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Clocks: Oct 2, 2007

SoftNum posted:

How much do they think golf costs?

I hate that I know this but my ex's dad bought a lifetime membership to a golf club he lives near for I think $80k. (Which like I'm sure a yearly golf membership would be less? But who knows.) Technically this membership can be passed down to someone else later on and it includes family guests and stuff but holy poo poo. That money could have gone to so much other stuff... but it was his and that's how he wanted to spend it.

Pretty sure any hobby can get super expensive at the top end. Honestly $2k for a desk hardly surprises me but for that money I would've picked something that was a lot more tasteful.

edit: here's my fluffball, she's turning 15 next month

Clocks fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Mar 23, 2019

# ? Mar 23, 2019 22:19

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 23:59

Quavers: Feb 26, 2016; You clearly don't understand game development

3.5 released to Open PTU, big spenders only: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/star-citizen-alpha-3-5-0-ptu-1308388-patch-notes

Crashes about to happen: https://www.twitch.tv/wtfosaurus

# ? Mar 23, 2019 22:42

colonelwest: Jun 30, 2018

TheAgent posted:

hello

faceware camera continues to face delays, might be canceled outright

supposedly CIG created a wing of the company to handle manufacturing and distribution of the camera

faceware engineers helped create the code for the first big reveal

12+ months of continued support on their end when they were supposed to help for six

some contention over payments due 3lateral / faceware (same company btw)

friction over potential losses if camera is canceled with new owners (epic bought 3lat earlier this year)

losses / lost payments total "tens of millions"

would have to sell "many units" to break even on camera

"low priority" for CIG and Epic, as numbers of potential sales look low / dire

"It was a passing fad used as a content patch. No one here thinks it's still happening."

if there's no agreement met with current issues, 3lat can stop any and all mocap footage using their rigs / technology from appearing in SC

I refuse to this believe this FUD. CIG's amazing FOIP technology is a revolutionary game changer, which will have a huge payoff as other companies line up around the block to license it.

# ? Mar 23, 2019 22:44

trucutru: Jul 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

TheAgent posted:

hello

faceware camera continues to face delays, might be canceled outright

supposedly CIG created a wing of the company to handle manufacturing and distribution of the camera

faceware engineers helped create the code for the first big reveal

12+ months of continued support on their end when they were supposed to help for six

some contention over payments due 3lateral / faceware (same company btw)

friction over potential losses if camera is canceled with new owners (epic bought 3lat earlier this year)

losses / lost payments total "tens of millions"

would have to sell "many units" to break even on camera

"low priority" for CIG and Epic, as numbers of potential sales look low / dire

"It was a passing fad used as a content patch. No one here thinks it's still happening."

if there's no agreement met with current issues, 3lat can stop any and all mocap footage using their rigs / technology from appearing in SC

But, seriously, it's just a loving camera. Like, what the gently caress? it's just a camera dawg.

# ? Mar 23, 2019 22:45

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

TheAgent posted:

hello

faceware camera continues to face delays, might be canceled outright

supposedly CIG created a wing of the company to handle manufacturing and distribution of the camera

faceware engineers helped create the code for the first big reveal

12+ months of continued support on their end when they were supposed to help for six

some contention over payments due 3lateral / faceware (same company btw)

friction over potential losses if camera is canceled with new owners (epic bought 3lat earlier this year)

losses / lost payments total "tens of millions"

would have to sell "many units" to break even on camera

"low priority" for CIG and Epic, as numbers of potential sales look low / dire

"It was a passing fad used as a content patch. No one here thinks it's still happening."

if there's no agreement met with current issues, 3lat can stop any and all mocap footage using their rigs / technology from appearing in SC

# ? Mar 23, 2019 22:46

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

# ? Mar 23, 2019 22:47

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Beet Wagon posted:

for real though do you like my new desk?

Its goddamn ugly, sorry Tumby

# ? Mar 23, 2019 22:47

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

Quavers posted:

maybe because every time chris has talked about exploration in the past almost all of it has been about jump points?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK7bmlCP6F8

quote:

Q: Can you name systems you discover?

A: When you discover a jump point, you can file a claim, and when you file a claim it can be named after you. But filing a claim makes it public, so you always have this dilemma. Do you want to keep it private, only for you and your friends, but if you keep it private and someone else finds the jump point and files the claim, then it will be named after them instead of you. So it's up to you when you discover things whether you want to share it with the world or not.

Can't wait to see them implement this one

# ? Mar 23, 2019 22:48

trucutru: Jul 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

Clocks posted:

I hate that I know this but my ex's dad bought a lifetime membership to a golf club he lives near for I think $80k. (Which like I'm sure a yearly golf membership would be less? But who knows.) Technically this membership can be passed down to someone else later on and it includes family guests and stuff but holy poo poo. That money could have gone to so much other stuff... but it was his and that's how he wanted to spend it.

Pretty sure any hobby can get super expensive at the top end. Honestly $2k for a desk hardly surprises me but for that money I would've picked something that was a lot more tasteful.

edit: here's my fluffball, she's turning 15 next month

I have bad news, your owl needs a new beak.

# ? Mar 23, 2019 22:48

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

stingtwo posted:

"removed, thought it was measured in inches, not mm"

Seriously though who the gently caress measures in "mm" when you can measure in "cm"?

# ? Mar 23, 2019 22:49

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

quote:

Q: What is there for Explorers, besides discovering jump points?

A: There's quite a few extra things we are doing for Explorers. *Interlude about 67% wanting to explore.* We started thinking about more things we could do for explorers. One of the great things about having the community involved early, you can know what is important to them. Besides just discovering jump points, there's a lot of extra stuff where any system will have some areas that are basically charted, there's a lot of areas that you will have to fly into space to map. And you could maybe discover an asteroid field, and that asteroid field may have minerals in it, and as you map it, that asteroid field will show up on your navigation map in your computer and you can send tohse points to your friends or potentially sell them to a store for them to sell to everyone else and you could get a royalty for it.

So you can do mapping beyond just discovering jump points and there are some other things we are working on the exploration but basically there's a fair amount of discovery that we're gonna let Explorers explore. So the idea is that we're going to have almost 70% of the actual usable space is unexplored. And so the Explorers can sort of fly around and a lot of it may just be empty space but then you'll occasionally find something special, an alien wreck or an asteroid field like [he] said with a mineral field, and you'll have that. Do you want to share it with your friends or not?

So about 70% of the 5 starting systems are going to be empty. How long do you think it'll take for players to find all the "hidden asteroid fields" and poo poo in there? How long to find all the hidden things that actually have any value (unlike the asteroid fields they have currently)?

# ? Mar 23, 2019 22:51

trucutru: Jul 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

Beet Wagon posted:

So about 70% of the 5 starting systems are going to be empty. How long do you think it'll take for players to find all the "hidden asteroid fields" and poo poo in there? How long to find all the hidden things that actually have any value (unlike the asteroid fields they have currently)?

In a well-designed game this would be easy to address. Asteroid fields would constantly spawn at random places, be discovered, mined out, and then disappear. Rinse, repeat.

But nothing of that matters because there will never be asteroid fields of any type to discover in SC.

# ? Mar 23, 2019 23:15

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

SoftNum posted:

I don't think Golf is that expensive? Like that desk would get you a pretty good set of clubs. Plays are just not that expensive.

like a legatus pack would likely last you at least 10 years of golf entertainment....

they pick golf because golf is "the thing rich people play". like, sure, its popular image is of expensive country clubs that you can only get into with mounds of cash, but that's just rich people being rich. there are also cheap holes that are like $20 a run, and a decent pair of clubs will cost you about as much as a decent surfboard or kayak, or less than a decent mountainbike or hangglider.

they just assume that what it looks like in media is what it is, and they have no outdoors interests to compare the actual costs to.

# ? Mar 23, 2019 23:44

Bootcha: Nov 13, 2012; Truly, the pinnacle of goaltending; Grimey Drawer

Also golf, and sports in general, is an activity where buying the best equipment doesn't make you a superstar. It make you a conversational curiosity.

Of course there is no parallel to a hobby like Star Citizen.

# ? Mar 23, 2019 23:57

MedicineHut: Feb 25, 2016

Quavers posted:

3.5 released to Open PTU, big spenders only: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/star-citizen-alpha-3-5-0-ptu-1308388-patch-notes

Crashes about to happen: https://www.twitch.tv/wtfosaurus

Less than 3 minutes watching, crash.

# ? Mar 24, 2019 00:02

monkeytek: Jun 8, 2010; It wasn't an ELE that wiped out the backer funds. It was Tristan Timothy Taylor.

Quavers posted:

3.5 released to Open PTU, big spenders only: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/star-citizen-alpha-3-5-0-ptu-1308388-patch-notes

Crashes about to happen: https://www.twitch.tv/wtfosaurus

WTF still hasn't made it to Arccorp. Every attempt has ended in a crash.

# ? Mar 24, 2019 00:02

AlbieQuirky: Oct 9, 2012; Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out

Thoatse posted:

pads and blep, 10/10

Clocks posted:

a very excellent catte

# ? Mar 24, 2019 00:12

Slow_Moe: Feb 18, 2013

Beet Wagon posted:

maybe because every time chris has talked about exploration in the past almost all of it has been about jump points?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK7bmlCP6F8

quote:
Q: Can you name systems you discover?

A: When you discover a jump point, you can file a claim, and when you file a claim it can be named after you. But filing a claim makes it public, so you always have this dilemma. Do you want to keep it private, only for you and your friends, but if you keep it private and someone else finds the jump point and files the claim, then it will be named after them instead of you. So it's up to you when you discover things whether you want to share it with the world or not.
Can't wait to see them implement this one

Uhm Captain... Navigation says we have to fly into "Kirk Johnson's Black Hole"???

# ? Mar 24, 2019 00:13

Sarsapariller: Aug 14, 2015; Occasional vampire queen

Beet Wagon posted:

So about 70% of the 5 starting systems are going to be empty. How long do you think it'll take for players to find all the "hidden asteroid fields" and poo poo in there? How long to find all the hidden things that actually have any value (unlike the asteroid fields they have currently)?

They're just going to do the hidden signal source "Random encounter" system from Elite. Scans generate little markers, warp to the marker for a pregen random encounter. We all know it. They know it too. They just won't admit it.

# ? Mar 24, 2019 00:17

monkeytek: Jun 8, 2010; It wasn't an ELE that wiped out the backer funds. It was Tristan Timothy Taylor.

WTF just failed again, nothing working.

Finally got there, FPS drops from 50 to 25 with static lights and really low poly maps.

At area 18 fps drops to 15 jittery as gently caress. no landing space.

monkeytek fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Mar 24, 2019

# ? Mar 24, 2019 00:21

Sarsapariller: Aug 14, 2015; Occasional vampire queen

Quavers posted:

3.5 released to Open PTU, big spenders only: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/star-citizen-alpha-3-5-0-ptu-1308388-patch-notes

Crashes about to happen: https://www.twitch.tv/wtfosaurus

So what'd they actually release for the big quarter-of-the-year patch? Let's take a look:

Art Assets
Something about face customization
female character models
New planet + moons (art assets)
New paint scheme for super hornet
NEWS VAN variant ship
Two new guns

Gameplay:
2 new missions + some variants
1 new quest giver for the new planet
Tweaked all the flight thrust numbers and added "Atmospheric Lift" where "Lift" is defined as "Some kind of upward thrust when you're going forward, but not really necessary, because all the ships can still hover perfectly"
Added item wear/repair (oh loving boy)

**********************

What did they cut?

Still Mentioned In Roadmap But Not In Patch Notes:
Heat system
AI Bounty Hunting in Environmental Missions
Vehicle Scanning Hud Improvements
AI Distress Beacons
Vehicle Radar v2
Quantum Travel Improvements
Vehicle Scanning Improvements
Vehicle Tech Updates v1
Groups System Improvements
VOIP & FOIP Improvements
Distortion Damage Improvements
Ship AI Flight Model Update
Ship AI Combat Behavior Improvements
Basic Gunship Behavior
FPS: Collision Avoidance V2
Ursa Rover "Fortuna"
Banu Singe Tachyon Cannon
Performance Optimization
Asynchronous Disconnection Refactor
Network OCS Stall Fixes
Projectile Manager
Hard Surface Shader Improvements

Removed:
Fuel Refining
Commarray revision
Liquid/Gas Exploration
Expanded Cargo
Data Running
Long Range Scanning
Salvage: Scanning
Salvage: Extraction
Salvage: Processing
Salvage: Selling
Buy/Sell Fuel
Fuel Transfer
Manual Repair
Ship Repair In General
Repuatation/Law System
Escort Service Beacons
FPS Combat AI Styles
FPS: Stealth v2
Flight: Quantum & Strafing
Origin 890 Jump
Banu Defender
Origin M50 Improvements
Kruger P52 Merlin Improvements
RSI Constellation Taurus
Origion 300 series variants
Some stupid gun
Some other stupid gun
Parallel Network Jobs
Lobby Refactor
Gas Cloud Tech
Object Container Streaming: Improvements

----

All in all, another one knocked out of the park! Good work CIG!

# ? Mar 24, 2019 00:30

Quavers: Feb 26, 2016; You clearly don't understand game development

monkeytek posted:

WTF just failed again, nothing working.

Finally got there, FPS drops from 50 to 25 with static lights and really low poly maps.

More static maps, and now 17FPS

# ? Mar 24, 2019 00:33

Sarsapariller: Aug 14, 2015; Occasional vampire queen

Quavers posted:

More static maps, and now 17FPS

Jesus christ that UI. Twitch poo poo stacked on game console poo poo stacked on that horrible mobiglass chat + HUD stacked on the awful Constellation UI

How does anyone look at this and go "Yes yes this is all coming along well"

I've seen 20 year old MMO interfaces that are more readable

# ? Mar 24, 2019 00:36

thebacil: Jan 31, 2019

Quavers posted:

More static maps, and now 17FPS

Im watching and this is astonishingly weak, especially love how the new flight model is still obviously awful and exactly the same

Not to mention that Arc Corp is incredibly ugly while running at 16 fps... a true achievement worthy of the 7 years.

Star Citizen makes me want to quit working in games.

# ? Mar 24, 2019 00:37

Sarsapariller: Aug 14, 2015; Occasional vampire queen

thebacil posted:

Im watching and this is astonishingly weak, especially love how the new flight model is still obviously awful and exactly the same

Nonsense didn't you hear the new flight model is AWESOME and JUST WHAT THE GAME NEEDED and IT FEELS REALLY GOOD please look at these screenshots I took while hovering in place over a planet's surface

Now wtfo has given up and is playing Star Marine

# ? Mar 24, 2019 00:40

TheLastRoboKy: May 2, 2009; Finishing the game with everyone else's continues

Quavers posted:

More static maps, and now 17FPS

Not being able to see past the screen of UI and twitch crap seems like a blessing.

# ? Mar 24, 2019 00:41

monkeytek: Jun 8, 2010; It wasn't an ELE that wiped out the backer funds. It was Tristan Timothy Taylor.

Sarsapariller posted:

Nonsense didn't you hear the new flight model is AWESOME and JUST WHAT THE GAME NEEDED and IT FEELS REALLY GOOD please look at these screenshots I took while hovering in place over a planet's surface

Now wtfo has given up and is playing Star Marine

Thing that amazed me was at first approach the planet was just a washed out muddy looking sphere with rectangles all over it, it looked like crap and people in chat were saying it was beautiful.

Then they get excited because once at area 18 the "traffic" starts moving even though it mysteriously freezes once it leaves area 18.

# ? Mar 24, 2019 00:42

ComfyPants: Mar 20, 2002

Thoatse posted:

https://i.imgur.com/qg0nDo6.mp4

https://gifsound.com/?gifv=qg0nDo6&v=tEixtZU19fw&s=60

# ? Mar 24, 2019 00:47

Amazing Zimmo: Jan 27, 2006; That's quite a load you got in them diapers

WTFO is now playing star marine against a whopping 3 people.

# ? Mar 24, 2019 00:49

Quavers: Feb 26, 2016; You clearly don't understand game development

5 seconds of broken female footage :laugh:

# ? Mar 24, 2019 01:01

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

ComfyPants posted:

https://gifsound.com/?gifv=qg0nDo6&v=tEixtZU19fw&s=60

laughing my procedural butt off

# ? Mar 24, 2019 01:08

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

Last time I bothered to pay attention you couldn't actually just quantum travel in any direction or change course while you were in QT, I wonder if that changed or how that's gonna impact "exploration"

:laffo:

if you have to do your deep space wandering in regular travel

# ? Mar 24, 2019 01:20

Quavers: Feb 26, 2016; You clearly don't understand game development

Hand fidelity :chloe:

# ? Mar 24, 2019 01:20

Quavers: Feb 26, 2016; You clearly don't understand game development

Store Citizer: a very lovely excuse to make things look bland

# ? Mar 24, 2019 01:23

Scruffpuff: Dec 23, 2015; Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

TheAgent posted:

hello

faceware camera continues to face delays, might be canceled outright

supposedly CIG created a wing of the company to handle manufacturing and distribution of the camera

faceware engineers helped create the code for the first big reveal

12+ months of continued support on their end when they were supposed to help for six

some contention over payments due 3lateral / faceware (same company btw)

friction over potential losses if camera is canceled with new owners (epic bought 3lat earlier this year)

losses / lost payments total "tens of millions"

would have to sell "many units" to break even on camera

"low priority" for CIG and Epic, as numbers of potential sales look low / dire

"It was a passing fad used as a content patch. No one here thinks it's still happening."

if there's no agreement met with current issues, 3lat can stop any and all mocap footage using their rigs / technology from appearing in SC