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bob dobbs is dead posted:I'm not actually the peep that the original person asking for a toxx was responding to Lmao
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Mar 30, 2019 16:27
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"whoops the economic growth slowed of our nation slowed by .2 percent guess it's time for warlord era 2"
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Mar 30, 2019 16:29
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Dreddout posted:"whoops the economic growth slowed of our nation slowed by .2 percent guess it's time for warlord era 2" "economic growth reversed, the last time that happened the regular army almost had to be called and we're doing a genocide on the ethnic group that was involved right now in part to prevent that from happening again" and yeah, warlord era 2: electric boogaloo is prolly gonna try to happen. it may get crushed, sure
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Mar 30, 2019 16:45
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so is people lusting for a few dozen million deaths in China like a regular thing in this thread
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Mar 30, 2019 16:47
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Mar 30, 2019 18:08
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bob dobbs is dead posted:"economic growth reversed, the last time that happened the regular army almost had to be called and we're doing a genocide on the ethnic group that was involved right now in part to prevent that from happening again" ah well nevertheless
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Mar 30, 2019 19:09
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What the gently caress is the scenario where China completely collapses overnight but the US and Russia don’t? Like, recession? Sure? Civil unrest? Maybe. But it’s actually really loving hard for a country of the size of China to go down entirely. I mean poo poo, the Soviet Union fell and they had reorganized successor states in a few years.
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Mar 30, 2019 19:13
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the fall of the Soviet Union was that most peaceful (in a relative sense) dissolution of a nation of its size, and it speaks to its stability that it went out like it did, considering what was more likely based on similar incidents
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Mar 30, 2019 19:25
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Lightning Knight posted:What the gently caress is the scenario where China completely collapses overnight but the US and Russia don’t? Like, recession? Sure? Civil unrest? Maybe. But it’s actually really loving hard for a country of the size of China to go down entirely. I mean poo poo, the Soviet Union fell and they had reorganized successor states in a few years. it's rooted in the historical memory of bureaucratic-feudalistic dynastic cycles in China where state collapses took place every few centuries or so, and more recently, the cultural memories of the chaos during the era of warlords and living memory of the cultural revolution obviously, the People's Republic had long broken out of that cycle and advanced into socialism Typo has issued a correction as of 19:30 on Mar 30, 2019 |
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Mar 30, 2019 19:26
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the fall of the Soviet Union was also rooted in one of comrade Lenin's few mistakes: that of the nationalities question, comrade Stalin had the better approach imo
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Mar 30, 2019 19:27
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gradenko_2000 posted:the fall of the Soviet Union was that most peaceful (in a relative sense) dissolution of a nation of its size, and it speaks to its stability that it went out like it did, considering what was more likely based on similar incidents Yeah it was pretty impressive that the Russians took the route of suicidal alcoholism instead of civil war during the collapse of Soviet...because the Russkies are hardcore motherfuckers. I think the (relative) lack of racial tension helped. So the moral of the story is make sure you only have one majority race and religion before you dissolve your country. tino has issued a correction as of 19:56 on Mar 30, 2019 |
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Mar 30, 2019 19:53
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Typo posted:it's rooted in the historical memory of bureaucratic-feudalistic dynastic cycles in China where state collapses took place every few centuries or so, and more recently, the cultural memories of the chaos during the era of warlords and living memory of the cultural revolution Nah Chinese dynasty usually last about 3 hundred years. The current dynasty is only 70 years old.
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Mar 30, 2019 19:58
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Lightning Knight posted:What the gently caress is the scenario where China completely collapses overnight but the US and Russia don’t? Like, recession? Sure? Civil unrest? Maybe. But it’s actually really loving hard for a country of the size of China to go down entirely. I mean poo poo, the Soviet Union fell and they had reorganized successor states in a few years. Where the poster who postulates it is loving stupid. I'm a wizard. Here i go waving my magic wand, and now china's "failing" in some nebulous way, their currency is hyperinflating or something and now they're in a liquidity crisis. Here's One Weird Trick for resolving that liquidity crisis:  literally: Build A Fiscal Wall And Make America (and the EU) Pay For It. that's stupid and reductive and won't happen IRL for the same reason "china collapse" won't happen, but that's a crayon-sketch of the dynamic. I have entirely predictable and not a little bit hypocritical US-centric attitudes towards certain PRC state policies but I really gotta give it up: the PRC has utterly demonstrated the hilarious uselessness of imperial armies and nuclear weapons in an age of global finance and JIT inventory. one of these days someone should really get around to writing a theory of political economy based on the control of those factors--the "means of production" if you will. lmao.
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Mar 30, 2019 20:18
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tino posted:Nah Chinese dynasty usually last about 3 hundred years. this is untrue, even the lengthiest Chinese dynasties, such as the Qing and the Tang, fell under 300 years. The only dynasty IIRC which exceeded 300 was the Han, but even then there's the West-East Han divide and you could argue it was really two separate dynasties back to back. quote:The current dynasty is only 70 years old.
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Mar 30, 2019 20:31
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why cant we have nice things
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Mar 30, 2019 20:39
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Tell that to Eternal Leader Winnie the Pooh
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Mar 30, 2019 20:40
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Darkest Auer posted:Tell that to Eternal Leader Winnie the Pooh https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1111383962218196992 instead of getting the cool railway builders we get the lovely fuerdai that buy up all the real estate. china isnt sending their best folks
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Mar 30, 2019 20:46
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Italy and railways is not the best metaphor available
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Mar 30, 2019 20:55
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California: well we didn't want high speed rail anyways
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Mar 30, 2019 21:26
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I meant to ask this here rather than the D&D thread: Anyone have sources that can give me a solid overview of Wang Huning's policies and vision for the PRC? I don't know jack about the guy but now I have to defend China's policy's from his point-of-view in class.
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Mar 31, 2019 18:26
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Kassad posted:so is people lusting for a few dozen million deaths in China like a regular thing in this thread Tbf historically that happened like every deacade or two it seems
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Mar 31, 2019 18:58
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Fleetwood posted:I meant to ask this here rather than the D&D thread: That seem to be a pretty stupid debate assignment. Wang according to wiki is just a propaganda arm that came up with slogans for the top men. You can't defend it if the CCP doesn't actually practice it. Plus his slogans for Hu and Xi are not the consistent. Tell your professor to go back to party school.
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Mar 31, 2019 20:00
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Yeah, I chose to defend China in the three-way debate and Wang Huning was the only one I could get that wouldn't put everyone against me automatically (since no one knows a thing about him)
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Mar 31, 2019 20:31
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Fleetwood posted:I meant to ask this here rather than the D&D thread: Just read my posts
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Mar 31, 2019 20:41
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Mar 31, 2019 20:48
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Typo posted:Just read my posts lol I considered this, or at least the syntax, but I'm not gonna pass off another's poetry as my own
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Mar 31, 2019 20:56
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Fleetwood posted:Yeah, I chose to defend China in the three-way debate and Wang Huning was the only one I could get that wouldn't put everyone against me automatically (since no one knows a thing about him) Well come up with a plan to explain why propaganda is cool and good for modern China. Also defending "China Dream" is easy. It's a rip off of the "American Dream" with Chinese characteristic. Just find philosophical reading of American Dream (including all the exceptionalism crap) and do a global search and replace with "American".
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Mar 31, 2019 21:36
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Typo posted:Just read my posts Dude you are not supposed to talk to the camera. 4th wall broken!
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Mar 31, 2019 21:37
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tino posted:Well come up with a plan to explain why propaganda is cool and good for modern China. Thanks. I've already had with some success on this front with classmates. Makes me sad that most of them have come into the class thinking of China as "bad" and that the only solution is forcing China to honor Facebook and capitalist democracy. edit: I think a lot of it is that many of them are Globalization/Business majors, so they react negatively to any inhibitions on markets. My concentrations are kinda unique, so I don't have that baggage Typo posted:in many ways the National People's Congress is more democratic than the US congress, for instance in US two parties who are the same control everything and rig the political system against third party challengers like joe stein as well as "rebellious" member like Bernie sanders. This is one of the things I'm looking for. How do elections work in China?
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Mar 31, 2019 23:31
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personally i hope Fleetwood becomes a genuine Xi Jinping Thought Maoist as a direct result of Typo's posts
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Mar 31, 2019 23:37
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as the rest of us should, really
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Mar 31, 2019 23:38
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Fleetwood posted:I meant to ask this here rather than the D&D thread: i'm loath to do your homework for you but here quote:In 1988, Wang spent six months in the US as a visiting scholar, traveling over 30 cities and nearly 20 universities. Back from the trip, he wrote “America against America,” a 400-page Tocqueville-style personal memoir of his impressions of American life, from the economy to politics to society. The idea, Wang wrote, was to compare the real America he saw against the imagined America that many Chinese have gone to extremes to either admire or despise. Neoconservatism and the End of the Dengist Era Neo-Left and Neo-Right in Post-Tiananmen China Sirens of the Strongman: Neo-Authoritarianism in Recent Chinese Political Theory i think these academics overemphasize confucianism but there are still interesting nuggets in there.
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Apr 1, 2019 02:47
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Thanks! It was mostly done already, I just needed some more stuff to supplement what I had.
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Apr 1, 2019 18:21
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This is really good stuff. The class is geared toward criticizing China and most of our sources, ironically, are restricted. Much obliged
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Apr 1, 2019 18:24
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https://twitter.com/ShaolinTom/status/1112767576294211584
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Apr 2, 2019 05:54
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Venom Snake posted:china has the ability to internally produce a lot of stuff (dunno about food tho) so if number go down they can still provide for people via central planning, now the west? uhhh not so much. will be interesting to see how china deals with the western economy imploding again in a few years lol 2008 financial collapse definitely caused a mass emigration of recent college graduates to asia funny when western people do it they're expats but if browns do it they're refugees Modest Mao has issued a correction as of 06:17 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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Apr 2, 2019 06:14
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drat they need to start doing some of that socialism then
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Apr 2, 2019 06:17
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Modest Mao posted:2008 financial collapse definitely caused a mass emigration of recent college graduates to asia What you're looking for is expat vs immigrant.
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Apr 2, 2019 06:25
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Modest Mao posted:2008 financial collapse definitely caused a mass emigration of recent college graduates to asia It's "economic migrants" (bad!), not "refugees" (tolerable, but it would just be so costly to welcome them all, you know...).
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Apr 2, 2019 06:25
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Fleetwood posted:Thanks. I've already had with some success on this front with classmates. Makes me sad that most of them have come into the class thinking of China as "bad" and that the only solution is forcing China to honor Facebook and capitalist democracy. China's system reminds me of early US pre/post constitution where higher bodies nominate candidates for lower bodies to vote on, all the way to the top, but no direct local voting in higher positions. Also it's gotten easy to pay for privilege It does rule that ethnic minorities get a minimum number of seats, but a lot of countries figured that out and it's impossible in the cracker devil nation
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Apr 2, 2019 06:26
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