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It's the German car companies I'm most disappointed with...
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Mar 21, 2019 19:42
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https://twitter.com/aqbyrne/status/1108803821818531844?s=19 How can any one person be this poo poo at negotiating?
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Mar 21, 2019 20:08
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tarbrush posted:https://twitter.com/aqbyrne/status/1108803821818531844?s=19
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Mar 21, 2019 20:09
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Financial Times has this How Theresa May decided she was willing to accept a no-deal Brexit PM made momentous decision in the early hours of the morning after a day of acrimonious debate In the early hours of Wednesday morning, Theresa May made a momentous choice. After a day of acrimonious debate in her cabinet and inner circle, the prime minister decided that she was willing to take Britain out of the EU without a deal. At Thursday’s European Council meeting in Brussels, EU diplomats wondered whether Mrs May was bluffing, but those close to the prime minister said if she cannot secure her Brexit deal she is determined the UK should embark on a no-deal exit. Since announcing on Wednesday that she would ask EU leaders for a short extension to the bloc’s Article 50 process — to delay Brexit from March 29 to June 30 — people who have spoken to the prime minister said she is reconciled to the implications of what happens if the UK parliament continues to reject her withdrawal agreement. “The mood has hardened on no deal,” said one person close to the prime minister. One Eurosceptic Conservative MP who met Mrs May on Wednesday night said: “She didn’t seem concerned about leaving with no deal.” The prime minister refused to rule out a no-deal Brexit as she arrived in Brussels, and in her preferred scenario this could happen on June 30. It is a massive disaster, staggering incompetence. We are heading for no deal, which would be the first time a developed economy has essentially placed sanctions on itself But French president Emmanuel Macron said that if the British parliament fails to approve Mrs May’s Brexit deal in a vote earmarked for next week, the UK would be heading for a no-deal exit on March 29. EU leaders were on Thursday discussing an Article 50 extension, conditional on MPs approving Mrs May’s withdrawal agreement. There is, of course, a big question over whether Mrs May would ever be allowed to let the UK crash out of the EU in the face of massive political and business opposition. If she loses what would be the third so-called meaningful vote by MPs on her deal next week, she would be under intense pressure to resign. Senior Europhile Conservative MPs speculated they could ultimately join with Labour to bring down the government in a vote of no confidence and force a general election, rather than allow Mrs May to — in their view — crash the economy. The House of Commons voted this month by 413 to 202 against the UK leaving the EU without an agreement. If Mrs May refused to heed this non-binding vote, MPs could try to seize control of the parliamentary agenda to change the law to stop a no-deal exit. “It is a massive disaster, staggering incompetence,” said one influential Conservative MP. “She is trying to keep the party together in an extraordinarily stupid way. We are heading for no deal, which would be the first time a developed economy has essentially placed sanctions on itself.” Under the prime minister’s scenario planning, MPs have until April 11 to agree an exit deal: that is the legal cut-off date when Britain would have to legislate to take part in May’s European Parliament elections. Mrs May is adamant Britain should not take part in those elections. https://www.ft.com/content/c1bb68fa...c9-6917dce3dc62
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Mar 21, 2019 20:13
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I bet Ken Clarke is regretting those 'bloody difficult woman' quotes right about now
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Mar 21, 2019 20:15
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CactusWeasle posted:https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1108782858565574658 Actually, it's probably two different tendencies within the EU, with some preferring a clean break because they don't see the Brits ever resolving the contradictions and others wanting to delay because they figure those contradictions + demographic changes will prevent Brexit eventually. Well, there might also be a "We need more time to insulate ourselves from Brexit/lure more bankers out of the UK" contingent who'd be happy to extend even if they think the UK will Brexit eventually.
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Mar 21, 2019 20:16
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All this hubbub only to extend Brexit for 13 days is hilariously pathetic
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Mar 21, 2019 20:27
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such a massive oval office https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1108660548592377857
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Mar 21, 2019 20:27
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JFairfax posted:Financial Times has this
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Mar 21, 2019 20:31
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SKULL.GIF posted:All this hubbub only to extend Brexit for 13 days is hilariously pathetic isn't france gonna just veto it anyway
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Mar 21, 2019 20:33
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Opferwurst posted:I loving swear she will fly to Brussel next week and try to negotiate again. That woman is touched in the head Theresa May is treating this like Groundhog Day, repeating the same motions over and over and over again until she works everything out just right! except she's not actually reliving the same day
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Mar 21, 2019 20:37
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brugroffil posted:Theresa May is treating this like Groundhog Day, repeating the same motions over and over and over again until she works everything out just right! You have to change the motions though.
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Mar 21, 2019 20:42
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https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1108815969420488705
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Mar 21, 2019 20:43
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Boo. No more Brelays.
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Mar 21, 2019 20:45
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britain can't even kill itself properly. pathetic.
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Mar 21, 2019 20:55
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I know May's deal is terrible and bad but given no deal has pretty much been the only alternative for months I admit if I were British I'd want Labour to vote for it. I know that's bad politics but I seeing estimates like no deal will cut 6% of GDP growth in the following 12 months. You are on the brink of inducing a recession worse than the Great Financial crisis for no reason. Like I know it sucks that the British public are being held hostage by racist maniacs but you still can't just shoot the hostages yourself.
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Mar 21, 2019 21:01
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Squalid posted:I know May's deal is terrible and bad but given no deal has pretty much been the only alternative for months I admit if I were British I'd want Labour to vote for it. I know that's bad politics but I seeing estimates like no deal will cut 6% of GDP growth in the following 12 months. You are on the brink of inducing a recession worse than the Great Financial crisis for no reason. Like I know it sucks that the British public are being held hostage by racist maniacs but you still can't just shoot the hostages yourself. It's funny though because no-deal really is the only way to achieve Brexit, the deal is EU membership with no power over anything in the EU.
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Mar 21, 2019 21:08
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Surely now with the mumblings about the EU, next week isnt "vote for my deal or its No Deal", when they will be fully aware its My Deal, OR the EU will consider a long extension? So why on earth would any MP vote for her 'bad' deal?
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Mar 21, 2019 21:10
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Thom12255 posted:It's funny though because no-deal really is the only way to achieve Brexit, the deal is EU membership with no power over anything in the EU. it's not that at all this is the pre-negotiation agreement for EU membership with no power over anything in the EU. you wait until you see our deal, it's going to be amazing, just the best deal CactusWeasle posted:Surely now with the mumblings about the EU, next week isnt "vote for my deal or its No Deal", when they will be fully aware its No Deal, or the EU will consider a long extension? So why on earth would any MP vote for her 'bad' deal? she tried to make the EU drive the car over the cliff and the EU responded by daring her to resign and giving parliament the ability to call her bluff she's the least competent fascist in history. She's less capable than tUrpm or mussolini.
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Mar 21, 2019 21:10
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Squalid posted:I know May's deal is terrible and bad but given no deal has pretty much been the only alternative for months I admit if I were British I'd want Labour to vote for it. I know that's bad politics but I seeing estimates like no deal will cut 6% of GDP growth in the following 12 months. You are on the brink of inducing a recession worse than the Great Financial crisis for no reason. Like I know it sucks that the British public are being held hostage by racist maniacs but you still can't just shoot the hostages yourself. Except it's not the only alternative, no matter how hard May stamps her foot and screams that it is. We don't actually have to leave!
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Mar 21, 2019 21:13
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Taciturn Tactician posted:Except it's not the only alternative, no matter how hard May stamps her foot and screams that it is. We don't actually have to leave! Except even Labour is too cowardly to embrace this alternative. The UK is hosed.
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Mar 21, 2019 21:19
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Pook Good Mook posted:Except even Labour is too cowardly to embrace this alternative. we deserve it
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Mar 21, 2019 21:24
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Best outcome at this point seems to be booting May, new elections and then a new government that can negotiate an EFTA type arrangement. De facto the UK would remain in the EU, but it would be enough of a symbolic change that the Gammons might be satisfied now that they saw what the alternatives are (also, UK loses its rebate and all democratic representation lol) I think that's what the EU is trying to achieve here
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Mar 21, 2019 21:24
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Pook Good Mook posted:Except even Labour is too cowardly to embrace this alternative. labour will do it but it takes one vote to be done and every day of this means less chance of MPs getting shot Opferwurst posted:Best outcome at this point seems to be booting May, new elections and then a new government that can negotiate an EFTA type arrangement. De facto the UK would remain in the EU, but it would be enough of a symbolic change that the Gammons might be satisfied now that they saw what the alternatives are (also, UK loses its rebate and all democratic representation lol) I think that's what the EU is trying to achieve here best outcome is the EU insist they aren't negotiating and we run a final vote on mays deal vs remain m8
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Mar 21, 2019 21:25
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Spangly A posted:labour will do it but it takes one vote to be done and every day of this means less chance of MPs getting shot Remain is gonna kill you, m8. At least 40% of Brits still want a brexti, Gammons are gonna howl and radicalize into Hypergammons
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Mar 21, 2019 21:29
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Pook Good Mook posted:Except even Labour is too cowardly to embrace this alternative. Not their mess. This will take down the Tories. There's no reason it has to take down both our parties. Opferwurst posted:Remain is gonna kill you, m8. At least 40% of Brits still want a brexti, Gammons are gonna howl and radicalize into Hypergammons Our lovely policestate is quite good at stopping riots. Let them bash some right wing heads for once. It's all the same to them.
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Mar 21, 2019 21:30
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Opferwurst posted:Remain is gonna kill you, m8. At least 40% of Brits still want a brexti, Gammons are gonna howl and radicalize into Hypergammons
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Mar 21, 2019 21:30
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Opferwurst posted:Remain is gonna kill you, m8. At least 40% of Brits still want a brexti, Gammons are gonna howl and radicalize into Hypergammons they're all 60 and there are very few guns in this country, i'll die tasting the victory wine
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Mar 21, 2019 21:30
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Oh and those reasons too.
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Mar 21, 2019 21:31
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Regarde Aduck posted:Our lovely policestate is quite good at stopping riots. Let them bash some right wing heads for once. It's all the same to them. lol the head of uk counterterrorism says the papers are responsible for far-right terror, the biggest threat to the UK, and then some gammon attacks an mp to make it clear they're right the specials busting up villages in kent is going to be loving great
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Mar 21, 2019 21:36
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tarbrush posted:https://twitter.com/aqbyrne/status/1108803821818531844?s=19 
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Mar 21, 2019 21:42
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I admit whenever I hear the elaborate theorycrafting for how Labour is going to stop Brexit despite being explicitly for it my eyes glaze over and it all just starts sounding like wishful thinking gibberish. British politics is infected with magical thinking, nothing seems real. Maybe you can grant the ghost of Gabriel Garcia Márquez citizenship and make it Prime Minister because it would definitely propose something more grounded in reality than your current leaders
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Mar 21, 2019 21:42
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Squalid posted:despite being explicitly for it my eyes glaze over whenever i see this take, personally
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Mar 21, 2019 21:46
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Captain Splendid posted:Don't worry, guys, EU's gonna come begging... they'll be moved by TIG's incredible integrity
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Mar 21, 2019 21:48
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Squalid posted:I know May's deal is terrible and bad but given no deal has pretty much been the only alternative for months I admit if I were British I'd want Labour to vote for it. I know that's bad politics but I seeing estimates like no deal will cut 6% of GDP growth in the following 12 months. You are on the brink of inducing a recession worse than the Great Financial crisis for no reason. Like I know it sucks that the British public are being held hostage by racist maniacs but you still can't just shoot the hostages yourself. lol gently caress that. may and the tories will be remembered for a generation as the party that did this. labour absolutely should let them self destruct
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Mar 21, 2019 21:51
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Squalid posted:I admit whenever I hear the elaborate theorycrafting for how Labour is going to stop Brexit despite being explicitly for it my eyes glaze over and it all just starts sounding like wishful thinking gibberish. British politics is infected with magical thinking, nothing seems real. Maybe you can grant the ghost of Gabriel Garcia Márquez citizenship and make it Prime Minister because it would definitely propose something more grounded in reality than your current leaders you don’t actually understand anything about British politics if you think Labour wants no deal.
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Mar 21, 2019 21:55
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:you don’t actually understand anything about British politics if you think Labour wants no deal. the tv said they did though
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Mar 21, 2019 21:56
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GOD loving DAMMIT I PUT 33 BUCKS ON THIS poo poo YESTERDAY gently caress THIS poo poo
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:lol gently caress that. may and the tories will be remembered for a generation as the party that did this. labour absolutely should let them self destruct
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