-populist-wins-provincial-elections-utrecht-attack-190321073336538.html

Center-left getting beat up by the right/conservative is a general trend in Europe since...the Financial Crisis.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:25

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

oscarthewilde posted:

I know things are bad in the UK, but if it's any consolation, maybe even schadenfreude, things just got a lot worse over here in the Netherlands. Climate-change denier, proto-fascist and all-around pretentious rear end in a top hat Thierry Baudet managed to become the biggest party in our Senate. He did this even despite only getting two seats in our House of Commons three years ago. I knew our politics were hosed, but I didn't know we could gently caress up things this badly.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/dutch-populist-wins-provincial-elections-utrecht-attack-190321073336538.html

Not really enjoying this round of Our Grandads Died And We Immediately Forgot Why Fascism Is Bad And Decided To Try It Again - World Edition

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:27

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

PST posted:

Before the above link Leadsom got asked about May's terribad statement last night attacking parliament and gave a mealy mouthed answer. Bercow gave a far stronger defence.

https://twitter.com/bbcpolitics/status/1108699600016297985

still conflicted about liking a tory

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:27

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

CyberPingu posted:

The hot takes are saying he apparently walked out because Chuka Umunna was there, and he didnt like the idea of a not technically real party being involved in a party leaders meeting.

Even if you count TIG as a party, Chuka isn't the leader of it. It's weird that he would be there on multiple levels.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:27

FiftySeven: Jan 1, 2006; I WON THE BETTING POOL ON TESSAS THIRD STUPID VOTE AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS HALF-ASSED TITLE; Slippery Tilde

TheRat posted:

https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1108700794063339521

Leadsom can go gently caress herself. Its 8 days to brexit for fucks sake and the Tory MPs still think they are in the dinner halls at Eton.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:28

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

Corbyn's objections to TIG being invited run a little deeper than you might think. Party leaders have access to a higher security clearance than regular MPs, meaning certain matters of import can only be discussed with them. If Umunna was brought along, then either May was bypassing regulations in a way that set a dangerous precedent (TIG getting treated like a proper party without disclosing their donors and financial behaviour is highly corrosive to parliamentary democracy) or she was going to feed them empty bullshit they didn't need to be around for.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:31

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

Darth Walrus posted:

or she was going to feed them empty bullshit they didn't need to be around for.

Which is exactly what the people present said she did after Corbyn left.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:32

Pesky Splinter: Feb 16, 2011; A worried pug.

tino posted:

So if I understand the situation correctly, the two most likely outcomes are 1 May's shitsanwish and 2 no-deal brexit (AKA crash out)?

What are UK goons' preference if you only have these two choices? May deal or crash out? I know most prefer the Queen pulling a Cersei Lannister and revoke article 50 but let's pretend you don't have that option.

Of just those two options, May's deal.

That's not saying much though. Her deal is vague as all hell, and there's still vast sections of "Step 1: Brexit. Step 2: ???". It also doesnt' really solve anything - it's just keeping the lights on while having enough loops holes and vaguely worded statements to shred more rights, and deport more foreigns (which is the only thing that May gets up for in the morning).

No Deal, who loving knows. It depends on the fallout, and preperation by the government (i.e barely loving any). I'd say that No Deal is more likely - I've been resigned to this for a while.

thespaceinvader posted:

I was more looking for this thread's opinion, though I recognise I didn't really ask for that lol

He did the right thing IMO. TIG don't get to pretend to be a legitimate party, when they're not a party. If it wasn't so predictable that May was going to spout the usual bollocks, I'd be more concerned - although he did phone after for a one-to-one - but any potentially bad press was swamped by her loving terrible speech immediately after. And only journos really give a gently caress about snubbing TIG.

And it means that May was trying to pull something, I guess - why else would Umunna be invited? To clarify, I guess by trying to gather votes? I dunno.

Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Mar 21, 2019

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:37

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Just spoken to another recruiter and he asked if i have any problems working in the financial sector lol

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:37

Noxville: Dec 7, 2003

Barry Foster posted:

Awesome.

Bill and Ted rule and are perfectly good and perfectly pure (except for that one time they said 'fag')

That was the evil robot Bill and Ted though

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:37

learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

https://twitter.com/learnincurve11/status/1108707461161197569

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:39

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

Pesky Splinter posted:

Of just those two options, May's deal.

That's not saying much though. Her deal is vague as all hell, and there's still vast sections of "Step 1: Brexit. Step 2: ???". It also doesnt' really solve anything - it's just keeping the lights on while having enough loops holes and vaguely worded statements to shred more rights, and deport more foreigns (which is the only thing that May gets up for in the morning).

No Deal, who loving knows. It depends on the fallout, and preperation by the government (i.e barely loving any). I'd say that No Deal is more likely - I've been resigned to this for a while.

He did the right thing IMO. TIG don't get to pretend to be a legitimate party, when they're not a party. If it wasn't so predictable that May was going to spout the usual bollocks, I'd be more concerned - although he did phone after for a one-to-one - but any potentially bad press was swamped by her loving terrible speech immediately after. And only journos really give a gently caress about snubbing TIG.

And it means that May was trying to pull something, I guess - why else would Umunna be invited?

I mean, if it was sumething substantial he'd missed out on, then that's its own flavour of scandal because Umunna had no grounds for being there to hear it.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:40

learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

bump_fn posted:

still conflicted about liking a tory

He�s not a Tory, had to stand for his seat as the speaker and not on any party ticket.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:40

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

Think we missed this:

https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1108254993633685504?s=21

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:43

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

learnincurve posted:

https://twitter.com/learnincurve11/status/1108707461161197569

Isn't haiku 5-7-5? You've got an extra syllable in the middle line.

learnincurve posted:

He’s not a Tory, had to stand for his seat as the speaker and not on any party ticket.

That's a really pedantic point because the main parties don't oppose the speaker and he came from the Tory party.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:44

Oh dear me: Aug 14, 2012; I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Efb

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:49

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

notaspy posted:

Wasn't that the evil version's of themselves?

Noxville posted:

That was the evil robot Bill and Ted though

I'm afraid not, comrades. They give each other a big hug after some misadventure then immediately call each other 'fags' for their homosocial reaction.

It brings me no pleasure to break this to you both.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:50

notaspy: Mar 22, 2009

Barry Foster posted:

I'm afraid not, comrades. They give each other a big hug after some misadventure then immediately call each other 'fags' for their homosocial reaction.

It brings me no pleasure to break this to you both.

Just looked it up and you're right.

Contemporary version of #nohomo.

I'm sad now.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:55

Lord Stimperor: Jun 13, 2018; I'm a lovable meme.

Azza Bamboo posted:

Something something cake having, eating, lie

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:55

learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

namesake posted:

Isn't haiku 5-7-5? You've got an extra syllable in the middle line.

That's a really pedantic point because the main parties don't oppose the speaker and he came from the Tory party.

Well if you are going to be pedantic then I used one of those haiku creator things and it said it was ok :colbert:

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:56

CoolCab: Apr 17, 2005; glem

i mean the beastie boys licence to ill was originally going to be called don't be a human being, slurs of that nature were disgustingly normalized. history is ugly but looking away does not make it better. we're better, but we're only better because we remember when we were worse.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:58

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1108713183936761856

# ? Mar 21, 2019 13:58

blunt: Jul 7, 2005

Can we do a general strike yet? Work's been pretty rubbish recently.

# ? Mar 21, 2019 14:00

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

FWIW, Keanu Reeves is like, one of the best celebs in terms of not being a horrible dick, so I'm pretty sure he regrets that line in retrospect and wouldn't put it in a reboot.

I'm just disappointed in yet another 20 year reboot. Especailly when keanu is the helm of one of the best original movies in probably a decade, in John Wick.

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# ? Jun 11, 2024 03:58

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

learnincurve posted:

Well if you are going to be pedantic then I used one of those haiku creator things and it said it was ok

Just "incarnate" would work better and fit the 5-7-5. Although there's other elements to haikus if you're going to be a weeaboo about it

# ? Mar 21, 2019 14:01

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