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odiv
Jan 12, 2003

AlternateNu posted:

IDW promo High Tide and Bribery feat. Duck Faygo be premium goodness.
Oh yeah, that Acquire looks sweet! Thanks for the suggestion.

What GRN cards is everyone putting in? Experimental Frenzy's looking like a good contender. Trostani Discordant is nice for GW tokens or just nice in general. Thinking about maybe trying Demotion, since it can be good for aggro decks or to just to shut down random activated abilities.

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WhiteWolf123
Jun 18, 2008

The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.

quote:

It's not a hard sell to get people to want to use a more modern site that is actually going to be maintained moving forward.

It will be maintained moving forward. Everything that it can do now it will continue to be able to do.

It's just capped on which available features can be developed for it because of how it was coded. Mobile features and the like aren't compatable with the current framework.

But Ben will continue to maintain the site, and it'll continually be updated with the most current card pool, and all the current features will continue to work.

The sky is not falling, and CubeTutor will continue to be able to do what it does for us right now, which is to be far and away the best tool for organizing and mock-drafting cubes.

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!

WhiteWolf123 posted:

The sky is not falling, and CubeTutor will continue to be able to do what it does for us right now, which is to be far and away the best tool for organizing and mock-drafting cubes.

For now :smuggo:.

From a design perspective, it's the best out there but leaves a LOT to be desired. I'm not really thrilled to invest in using a tool that I know is probably never going to improve again.

I'm plugging away at my competitor site. The core skeleton of the site is framed out, it's all dockerized and primed for cloud hosting, and I have the database schema nailed down. Today was spent developing the user and authentication services, a prerequisite for setting up the profile model that will be the core of the thing.

I have my application in to get tcgplayer API access. I'm not looking to facilitate selling or trading this time, so I figure it shouldn't be an issue, and I wouldn't mind making a couple bucks from affiliate sales links.

If I can keep up this pace, I should have a first prototype up by the end of the month, then I can worry about making it pretty.

The sky isn't falling, but I feel like a lot of people would take an interest in switching over to something more modern-looking that runs smoothly and has the promise of adding features and being maintained properly. Especially if I build an import tool that's compatible with what you can export from CubeTutor so they can make the change with minimal effort (which is on my initial feature list).

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!
This project has made me loving loathe split cards and DFCs. They are an absolute nightmare to parse to sync the card data.

I've spent like 3 days just tracking down exceptions to normal card behavior:
  • TCGPlayer is returning a full list of products for a set, not just cards, so I have to exclude all the various precon decks, boosters, boxes, etc.....but they've been named a million different things over the years
  • Split cards hiding some normal card data in a "card_faces" list attribute (e.g. CMC), but other data is formatted like "Type -- Line 1 // Type -- Line 2" in the normal data layer.....loving CHOOSE A CONVENTION AND STICK TO IT :psyboom:
  • Accents in card names not matching normalized names TCGPlayer uses (e.g. "Dandân" vs. "Dandan")
  • Sets that include weird extra naming poo poo like "Plains (234) - Full Art" or "Urza's Mine (Mouth)"....this one's at least forgivable, and I found a pretty clever solution to solve every variation at once in about 3 lines of code :dance:
  • Sets that take it a step further and don't even follow a predictable parenthetical format (e.g. cards in World Championship Decks are "Card Name - Long-rear end Name of the Deck It's In")......I just exclude these sets and gently caress you if these are in your cube for now, maybe I'll fix it later if I get enough complaints
  • Just some bullshit sets in general I need to exclude (e.g. APAC Lands, Oversized Cards, whatever JingHe Age Token Cards are....poo poo that should never be in a cube anyway)

I'm sure there are still a few last corner cases to track down, I'm rerunning the sync task again as I write this.

This is after a lot of huge logistical problems with syncing ~39,000 cards at once with two external API services, but I solved that and can do it in about 11 minutes now with only 1 call to Scryfall and about 400 to TCGPlayer. I think it's as efficient as I can make it.

Anyway, just wanted to vent about how frustrating magic card data is to work with, and I guess give an update to anyone following the project that this is coming along. Once I get the card catalog and pricing sync working 100%, things will go a lot faster.

BaronVonVaderham fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Nov 7, 2018

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Just LOL if your cube lands are not all APACs or Gurus

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!
Final night of debugging is complete, I can now sync all ~39,000 cards in about 11 minutes. gently caress whoever wrote the TCGPlayer and Scryfall APIs, but I'm hoping having everything 100% automated gives me an edge over most other sites that add new cards and sets manually and have all sorts of pricing errors as a result of mismatched set codes and poo poo.

On to the actual fun part that should go a lot quicker: Letting a user assemble a cube from this catalog! I already have the user account stuff in place (though I want to see if I can facilitate logging in with facebook or google accounts), really this is all that's left before I have to actually construct the UI, then I should be ready to recruit some testers.

aborn
Jun 2, 2001

1, 2, woop! woop!

BaronVonVaderham posted:

Final night of debugging is complete, I can now sync all ~39,000 cards in about 11 minutes. gently caress whoever wrote the TCGPlayer and Scryfall APIs, but I'm hoping having everything 100% automated gives me an edge over most other sites that add new cards and sets manually and have all sorts of pricing errors as a result of mismatched set codes and poo poo.

May be a bit late to be of any help, but I use http://mtgjson.com/ as a source of "truth" for my site, http://metadeck.me. Might be more accurate than relying on TCG alone in your project.

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!

aborn posted:

May be a bit late to be of any help, but I use http://mtgjson.com/ as a source of "truth" for my site, http://metadeck.me. Might be more accurate than relying on TCG alone in your project.

I tried using them originally, but the problem I was trying to solve that CubeTutor has is it misses pricing on a million cards, especially promos. The solution is to use tcgplayer as the base data for naming, set codes, etc, then augment the model with card data from scryfall.

I could probably replace scryfall with mtgjson, but I actually switched to using scryfall's big data dump jsons instead of querying each card on its own for details, so it's the same thing in the end.

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!
Updating my cube list. Came up with 9 cards to swap out:



Mostly new stuff printed since my last update, but I'm finally adding in Abyss and baby Liliana.

Still plugging along at the site. I have the back-end done and I'm working on building the UI now, which is slow-going (building it in Vue.js may have been a bit ambitious).

I need to come up with a final name. A friend suggested "CardboardCube", and I've been using that as a placeholder for now, but it doesn't wow me. Any ideas?

Abhorrence
Feb 5, 2010

A love that crushes like a mace.
Scattershot brainstorming here, but if you want something "clever", where cleverness is a pun, you could go with a "cubed" reference, as in "raised to the power of 3" like "CardboardCubed", or something like "C Cubed", "MtG Cubed", or "M Cubed". This has the advantage of a built in acronym: C^3, or C3.

The other pun based idea is something off of "Cubicle" like MtgCubical or even just the simple "The Cubical".

Hope those help, I'm not a marketing expert.

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!

Abhorrence posted:

Scattershot brainstorming here, but if you want something "clever", where cleverness is a pun, you could go with a "cubed" reference, as in "raised to the power of 3" like "CardboardCubed", or something like "C Cubed", "MtG Cubed", or "M Cubed". This has the advantage of a built in acronym: C^3, or C3.

The other pun based idea is something off of "Cubicle" like MtgCubical or even just the simple "The Cubical".

Hope those help, I'm not a marketing expert.

My girlfriend actually made a very similar suggestion, given my math background I love the idea of using Something3. Definitely leaning in that direction, and you had a few that weren't on my list!

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

The Big C
Cubetastic
No Maros Club

Lawnie
Sep 6, 2006

That is my helmet
Give it back
you are a lion
It doesn't even fit
Grimey Drawer
YouCube

Pontius Pilate
Jul 25, 2006

Crucify, Whale, Crucify

PornCube

a dozen swans
Aug 24, 2012
All the best mtg services are named after Magic cards. Unfortunately, there are no cards with cute names reminiscent of Cubing. Good luck!

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

a dozen swans posted:

All the best mtg services are named after Magic cards. Unfortunately, there are no cards with cute names reminiscent of Cubing. Good luck!

Thank you for this advice! In sticking with the theme of "garbage" I am now renaming my cube "Delif's Cube".

suicidesteve
Jan 4, 2006

"Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.


Doubling Cube

odiv
Jan 12, 2003

cube.cube.cube
(is there a .cube?)

Or you could jump on the like 2003 bandwagon and go with something like cu.be

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Is there a way to get into the cubeamaji resealable booster packs? It doesn't seem like they are letting more preorders in.

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!
I backed the kickstarter and the last few updates have been about shipping issues that have seriously delayed fulfillment. They may have shut things down until they get caught up.

BaronVonVaderham fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Nov 23, 2018

Silhouette
Nov 16, 2002

SONIC BOOM!!!

Use these instead:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Chinese-Ne...W4AAOSwopRYkzDO

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!
They're FINALLY here. At least they seem to be worth the wait, very high quality.



Brownhat
Jan 25, 2012

One cannot be a good person and enforce unjust laws.


WhiteWolf123 posted:

The sky is not falling, and CubeTutor will continue to be able to do what it does for us right now, which is to be far and away the best tool for organizing and mock-drafting cubes.

CubeTutor already doesn't support my Unstable Cube, my hopes of another site doing so are pretty low.

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!

Brownhat posted:

CubeTutor already doesn't support my Unstable Cube, my hopes of another site doing so are pretty low.

Mine will! It's actually the biggest source of frustration I've had, as most of the sync errors were being caused by various Un- set cards.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

odiv posted:

cube.cube.cube
(is there a .cube?)

Or you could jump on the like 2003 bandwagon and go with something like cu.be

sadly cu.be is already taken by some boring tech site.

delif.cu?

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!
Exactly why I'm building this site (and automating it): I've been checking daily to update my cube on CubeTutor to reflect that I replaced a bunch of cards with shiny new UMA Box-Toppers. Today, a week and a half after release of the set (38 days after the box-toppers were announced.....tcgplayer had them listed the next day), CubeTutor has finally added UMA and Box-Toppers to the site.

He's not even keeping up with basic data poo poo for new sets at this point.

EDIT: JFC I just noticed they let their certs lapse and don't support https anymore. Dude straight doesn't give a gently caress anymore does he.

BaronVonVaderham fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Dec 12, 2018

a dozen swans
Aug 24, 2012
Anyone gonna be at GP Vancouver next week? I'll be hosting a 10 person draft or two of my very unorthodox cube. It's a massive exercise in hubris, an attempt to blend my favourite things about Legacy with my favourite things about retail limited. I have a handful of people from my crew but it's so fun to cube with other cube designers so I'm asking here before I find people at the event.

Procrastinator
Aug 16, 2009

what?


a dozen swans posted:

Anyone gonna be at GP Vancouver next week? I'll be hosting a 10 person draft or two of my very unorthodox cube. It's a massive exercise in hubris, an attempt to blend my favourite things about Legacy with my favourite things about retail limited. I have a handful of people from my crew but it's so fun to cube with other cube designers so I'm asking here before I find people at the event.

I'm playing the main event but I assume I'll be free on Sunday. Not really a cube designer but eh.

also don't have PMs but i hang around in the mtg IRC/discord if that's relevant.

a dozen swans
Aug 24, 2012

Procrastinator posted:

I'm playing the main event but I assume I'll be free on Sunday. Not really a cube designer but eh.

also don't have PMs but i hang around in the mtg IRC/discord if that's relevant.
Yeah, I'm not playing but some friends are, so I'm doing the cube draft on Sunday, and the ones who aren't somehow in day 2 will join. Goons welcome, a person or two from your squad welcome too if they're cool. PM me on discord I guess - chaitealatte#2508.

Maha
Dec 29, 2006
sapere aude
Today I learned that Looter il-Kor is not a good discard outlet for the Eldrazi + instant reanimation combo.

odiv
Jan 12, 2003

Some still work! Like Scarab God or Makeshift Manniquin. But I'm guessing you more meant Shallow Grave.

Earlier I had an opponent vote Carnage on their Coercive Portal while I had Avacyn, Angel of Hope out. :doh:

And I let a Treachery resolve targeting my Whisperwood Elemental. That was a fun one.

odiv fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Jan 9, 2019

muon
Sep 13, 2008

by Reene

a dozen swans posted:

Anyone gonna be at GP Vancouver next week? I'll be hosting a 10 person draft or two of my very unorthodox cube. It's a massive exercise in hubris, an attempt to blend my favourite things about Legacy with my favourite things about retail limited. I have a handful of people from my crew but it's so fun to cube with other cube designers so I'm asking here before I find people at the event.

Happen to have a list? Sounds like an interesting blend.

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!
Why I never scoop, exhibit A:



My opponent had the Crucible + Strip Mine lock, and he suddenly STOPPED USING IT, letting me get to 5 mana to win.

He just conceded game 2 immediately after we drew our opening hands, pretty sure he was mega-tilted by his own stupidity.

I sort of get it, he wanted to play his splashy poo poo, and winning by attacking me with a deathtouch Snake for 20 turns isn't exciting....but come on, you hit me with Duress, you know I don't actually need that many lands to escape, don't give me that opening.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

I picked up a Quiver to hold my cube. Besides the weird DHL international shipping problem, the actual product is great. Holds my standard cube plus around 30 basics sleeved. Extra space on top for dice and other junk. And then I was keeping it on the floor of my scooter while driving and it fell on the ground. And it survived!

Cube on left, lands on right, tokens unsleeved (I've though about putting them in penny sleeves but...nah.) Still need to pick up those cube booster packs but I hope that will happen in a month.


Closed, it is about the size of a flute case. Shoulder pack makes it easy to carry and the little zipper holster is there so one zipper can't magically unzip itself I think.


New tokens from cubeamajig. I thought about getting all custom tokens for the cube but I like some of the real arts more.



I'm reworking about 10% of the cards and getting in all foils for reworks takes time.
The B/W enchantment theme wasn't pulling its weight so, instead of just killing it...why not add a 2nd layer to it?


To really make this work in WB, I had to get all the good limited white zombies from Amonkhet block, which...there are like 4. But they're good filler!

I played it a couple times for the first time with non-friends at an LGS and...I think I made UR tempo too good. Because there was always enough for 2-3 people to play it and do consistently better than everyone else. I think their answers were just a little bit better than the other colors, and at lower costs. So I'm going to try and make the UG and UB archtypical spells a bit more enticing.

Link to cube if anyone wants to see. Once the final foils come in I'll update to its current state: http://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/13649

GoutPatrol fucked around with this message at 12:28 on Mar 31, 2019

Brownhat
Jan 25, 2012

One cannot be a good person and enforce unjust laws.


I'm still annoyed that Cube Tutor just doesn't work with my Unstable cube.

The Quiver seems neat...do you mean 30 of each basic land? I'm currently using the Dex Protection Supreme Game Chest for my cube. Mine's a little too big for the Quiver.

Also, who's the kind of idiot who buys a foil Richard Garfield for his cube? This guy.

odiv
Jan 12, 2003

Hey here's a card for you, Gout: https://twitter.com/GLHFMagic/status/1112372136184700930?s=19

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Brownhat posted:

I'm still annoyed that Cube Tutor just doesn't work with my Unstable cube.

The Quiver seems neat...do you mean 30 of each basic land? I'm currently using the Dex Protection Supreme Game Chest for my cube. Mine's a little too big for the Quiver.

Also, who's the kind of idiot who buys a foil Richard Garfield for his cube? This guy.

30 basics for each. Which seems like a lot, but then you have somebody trying to jam mono-W and you need it. Whenever I get a another foil basic I just sleeve it up and throw it in.


It is interesting but I don't know if I would put it in. I'm trying to limit the amount of mechanics because I play with less experienced people most of the time.

Brownhat
Jan 25, 2012

One cannot be a good person and enforce unjust laws.


GoutPatrol posted:

30 basics for each. Which seems like a lot, but then you have somebody trying to jam mono-W and you need it. Whenever I get a another foil basic I just sleeve it up and throw it in.

I have 40 of each basic in my Unstable cube.

I think a lot of cards from War are gonna get added to cubes.

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

WAR feels like it was designed specifically to cater to people who like building cubes, these spoilers are excellent.

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logis
Dec 30, 2004
Slippery Tilde
Cube list.

http://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/137484

For a long time, it had just been Legacy cube. But after EMA, which I think is one of the best sets (for drafting) ever, I added a bunch of graveyard/discard outlets and payoffs. I have only done one draft of it so far, but several people put together madness/reanimator/Survival decks, which was neat. Winner had Survival; if he drew it, it was pretty nuts.

Posting here mostly for advice on how to make it better. Some notes:

1. There is a Vintage sideboard. Moxes, Conspiracies, etc. All the broken cards (Do you take Black Lotus, Blacker Lotus, or Backup Plan out of your P1P1 pack??). If a really strong card is not included, it is likely in the Vintage sideboard. Strong equipment is intentionally left out (Jitte, Most swords) as any creature + sword is not really an interesting combo (I think of one game where I was stuck on 3 lands, 1 creature, and U/G sword. I still rolled my opponent who played like 8 spells, but his U/G deck couldnt interact with my Pro-U/G creature).

2. Looking for more combos and payoffs. That was the part that I think I really liked about EMA. Rewards for deck building, vs just jamming powerful cards. Graveyard Masters was fun. Keyword-soup does happen to mash all the themes, but then, I think Time Spiral was fine!

3. Not sure what to do about white. It has a Humans theme, but that's about it.

4. Other themes (that I tried to put it):
UR spells
Wx Humans
Bx Zombies (Eternalize etc helps here in other colors)
BR / BU / BG Madness/Reanimator (cool to find some gems like Mask of Memory)
Gx Ramp
R aggro
W aggro
Bx sacrifice

What other themes could W / U / G that might fit? I'm not sure; maybe Wx tokens / swarm?

5. Tried to keep the curve low, planeswalkers very few. Intentionally few expensive cards in each color (CC > 4) besides green, which gets a bit more. Try to support aggro and combo. Midrange always happens, so no reason to support it by having a bunch of planeswalkers and CC > 4 cards.

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