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McCloud posted:Lol this from the dude that draws wow fan fiction. Did I say I wasn’t? You don’t see me getting defensive here, do you?
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The Question IRL posted:ending to the Dark Knight only works as a tragedy if it is about Bruce still being Batman, while having to dodge the police. So, I guess I'm disagreeing with two of your original points: 1) I don't think The Dark Knight is actually setting up more villains in the ending 2) The Dark Knight trilogy really isn't all that cohesive at all in the one-big-story sense. It's sort of a three film evolution of Nolan's thinking on the character starting with him finding .a man who just does a bunch of push ups fighting crime being fascinating to Batman is literally an awful idea, but what he stands for is something pretty decent.
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Mar 24, 2019 20:37
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Arist posted:Why do you come to this thread just to piss people off Because he thinks being BOTL is something to aspire to.
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Mar 24, 2019 21:37
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Now that BOTL is gone there's a power vacuum that every fuckin dick on the forums fights to claim, it's just like TDKR
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Mar 24, 2019 22:01
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I like Snyder's "I want 'realistic' superheroes!", then he makes something like BvS, which is utterly unrealistic.
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Mar 24, 2019 22:38
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McCloud posted:Lol this from the dude that draws wow fan fiction. Nobody who posts on something awful is not the most grognard of nerds. And I like it that way!
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Mar 24, 2019 22:40
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Davros1 posted:I like Snyder's "I want 'realistic' superheroes!", then he makes something like BvS, which is utterly unrealistic. Oh, so cloning a giant monster from a dead alien is 'unrealistic' now. I never.
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Mar 24, 2019 22:49
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Phylodox posted:Did I say I wasn’t? You don’t see me getting defensive here, do you? He thinks he's somehow superior to us so when you point out the obvious irony in his statement he see it as an insult. He thinks to himself "How dare they!? I am nothing like THEM, I'm a BROed-out Flex Lord just like my Randian Ubermench hero Zach (who would totally love to hang out with me and bench nerds while we prove our mental superiority through debate)" But alas, he comes to this place instead, this craven pit of subhumanoids, to desperately try and prove something. Too bad we all agree he's dumb and his ideas are stupid.
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Mar 24, 2019 23:05
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I challenge McCloud to a push-up contest.
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Mar 24, 2019 23:09
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Flex Lord. That's a new one lol. Snyder is totally a jock dudebro who loves Ayn Rand amirite? 
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Mar 24, 2019 23:11
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A Challenger Appears.
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Mar 24, 2019 23:16
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No, for real. Sincerely, I do have a lot of respect for Zack Snyder, I have difficulty fitting my exercise regimen around my relatively normal job. Making mega-budgeted films while staying in good shape is legit an achievement.
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Mar 24, 2019 23:18
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Aphrodite posted:A Challenger Appears. Unsurprisingly, the same two challengers from every single discussion
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Mar 24, 2019 23:20
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Samuringa posted:Unsurprisingly, the same two challengers from every single discussion What can I say, I love me some Snyder movies  Hearing him just turbonerd the gently caress out during his charity screenings Q&As and explaining his perspective on filmmaking is great, and I hope a lot of his critics come around to hear what he has to say. It won't change their minds about his movies I'm sure, but imo it's just cool to get some insight into his thought process, even if whoever felt his approach was/is wrong.
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teagone posted:Flex Lord. That's a new one lol. Snyder is totally a jock dudebro who loves Ayn Rand amirite? Yes?
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Mar 24, 2019 23:39
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I challenge McCloud to a shut-up contest wherein he shuts up for the good of the thread. Be the hero McCloud, save the thread by not posting.
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Mar 24, 2019 23:40
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Goons help me. My.mother has asked me to pick which one of these movies to watch with me and fiancé* Ant man Antman and wasp Spiderverse** Captain Marvel Help! * she has seen all the MCU except these ones because she is whom i get my nerdiness from ** let's be honest, it's Spiderverse
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Mar 24, 2019 23:47
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The kid angle in antman might be a hit with mom (and come on you can't watch am2 before 1) but we all know the answer is gonna be spider verse
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Mar 24, 2019 23:52
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bunnyofdoom posted:** let's be honest, it's Spiderverse This is the right answer but you can’t really make a terrible choice here. But you should pick Spider-Verse.
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Mar 24, 2019 23:54
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Unkempt posted:Yes? I like that there are people who are already saying the Snyder's Fountainhead, which hasn't had a single frame shot, is an "ironic" take on the book. bunnyofdoom posted:Goons help me. My.mother has asked me to pick which one of these movies to watch with me and fiancé* Depends on what your mother likes. Mine liked the Ant-Man films, but she wouldn't sit down for Spider-Verse since it's a "cartoon".
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Mar 24, 2019 23:59
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Those are all good choices. Ant-Man is probably the easiest to digest, Spider-Verse is the best but is also super dense, and Captain Marvel is the best if you want your mom to be able to follow Marvel movies from here out.
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Mar 25, 2019 00:03
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Unkempt posted:Yes? Ok.
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Mar 25, 2019 00:13
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One of those movies requires going to the theatre, which seems like significantly more of a commitment than the others.
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Mar 25, 2019 00:14
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Phylodox posted:One of those movies requires going to the theatre, which seems like significantly more of a commitment than the others. We have a VIP theatre with full bar, reclining leather seats So she is fine going to the theater here. But yeah, Spiderverse at home seems to be the winner
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Mar 25, 2019 00:27
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Zach Snyder's take on realistic superheroism isn't really that interesting to discuss, but I will point out that his "realistic superheroes need to be brutal because that's what it requires to have a vigilante to fight what the police can't fight" assumes specifically the *realistic* existence of criminals for whom the criminal justice system is insufficiently brutal to fight. It assumes that the dream of the superhero is about only having superior firepower to real cops, and not say, avoiding being corrupt/racist the way the real police are, or being more careful in the use of lethal force, or being more altruistic/willing to put themselves at risk, or being more a part of the community being policed...
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Here's the bit from the Q&A where Snyder talks about Batman killing people and other stuff. It's better to watch than to read it; he gets all worked up and I love it. https://twitter.com/boomborks/status/1109673855402930176
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Mar 25, 2019 00:39
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Wow, he sounds like way more of an incoherent douchebag in video form.
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Mar 25, 2019 00:44
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I realize there's really only two people pushing it but holy poo poo is the Snyder chat insufferable. Kind of like his last two movies.
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Mar 25, 2019 00:44
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He sounds like lowtax
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Mar 25, 2019 00:47
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That man absolutely sounds like somebody with a stunningly visionary Justice League that we will never see.
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X-O posted:I realize there's really only two people pushing it but holy poo poo is the Snyder chat insufferable. Kind of like his last two movies. Seems pretty easy to ignore.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Goons help me. My.mother has asked me to pick which one of these movies to watch with me and fiancé* Trick question! You watch all of them because you love your mom and fiance, and watching movies together is a good bonding experience.
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"Once you've lost your virginity to this movie..." I feel like once you make that sort of point you've already lost the argument
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:He sounds like lowtax Lol. Sorta I guess.
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X-O posted:I realize there's really only two people pushing it but holy poo poo is the Snyder chat insufferable. Kind of like his last two movies. Ever see that quote of his where he said Bruce Wayne should've been raped in prison in "Batman Begins"?
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Okay to refute Snyder's point there is an inherent surrealism to both the Marvel and DC universes that even reaches the more "grounded" properties like Batman and The Punisher. Batman's rouge's gallery includes and mutant crocodile man, and hulk zombie and a shapeshifting mud man. The Punsher once hunted demons on behalf of heaven, died and was resurrected as a Frankenstein-esqe monster, and most recently fought supervillans in an offshoot of Iron Man's armor. The fact that they havn't killed anyone (or at least anyone innocent in the Punsher's case) even by accident is not the unrealistic thing about them. They have done so much weirder poo poo and live in a much weirder worlds than ours. The man difference between Marvel's Wakanda and it's DC counterpart is that with the latter it's not racist to say it's populated mostly by gorillas because it is; it's called Gorilla City for a reason. In the Marvel universe it's not uncommon for one of the richest men in the world to pal around with an actual wizard and a literal Nordic god. Now as demonstrated by The Dark Knight and The Netflix Punisher series you don't have to have this if these characters exist alone or in a relative vacuum. But with BvS Snyder tried to tie his "realistic" Batman into the wider DC universe but decided that the rest should also be "realistic" too and therein lies the problem because people like that surrealism, it's embraced by both fans and creators alike. Creators are going to want to see the Justice League visit Gorilla City and creators and Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy movies prove that the weirdness can sell. Cutting that out just eliminates a lot of opportunities for all of your properties. David D. Davidson fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Mar 25, 2019 |
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Batman does "what cops can't" because his skills and training and resources are so absurdly beyond those of any cop in the history of policing and because as a vigilante he chooses not to adhere to any rules.
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he also defies the corruption of the police in his setting, which he does by doing what they don't and... using lethal force That sure as hell rang true in 2016
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Davros1 posted:Ever see that quote of his where he said Bruce Wayne should've been raped in prison in "Batman Begins"? wait wat
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Dawgstar posted:wait wat Zack Snyder posted:Everyone says that about "Batman Begins." "Batman's dark." I'm like, "Okay, no, Batman's cool." He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn't, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that's how that would go.
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