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SimonCat
Aug 12, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice
Best quote:

"NYU's Caplan found the idea of sending money to patients ludicrous. "You're going to be giving out these sums of money that a lot of people never see in a year and tell them their duty is to shift it over to the out-of-network service provider?" he said. "You can't be serious.""

They are close to stating that medical bills are far out of proportion compared to what people make.

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Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008




Probably be worth stashing the money and filling bankruptcy.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

SimonCat posted:

Best quote:

"NYU's Caplan found the idea of sending money to patients ludicrous. "You're going to be giving out these sums of money that a lot of people never see in a year and tell them their duty is to shift it over to the out-of-network service provider?" he said. "You can't be serious.""

They are close to stating that medical bills are far out of proportion compared to what people make.

Is that Art Caplan, the celebrity bioethicist? dude's a colossal turd

fake edit: yeah, it's him. Dude's never met a microphone he couldn't promote himself into-and as a result the press use him as the voice/face of medical ethics. A bigger glory-hound and enabler I've never met. I have no opinion on the policy, and Caplan's reasoning is far too meaningless for his opinion to hold any weight with me (though note that earlier in the article, he says "Only in our crazy, market-driven, bureaucratic mess of a system would we think about this kind of a solution." - he's agreeing with you.)

It's not that Caplan's wrong about things, it's that he has a knack for attaching himself to big ticket policy programs (good or bad) and promoting himself off of them, leaving the field to develop as slowly as possible. I honestly can't think of a single theoretical contribution he's had aside from being involved with Jesse Gelsinger's death-something that somehow elevated his status, despite the fact that he should have prevented it. Emblematic of what's wrong with the field.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Mar 3, 2019

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Discendo Vox posted:

It's not that Caplan's wrong about things, it's that he has a knack for attaching himself to big ticket policy programs (good or bad) and promoting himself off of them, leaving the field to develop as slowly as possible. I honestly can't think of a single theoretical contribution he's had aside from being involved with Jesse Gelsinger's death-something that somehow elevated his status, despite the fact that he should have prevented it. Emblematic of what's wrong with the field.

He sounds like the Cass Sunstein of bioethics

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop
Covered California gave me two options for dental care, HMO (cheap) and PPO (several times more expensive).

Is the HMO plan way worse as far as selection goes? I found out I can keep my trusted long-time dentist with the PPO plan but I don't know if the alternative is so bad as to justify all that cost.

Specifically the company is Liberty dental plan

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop
How about HMO plans in general? For health and not just dental. For doctors I picked one of California's managed plans, LA Care, instead of Anthem Blue Cross. Anthem was going to charge more for the same coverage limits and plan.

Did I gently caress up? I forgot that this wasn't just an arbitrary choice and could greatly impact the number of places I could go.

Do only a handful of doctors and specialists take LA Care compared to tons that take Anthem? And do their places tend to be run more like a free clinic where each patient gets less attention?

I'll need to find neurologists and specialized psychiatrists that take it, and ideally have some wiggle room to vet them beforehand and be a little selective. Is that impossible with LA Care? Should I have gone with Anthem?

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

:iiam: as to which plan is best for your needs.

Provider directories posted on insurers' websites are notorious for being inaccurate--which has led to lawsuits and regulatory actions.

Add to that that insurers' contracts with providers are constantly coming up for renewal throughout the year--which leads to a provider being in-network when you sign up with that insurance, but the provider later doesn't accept your insurance.

And add to that the new normal of ultra-skinny networks--which means that even if you go to an in-network hospital, you're totally liable for paying the full cost of any non-network practitioner who treats you in an in-network facility.

The best way to gauge if the plan is right for you is to call a specific specialist, ask if s/he takes your specific plan (not just insurer, bc every insurer offers dozens of plans), then confirm the office take your insurance when you show up for each appointment.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012
Man, I hate the 8962 form.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

sullat posted:

Man, I hate the 8962 form.

If you hate it bc you didn't have insurance in 2018, just get the hardship exemption form and use Code G for the months you went without.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Willa Rogers posted:

If you hate it bc you didn't have insurance in 2018, just get the hardship exemption form and use Code G for the months you went without.

I have no strong feelings towards the 8965 form, it's just that spending several hours a day patiently explaining the delightfully simplistic form can tax (get it) even the devout supporters of the PPACA.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

I got this today for bacterial part of this terrible bacterial+fungal ear infection. It has no generic yet. Guess how much it cost me (I do have insurance, but hadn't met my deductible yet)

Only registered members can see post attachments!

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

actionjackson posted:

I got this today for bacterial part of this terrible bacterial+fungal ear infection. It has no generic yet. Guess how much it cost me (I do have insurance, but hadn't met my deductible yet)



Looks like it's $300 retail for that huge quantity of 7.5 ml, according to Goodrx.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Willa Rogers posted:

Looks like it's $300 retail for that huge quantity of 7.5 ml, according to Goodrx.

You're supposed to guess :mad:

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
I'll guess $575 if bought out of pocket no discounts, $125 with your copay?

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop
$0.69?

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

He asked how much it cost to buy, not to make.

LeeMajors
Jan 20, 2005

I've gotta stop fantasizing about Lee Majors...
Ah, one more!


actionjackson posted:

I got this today for bacterial part of this terrible bacterial+fungal ear infection. It has no generic yet. Guess how much it cost me (I do have insurance, but hadn't met my deductible yet)



Ah yes, as the father of a young child I am very familiar with ciprodex.

It's just loving cipro and decadron. :shrug:

Doesn't seem like that big of a deal for such a huge price.

Flannelette
Jan 17, 2010


Willa Rogers posted:

Looks like it's $300 retail for that huge quantity of 7.5 ml, according to Goodrx.

Costs 20 USD in Australia for 5ml, for comparison.

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Flannelette posted:

Costs 20 USD in Australia for 5ml, for comparison.

So proud to be an American. :911:

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

https://twitter.com/AlexThomasDC/status/1107069198805712897

Dammit, Joe: bring drug prices down.

Insanite
Aug 30, 2005

This piece on the life and death of Dick Dale sure has a lot of AmericanHealthcare.txt moments:

quote:

Dale continued grinding out concerts on the road despite his health problems — which also included diabetes, renal failure and vertebrae damage that made being onstage excruciatingly painful — because of medical bills. Even with insurance, the cost of buying bags and patches for his colostomy bag and other treatments required Dale to perform live. Touring was his only source of income.

“I have to raise $3,000 every month to pay for the medical supplies I need to stay alive, and that’s on top of the insurance that I pay for,” Dale told the Pittsburgh City Paper. “The hospital says change your patch once a week. No! If you don’t change that patch two times a day, the fecal matter eats through your flesh and causes the nerves to rot and they turn black, and the pain is so excruciating that you can’t let anything touch it."

However, Dale approached the painful hamster wheel of playing live with an optimistic philosophy.

Mokelumne Trekka
Nov 22, 2015

Soon.

I'm trying to find an outline of the court process after the Texas judge "struck down" the ACA last year.

Apparently it went to the 5th circuit. Are they hearing the case? What is even happening lol

Veni Vidi Ameche!
Nov 2, 2017

by Fluffdaddy

Insanite posted:

This piece on the life and death of Dick Dale sure has a lot of AmericanHealthcare.txt moments:

The man practically invented an entire sub-genre of rock ‘n’ roll, and he couldn’t afford to take care of his colostomy bag. What chance do the rest of us have?

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

American Healthcare: can you afford the cost of living?

unknown
Nov 16, 2002
Ain't got no stinking title yet!


https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/body-discovered-in-back-seat-of-family-s-car-at-hemmingford-border-crossing-1.4359687 posted:

CTV Montreal
Published Sunday, March 31, 2019 6:14PM EDT
Last Updated Monday, April 1, 2019 8:58AM EDT
The body of a man was discovered in the back seat of a vehicle driven by a Quebec family trying to cross the border at Hemmingford on Sunday morning.

According to reports, a man in his 60s and his elderly parents were driving back from Florida.

His father, in his 80s, reportedly died of a heart attack on the trip home.

Paramedics said that the man had been dead for at least two days.

The family said that the high cost of American healthcare was the reason they continued their trip back home to Canada.

The case remains under investigation by the SQ.

surf rock
Aug 12, 2007

We need more women in STEM, and by that, I mean skateboarding, television, esports, and magic.
I'm sorry if this is a bad place to ask this, but I've looked around a number of sub-forums and didn't see an obvious place to post this, so hopefully this works.

I agreed to help my dad file his taxes this year. Mom always took care of that, but she was killed in a car accident in November 2017. I think my dad used an accountant to file his taxes last year because it was easier and he wasn't sure how Mom's passing impacted the tax situation or not, but this year that wasn't a factor and I don't think he wanted to spend the money on a tax preparer again.

It was actually going swimmingly a couple of months ago until I found out that the state of Michigan never sent him his 1095-A proof of health insurance form. I pushed him to call them to ask for it, and they mailed one to him. Then I've had to push him for more than a month to scan the drat thing so that I could finish filing his taxes before the suddenly-looming deadline.

Anyway, I finally got the scanned form today and I was surprised to see my mom still listed on it as a covered individual. He paid more than $18,000 for health insurance last year (which is about as much as he had in income from his part-time work, holy gently caress).

She shouldn't still be listed, should she? And is he paying 2x what he should be paying for health insurance because the plan has two people?

tetrapyloctomy
Feb 18, 2003

Okay -- you talk WAY too fast.
Nap Ghost

surf rock posted:

She shouldn't still be listed, should she? And is he paying 2x what he should be paying for health insurance because the plan has two people?
In my experience, family coverage has been more than twice individual coverage. He needs to tell his employer to remove her from the policy, and if he did tell them that hopefully he has it in writing.

Highbrow Slick
Jul 1, 2007

it is a fool who stays alive - but such fools are we.
He needs to contact the marketplace and send them a copy of her death certificate. Michigan appears to participate in the federal marketplace, so healthcare.gov in this instance. They will likely retroactively remove her from coverage effective the date of death and he will not be responsible for her tax credits afterwards. This is how it works in California, I assume Michigan is similar.

This will, however, cause a recalculation of his gross premium and tax credit eligibility (if he received any tax credits) for all of 2018, and he may end up owing more or less to the actual insurance company for every month of 2018.

Once all of that is complete, the marketplace will most likely send him a corrected 1095-A that will likely be different from the one you have now. He will likely need to file an extension on his taxes, or file now with the incorrect 1095-A, then file an amended return later. I'm not a tax expert so sorry I don't know which method is preferred.

Highbrow Slick fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Apr 10, 2019

surf rock
Aug 12, 2007

We need more women in STEM, and by that, I mean skateboarding, television, esports, and magic.
Thank you all!

Rhesus Pieces
Jun 27, 2005

https://twitter.com/npr/status/1124312660600688640?s=21

Somethings really gotta give, and soon

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

I made the mistake of reading some comments - I know, I should know better. The astounding level of stupidity and "but big gubment" is sickening.

It's absolutely sickening that in this area of globally available information that so few people have the ability to look at the way things are done elsewhere, synthesise that and at least propose realistic solutions based on precedent set in other places. Meanwhile, it's nothing but blaming any attempt at reform and "Big Brother!" paranoia.

JustJeff88 fucked around with this message at 16:43 on May 3, 2019

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Rhesus Pieces posted:

Somethings really gotta give, and soon

Yep.

Your organs. They'll give first.

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
Made the mistake of getting my blood drawn at northwestern hospital instead of labcorp. Somehow 12 tests that would total maybe $200 cost a staggering $961. Luckily the company covers the first $1000 of my deductible so I wasn’t blown out, but there is no reason for automated blood tests in 2019 to cost nearly $1000.

Fun fact: before the BCBS negotiated rate they wanted $2300

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Flannelette posted:

Costs 20 USD in Australia for 5ml, for comparison.

But you'd actually pay A$20 due to PBS.

Reik
Mar 8, 2004

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

Made the mistake of getting my blood drawn at northwestern hospital instead of labcorp. Somehow 12 tests that would total maybe $200 cost a staggering $961. Luckily the company covers the first $1000 of my deductible so I wasn’t blown out, but there is no reason for automated blood tests in 2019 to cost nearly $1000.

Fun fact: before the BCBS negotiated rate they wanted $2300

If you did it at a facility it can be billed as an institutional claim and they tag their facility fee on all of those. Their "reasoning" is that you're paying for the general operating expenses required to maintain all of northwestern hospital. It's ridiculous.

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Ok I have a question

I'm in NY and get insurance through my employer (I have to because their cheapest lovely bronze plan is "affordable" and I'm locked out of the exchange)

BUT

I just had a revelation - am I right in thinking that I could qualify for Medicaid if I dump a large chunk of my salary into my 401k and IRA to lower my MAGI?

I have a lot in savings and could easily live off 10k or whatever in earned income with the rest going to retirement - if I did this, would I still be required to pay premiums for an employer plan? Or would the employer plan no longer be "affordable" since my reduced MAGI would render it not affordable?

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008




MAGI takes gross income. Unless you have kids it’s pretty hard to get unless you wanna live super poor.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Invalid Validation posted:

MAGI takes gross income. Unless you have kids it’s pretty hard to get unless you wanna live super poor.

I don't think this is correct; MAGI = Modified Adjusted Gross Income, and includes offsets to income from retirement-account contributions.

I posted in the tax-questions thread in BFC last year asking if the new tax law changed this for ACA-subsidy purposes and the answer was no. And when I used tax sw to do my 2018 return, that was indeed the case (retirement contributions offset adjusted gross income).

All that said, I'm self-employed and not an employee, so EugeneJ should prolly ask the BFC tax thread to clarify the rules for employees' qualifying for a subsidized plan on the marketplace and opting out of employer-provided coverage. The reddit sub r/tax would be another place to ask.

cowtown
Jul 4, 2007

the cow's a friend to me

EugeneJ posted:

I just had a revelation - am I right in thinking that I could qualify for Medicaid if I dump a large chunk of my salary into my 401k and IRA to lower my MAGI?

I don't know if this varies from state to state, but the documentation from Oregon's Medicaid program suggests that you do deduct 401(k), 403(b), and IRA contributions from income in determining Medicaid eligibility.

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Spacewolf
May 19, 2014
Everything about Medicaid varies by state, pretty much.

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