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Eletriarnation posted:I don't think you get quad channel RAM until you go to LGA2066. Whoops, you're right.
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Vintersorg posted:Guy at work bought a Dell Precision 3000 series with 32GB of RAM and Xeon 2186G. We don't support those and asked why since we support Dell Latitudes. He said the Lat's can't do what this does but from the things I am reading the i7 8700 is just as good. Does he need ECC for his workload Y/N? e: FYI the CPU in question only has 2 memory controllers https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134855/intel-xeon-e-2186g-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-70-ghz.html BangersInMyKnickers fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Mar 21, 2019 |
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Mar 21, 2019 18:50
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The only reason for it is if it absolutely can't fail instead of probably won't fail with the consumer hardware.
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Mar 21, 2019 18:56
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craig588 posted:The only reason for it is if it absolutely can't fail instead of probably won't fail with the consumer hardware. Yeah, I am trying to find out why he needs this so bad - like he's getting REALLY confrontational. "I'm not looking to explain to you what I do, how I do it, or why I do it that way." Also didn't mean Latitudes... Optiplex, that changes things prob. So a Dell Opti 7060 vs Dell Prec 3630
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Mar 21, 2019 20:26
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Vintersorg posted:"I'm not looking to explain to you what I do, how I do it, or why I do it that way." LOL, goes right in the GET hosed file.
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Mar 21, 2019 20:30
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Sounds like he just wants the expensive poo poo. Any way to hook him up with a C2D?
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Mar 21, 2019 20:32
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You might be able to solve it really quick by saying you can support it, but the budget doesn't cover it and he has to buy it himself. I've heard so many stories of a new guy coming in, requesting 5,000 dollars of hardware and then leaving in a month.
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craig588 posted:You might be able to solve it really quick by saying you can support it, but the budget doesn't cover it and he has to buy it himself. I've heard so many stories of a new guy coming in, requesting 5,000 dollars of hardware and then leaving in a month. The viability of this plan is determined by what happens to that requested hardware when they bail or are fired.  Sometimes, you're just shopping for yourself!
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Vintersorg posted:Yeah, I am trying to find out why he needs this so bad - like he's getting REALLY confrontational.
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Vintersorg posted:Guy at work bought a Dell Precision 3000 series with 32GB of RAM and Xeon 2186G. We don't support those and asked why since we support Dell You should use Intel ARK for Intel to Intel comparisons, it highlights differences so you can tell exactly what’s up. Sometimes the minor things have false diffs because they’re listed in slightly different ways or the database isn’t perfectly accurate, but overall it’s pretty good. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/compare.html?productIds=134855,126684 The silicon design should be identical between this pair of models. Intel is just charging a lot of money for enabling ECC in an unnoticeably better speed bin and branding the result as a Xeon. BangersInMyKnickers posted:buy the optiplex and give him a wedgie It sounds like the hardware’s bought and the guy is complaining that he’s not getting support for a machine IT didn’t spec and buy
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Mar 21, 2019 21:51
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BobHoward posted:It sounds like the hardware’s bought and the guy is complaining that he’s not getting support for a machine IT didn’t spec and buy Reply to the guy with Dell's return policy. https://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/uscorp1/terms-conditions/art-us-return-policy
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Return policy and the wedgie imo
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Mar 21, 2019 22:06
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He's already played his card of being an rear end in a top hat. I don't think anything more than spouting company policy and directing him to his boss is needed...unless he's a c-level.
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Mar 21, 2019 23:19
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:Reply to the guy with Dell's return policy.  Pretty much this.My lead told me this thing is not touching the network drives at all. At best he can get a IP address. He hasn't responded back to me yet so right now it's just sitting around with Windows 10 Pro. Thanks for the ARK site and all the other info. 
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Oh poo poo I think my launch week Z77-M-Pro just died. It's been on all day since ~April-May 2012 and lugging around a 2500k pushing 4.4-4.6 for more than half of that. It should have been dead years ago. CPU tested fine in a spare HP workstation I have lying around. Picking up a spare z68 at some point over the weekend. SANDY BRIDGE WILL LIVE ON.
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Sandy Bridge forever. My 4.4 2500K got kicked out of the top spot by a six-core, but it lives on with a GT 1030 as an overpowered HTPC and will probably have that role until it dies or the P8Z68-V it rests in does.
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Sell it and buy an nvidia shield. Htpc thread convinced me of same and they are right and also it's profitable.
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LRADIKAL posted:Sell it and buy an nvidia shield. Htpc thread convinced me of same and they are right and also it's profitable. Have both and turn it into a NAS like I'm doing with my old desktop when Threadripper 3000 series comes around 
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Mar 22, 2019 19:42
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You can have a much lower power using NAS using a Raspberry Pi. There probably are even lower power options, but I'm lazy and had a Pi so I used that. I don't turn off my NAS most of the time. It averages using just a few watts.
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A 2500k is a very inefficient media center or NAS. Since people still pay decent money for them, it's worth going to a shield TV or Synology (or whatever brand) respectively. It's fun to set the stuff up yourself, but the custom boxes are by far more practical and energy efficient. Also they are smaller and quieter.
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LRADIKAL posted:A 2500k is a very inefficient media center or NAS. Since people still pay decent money for them, it's worth going to a shield TV or Synology (or whatever brand) respectively. It's fun to set the stuff up yourself, but the custom boxes are by far more practical and energy efficient. Also they are smaller and quieter. I personally would never use an 'appliance' as a media centre, they lock you in to all kinds of bullshit, and convince people that transcoding video on-the-fly is actually a reasonable use of resources.
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Shield runs Amazon, YouTube, Netflix, all that stuff, also functions as Chromecast, and can run Kodi and Plex. You can steam steam, and nvidia stream, it also supports USB and Bluetooth game controllers. All without sideloading or any of that. If you're lucky the HDMI-CEC will work perfectly, too. It can even do file and Plex serving. It's really hard to beat, especially for the price.
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craig588 posted:You can have a much lower power using NAS using a Raspberry Pi Sure, if you want a "NAS" that struggles to match the speed of your hard drive in 1998 for transfer.
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I just have 3 4TB HDs hooked up with no RAID or anything and replace them when SMART warnings come up. They do about 100MB/s sequentially which is fine for the type of consumer stuff I do. I just have my blurays and all my old games stored there.
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craig588 posted:I just have 3 4TB HDs hooked up with no RAID or anything and replace them when SMART warnings come up. They do about 100MB/s sequentially which is fine for the type of consumer stuff I do. I just have my blurays and all my old games stored there. A Raspberry Pi absolutely cannot push 100 megabytes per second off USB, it can't even read off of the disks faster than ~35 megabytes per second and that's only if you're not also transferring to the network. Because it's USB 2.0, and USB 2.0 splitting its bandwidth between the disks, the ethernet, etc at that.
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It might be caching or something. The Windows file transfer box regularly reads around 100MB/s so it's at least tricking whatever that measures.
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LRADIKAL posted:If you're lucky the HDMI-CEC will work perfectly, too. This actually has been a biiiiig plus for me since controlling it from my x900f's remote has been really nice and 98% problem free. Having the play, pause, fast forward, etc buttons all work and being able to navigate with the menu navigation buttons has been great. Only issues have been it ignoring the controller and/or lagging behind with commands from the tv remote when the shield tv wakes up from sleep mode. I did have to turn off "control tv power state" stuff and some of the "swap to this hdmi input" stuff though.
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Hmm, I do the opposite. I have an amp that auto senses, and I don't use any of my TVs smart functions, so the shield remote controls everything. Another neat thing is my Google home can turn on and off the TV via the shield as well.
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HalloKitty posted:I personally would never use an 'appliance' as a media centre, they lock you in to all kinds of bullshit, and convince people that transcoding video on-the-fly is actually a reasonable use of resources. I have an HTPC too, but they really are obsolete right now unless you want to watch weird pirate streams that only load in a browser. Even then, you can use a Chromecast. A shield does just about everything, uses less power, and you don't have to use a hodgepodge of software to get your old MCE remote working properly.
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craig588 posted:It might be caching or something. The Windows file transfer box regularly reads around 100MB/s so it's at least tricking whatever that measures. How are you connecting these drives to the rpi? This doesn’t make much sense
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If you want a Pi that actually supports modern interfaces, check out the new Jetson Nano. It's basically a Shield with 4gb ram, 2/3 the clocks and half the gpu cores, for half the price. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia-jetson-nano&num=1 You get HDMI 2.0, gigabit Ethernet, and 4 USB 3.0. The quad A57s roll all over the CPU in the Pi, as does the Maxwell GPU. Pi's crappy shared USB 2.0 was fine when it was released EIGHTyears ago, but it's really limiting today. You can't overclock your way out of that corner. defaultluser fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Mar 23, 2019 |
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LRADIKAL posted:A 2500k is a very inefficient media center or NAS. Since people still pay decent money for them, it's worth going to a shield TV or Synology (or whatever brand) respectively. It's fun to set the stuff up yourself, but the custom boxes are by far more practical and energy efficient. Also they are smaller and quieter. It's probably not that bad for a NAS, based on my experience with the previous generation. I use an X3440 with an Supermicro X8SIL-F and checking just now, the whole system with 4 HDDs and an SSD included uses under 60W. The drives have to be 2/3 of that so I don't think it's possible to do much better. It's definitely larger than a Synology would be, but I don't really care since I have it stuck in the back of a walk-in closet. Noise isn't an issue with some cheap Arctic PWM fans. The aftermarket solutions have their advantages, but even coming from my old X58 system that used 70W with one drive it would take a long time to pay off a 6-drive Synology with lower electric bills. The Shield's not much better, since it is cheaper but my HTPC can sleep and use <5W when it's not in use.
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Don Dongington posted:Oh poo poo I think my launch week Z77-M-Pro just died. Update: as a Hail Mary Pass last night, I dug out my dad's old PC with an Asus Z77-M that I'd written off as dead but not gotten around to throwing out yet in it. Well as it turns out,  WE'RE BACK BABY
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Don Dongington posted:Update: as a Hail Mary Pass last night, I dug out my dad's old PC with an Asus Z77-M that I'd written off as dead but not gotten around to throwing out yet in it. Well as it turns out, Sandy Bridge can never die.
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MagusDraco posted:Sandy Bridge can never die. The Honda Civic of Intel eras.
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I've lined up a spare Z68 board if this one dies as well. If I recall, those are even more reliable.
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hobbesmaster posted:How are you connecting these drives to the rpi? This doesn’t make much sense I have some generic USB adapters for 2 WD Reds and 1 Seagate Ironwolf. Nothing name brand, but it works for me with the type of consumer workloads I have. Of course if you have something specific in mind a dedicated box will be better, but to just appear as one big drive that doesn't know anything that I move single multi gigabyte files to it works great. Edit: I just did a file transfer to make sure I wasn't remembering wrong and it was 160MB/s which seemed high so I went to my hallway and at some point I bought a Drobo for my house and forgot about it. Sorry for the confusion. craig588 fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Mar 23, 2019 |
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Telyra posted:The Honda Civic of Intel eras. I'm still gaming on a 2500k@4.2 with an almost 8 year-old P67 board and 8GB DDR3  but with an SSD and a GTX1070. Right now I'm torn between upgrading next month or waiting a few more months for Zen 2. spasticColon fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Mar 23, 2019 |
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craig588 posted:I have some generic USB adapters for 2 WD Reds and 1 Seagate Ironwolf. Nothing name brand, but it works for me with the type of consumer workloads I have. Of course if you have something specific in mind a dedicated box will be better, but to just appear as one big drive that doesn't know anything that I move single multi gigabyte files to it works great. LOL, wtf... Just a reminder everyone, take a physical look at your equipment to make sure that you are talking about the right product.
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I know why I didn't remember it. I got it free when a friend bought a building and it was included with the stuff inside. I had to think about it for a while because I didn't remember buying it. I didn't specifically need it, but I set it up since I had it. It speaks well to their quality that it's been there for so long and I've needed to do nothing to it that I forgot I even owned it.
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