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Other than the whole 'disappear for 2 episodes' thing, I wonder how much story they changed for New Media. I have trouble picturing Gillian Anderson being in that scene instead if she had stayed. Maybe if she was dressed as Madonna or something.
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What was the significance of Shadow Moon's journey to Cairo in the end? Wednesday seemed to indicate that it was important for him to make the journey himself but it didn't seem particularly eventful. I wondered if the person he met on the way might be important but it didn't seem so - a shame really since the show has a distinct lack of native american gods which is actually pretty surprising given the setting.
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Mar 26, 2019 09:07
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Chalks posted:What was the significance of Shadow Moon's journey to Cairo in the end? Wednesday seemed to indicate that it was important for him to make the journey himself but it didn't seem particularly eventful. I wondered if the person he met on the way might be important but it didn't seem so - a shame really since the show has a distinct lack of native american gods which is actually pretty surprising given the setting. Probably so he could meet the Blackcrow chick
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Mar 26, 2019 10:13
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Chalks posted:What was the significance of Shadow Moon's journey to Cairo in the end? Wednesday seemed to indicate that it was important for him to make the journey himself but it didn't seem particularly eventful. I wondered if the person he met on the way might be important but it didn't seem so - a shame really since the show has a distinct lack of native american gods which is actually pretty surprising given the setting. I think the Native gods are downplayed, in order to focus on how the foreign gods have struggled here. This isn't their land, only small populations of their people, etc.
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Mar 26, 2019 12:34
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The book, I think, implies the native gods are more "real" rather than born of belief. Might be wrong but I think there's something like that in there.
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Mar 26, 2019 12:37
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Media had gravitas and intelligence. New Media seems to have little intelligence which is disappointing. Also the instant tentacle sex thing was off putting. The emoji thing seems cool.... I wonder if Gillian Anderson saw this script and was like 'Yeah. No. I'm out.' :seinfieldgif:
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Mar 26, 2019 13:25
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precision posted:This last episode did have "Somewhere in America" in the parking lot cracks outside the porn palace That's not even close to what I wanted, that almost felt insulting.
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Mar 26, 2019 13:48
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Andrew_1985 posted:Media had gravitas and intelligence. New Media seems to have little intelligence which is disappointing. Also the instant tentacle sex thing was off putting. The emoji thing seems cool.... Changing the actor for New Media makes so much sense with the change in character I can't imagine the script playing out like it has if they'd kept the same person. As someone mentioned earlier, it'd be interesting to know quite how much of the script was rewritten as a result of this change.
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Mar 26, 2019 13:57
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Pretty brave to have the Asian schoolgirl get tentacle hosed I mean, it wasn't terrible, but like, just loving lmao that they did that
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Mar 26, 2019 14:17
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I dunno I think that was pretty terrible. My adoration for season 2 has steadily decreased over the progressing episodes..
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Mar 26, 2019 14:26
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It was weird because in the first full shot of New Media Kahyun Kim totally gave off Gillian Anderson energy and then they just kind of had her say computer words for the rest of the episode
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Mar 26, 2019 15:01
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Mameluke posted:It was weird because in the first full shot of New Media Kahyun Kim totally gave off Gillian Anderson energy and then they just kind of had her say computer words for the rest of the episode And she got hosed by a tentacle. Don't forget that part, it was very important to the plot.
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Mar 26, 2019 15:09
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I feel like it was presented more in terms of her loving the tentacle but yes
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Mar 26, 2019 15:13
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That whole scene with Argus was so goddamn dumb, and was only slightly redeemed by Media having an emoji-gasm and saying "But I wasn't finished!".
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Mar 26, 2019 15:32
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I'm not expecting this show to be Extra SeriousTM, considering the book was goofy in places and Ian McShane's delightful introduction of "you look at me like I hosed your mother" BUT Yeah New Media was YIKES from basically her second line on. I really feel like without the context of the novel this poo poo is just nonsensical. Even the House on the Rock felt like a wet fart, and the spectacle of it was boring. It wasn't even necessary plotwise, because season 1 already had Wednesday just. . . say who he was. I know I'm just whining. I just wish this show was better.
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Mar 26, 2019 15:51
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New Media is vapid, stupid, overly sexual, and obsessed with power, just like new media is. I can see how such subtlety may not register to TV IV Goons, the group of people who couldnt figure out that Mr. Wednesday was an aspect of Woden on a TV show called American GODS, a show about GODS.
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Mar 26, 2019 16:15
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When the book was written social media was not a thing yet, so while I'll miss Anderson I am actually glad they took the opportunity to bring the character and plot to the present. The tentacle scene was in line with other stuff that the show has done and it was obviously meant to be creepy like "new" media and surveillance are in the real world.
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Mar 26, 2019 17:32
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mycomancy posted:New Media is vapid, stupid, overly sexual, and obsessed with power, just like new media is. Hey buddy, stop spoiling that this guy named Wednesday, who has Ravens, and only one eye is Odin.
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Mar 26, 2019 18:21
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Chernabog posted:When the book was written social media was not a thing yet, so while I'll miss Anderson I am actually glad they took the opportunity to bring the character and plot to the present. The tentacle scene was in line with other stuff that the show has done and it was obviously meant to be creepy like "new" media and surveillance are in the real world. Or a more graphic visual on New Media being in bed with Surveillance. Like seriously, do y'all who bitch about shows like this even take a second to think about your criticism before you smash your face on the keyboard?
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Mar 26, 2019 18:22
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Cojawfee posted:Hey buddy, stop spoiling that this guy named Wednesday, who has Ravens, and only one eye is Odin. Neil Gaiman is as subtle as getting sounded with a drill bit.
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Mar 26, 2019 18:23
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I don't really understand...Argus? I mean I kinda get what they were trying to get across with him but it reads like it belongs in a different show than this one. He's not a god or demon or spirit. He's just a figure from one single myth where his most famous exploit was falling asleep at his job and getting killed. He never received any worship. Why does he have power? Why is he constantly reborn? Why is he suddenly some sort of surveillance entity that both factions are fighting over? It feels like there's suddenly a different ruleset in place but no one bothered updating anyone else about it. I did like New Media tho
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Mar 26, 2019 21:17
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I interpreted it like even if no one believed in him directly, his dogma is still incredibly important to the modern world, and so he had established a unique position between the old and new gods that granted him a lot of power. His identity isn't so relevant, any god or superhuman with that kind of observation aspect being could've potentially filled that role - it's not like Mad Sweeney or the Djinn are driven by belief either, I don't think.
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Mar 26, 2019 21:30
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The worst Gaiman non-subtlety is "Low-key Lyesmith." I don't think there's an eye roll big enough for that one.
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Mar 26, 2019 21:59
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Oh god yeah. What the gently caress kinda name is lyesmith
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Mar 26, 2019 22:13
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Hakkesshu posted:it's not like Mad Sweeney or the Djinn are driven by belief either, I don't think. I see the narrative concept behind the mythical thousand-eyed watchman being "updated" into a modern sci-fi militaristic surveillance monster, but it also stretches the central conceit of this story a bit. I feel like the AG "world" works best when it focuses on these old tired struggling gods as parables of the immigrant experience and not when it's going bit...urban fantasy?...with these myths.
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Mar 26, 2019 23:40
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I don't like New Media, but I think I get her as a character, and it's OK to not like something and still have it contribute as a part of a greater whole that you do like. I'll give her time.
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Mar 27, 2019 00:01
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BrianWilly posted:I don't really understand...Argus? I mean I kinda get what they were trying to get across with him but it reads like it belongs in a different show than this one. Because he's a mythological being who happened to have lots of eyes.
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Mar 27, 2019 00:10
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The idea behind Argus was that he was charged by Hera to watch over Io, who was one of Zeus' fucktoys. The thought was that because he had so many eyes at least some would be awake at a given time. He actually does make a great god of surveillance.
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Mar 27, 2019 00:21
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To be charitable I think the tentacle loving thing was meant to be meta commentary. Because the internet is full of tentacle porn or something.
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Mar 27, 2019 01:50
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precision posted:To be charitable I think the tentacle loving thing was meant to be meta commentary. Because the internet is full of tentacle porn or something. Could have just gone with like and subscribe instead of tentacle loving the first(?) Asian character.
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Mar 27, 2019 02:43
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Just you watch, it's gonna turn out that Gaiman himself wrote that scene Dude married Amanda Palmer, you know he's freaky
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Mar 27, 2019 03:00
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precision posted:Just you watch, it's gonna turn out that Gaiman himself wrote that scene Huh I've been pronouncing his name wrong for a long time then
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mycomancy posted:New Media is vapid, stupid, overly sexual, and obsessed with power, just like new media is. Ah yes the nuance and subtlety of a techno-tentacle in the vagina The thing I'm not liking so far is just the 'god of the week' thing each episode appears to now be doing. I was a little worried about this in season 1 when the vulcan episode appeared, and it looks like they're leaning into it pretty hard this time. Starting to make the story feel a bit aimless. Worse than that though is the group ostensibly 'splitting up' to do separate things, but no not really lol Laura you went on a quest and got dragged through a leprechaun horde for what appears to be literally no reason cause hey look Odin ends up being exactly where you ended up anyway. And oh hey let's leave shadow so we can go do a miniquest to stab Argus for reasons, and oh hey look at that we met up again in Cairo. What was the point? Anyway not to bitch too much, I'm enjoying the show, just seeing a lot of flaws as we go along that are bugging me.
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Mar 27, 2019 05:01
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mycomancy posted:New Media is vapid, stupid, overly sexual, and obsessed with power, just like new media is. Yeah, I think they nailed New Media perfectly.
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Mar 27, 2019 22:14
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BrianWilly posted:I don't really understand...Argus? I mean I kinda get what they were trying to get across with him but it reads like it belongs in a different show than this one.
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Mar 27, 2019 22:31
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Never read the books but Argus sounds stupid. Isn't there a minor God of watching they could have used? Maybe a Norse one, to really betray Odin?
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Mar 28, 2019 08:15
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I thought the multiple eyeballs thing was cool.  The sacrifice thing burning down the Library of Alexandria was kinda dumb, and the network cable dildo loving New Media felt kinda silly and crude, even if I get what they're going for with surveillance and new media being uh, closely connected.
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Oh I thought Argus looked great (...heh) It's simply that Argus in mythology isn't a god and Argus in history was never worshiped by anyone so I simply don't understand why he's treated like the other gods here. And I feel like we really have a set some ground rules for what sort of myth and magic is actually allowable in this world, or else it's going to fall victim to the sort of internal inconsistency that plagues a lot of other fictional settings.
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counterfeitsaint posted:the network cable dildo loving New Media felt kinda silly and crude, even if I get what they're going for with surveillance and new media being uh, closely connected. Yeah, this is how I feel too. I get what they were trying to say with it but it seems like it was added more for shock value than anything else.
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BrianWilly posted:Oh I thought Argus looked great (...heh) Wikipedia says Argus was used to represent something that was all seeing. Even though he wasn't worshipped, maybe being referenced that way is enough for him to manifest in real life.
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