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El Gallinero Gros posted:I'm glad someone else caught that. Yes - It's right there. In spite of the pseudo-science plot arguments, the message remains clear that we're worrying/batttling/compromising our ourselves into oblivion. We hate ourselves? Digging deeper: https://www.britannica.com/biography/R-D-Laing#ref839299 Serious Party Gods fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Mar 30, 2019 |
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It sounds nerdy as gently caress but the opening credits theme reminded me a lot of the music of Nier, which was meant to sound like a mix of Japanese and English millennia in the future. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kJYbU2D4wgM I suppose Nier is also about souls/minds driven mad while seeking their 'rightful place'. bewilderment fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Mar 30, 2019 |
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There are so many great things about this movie, but it feels like Peele took a big poo poo all over them with the dumb, cringey deus ex machina of having Red just explain the whole plot and setting at the end. It's exactly the kind of gross plot crap you'd find in an anime.
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Bert of the Forest posted:Visual that’s still stuck in my head: I loved him in this. The part where Shadow Josh goes to look for Gabe on the boat and kinda strikes a "Well this is a fine state of affairs" when he can't find him at firstpose had the friend I saw this with laughing hard. I also thought the OJ Simpson line was interesting, given how much of Peele's work looks to talk about race in America.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:deus ex machina That's not what that means.
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LesterGroans posted:That's not what that means. Well she was presumably lowered into the set by the golden escalator... /s
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Bert of the Forest posted:Visual that’s still stuck in my head: Shadow Josh/"Tex" was really just Tim Heidecker's natural state Speaking of names anyone catch that all the Tethered clones have names, as indicated by the credits. While only the family's name is given diegetically by Red, the credits list alternate names for the clones, like Josh/"Tex" and Kitty/"Dahlia". The twins follow the naming convention of Jason/Pluto being a Greek mythological figure and astronomical bodies, being named Io and Nix. The Tethered in the boardwalk all have names, my favorites being the vendor carnie that gives Adelaide the Thriller shirt is name "Danny/Tony", another The Shining reference, and the girl playing rock-paper-scissors is credited as "Nancy/Syd".
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This movie occupies a similar space as Annihilation for me, in that it’s a really cool mess of a movie with a beautifully choreographed clone fight at the end. I already can’t remember most of Annihilation’s plot but recall a few scenes vividly, and I expect this will be the same.
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Esme posted:This movie occupies a similar space as Annihilation for me, in that it’s a really cool mess of a movie with a beautifully choreographed clone fight at the end. I already can’t remember most of Annihilation’s plot but recall a few scenes vividly, and I expect this will be the same. Annihilation's aged really well imo, but I just don't see that being the case with Us.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Annihilation's aged really well imo, but I just don't see that being the case with Us. It's like a year old.
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I think the last time I was in a movie theater was for Get Out, and this really came close to capturing the same brilliance, but I get people's issue with the ending. Given the surreal allegorical theme of dual identity it shouldn't be a fault to stay ambiguous.
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This movie had some great stuff going on visually but whew that ending was a mess. edit: It might be nothing, but one thing I want to think about some more is the distinctly American undercurrent of paranoia that pops up here and there. Between the tunnels, the mention of flouride mind control, body doubles, and the white rabbit imagery there's a lot of conspiracy theory staples. Grizzled Patriarch fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Mar 31, 2019 |
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Interesting and not entirely surprising report of an unfinished version seen at a test screening from the Reddit discussion thread:quote:I saw a test screening for 'Us' back in December(like two weeks before the first trailer, so we had no idea about the movie other than the small synopsis) and there are some things that were different from the final theatrical release. Mostly minor and one major.
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I think most of those were changed correctly.
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Rhyno posted:It's like a year old. Yeah, and I like it even more now than I did a year ago.
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To say a year old film has aged well is a bit odd. Come back to it in 20 years.
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Us aged very well. I like it more than I did a week ago.
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CelticPredator posted:Us aged very well. I like it more than I did a week ago. 
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Rhyno posted:To say a year old film has aged well is a bit odd. i mean, it's semantically the right word to use. There are definitely movies that even a year or two after they come out already seem to have aged really poorly and some that really come into their own after that amount of time, it's not just a generational thing. for example, because it came out literal months before The Orange Man's Escalator Descent and was about the idea that our world could come together and solve the problems that are immanently threatening us through the power of ideas and innovation, Tomorrowland (which, granted, was not the most well-received movie in the first place) aged about as poorly as a movie can after one or two years, feeling like an antiquated piece of media from a bygone age by the time the 2016 election rolled around. (see also: The Purge: Election Day, a movie where the ending is literally a woman being elected president at the dawn of a new era who would look to end violent conservative policy in her time in office, which sounded great in July 2016 and laughably naive literally just a year later)
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SurgicalOntologist posted:I have a theory based on just one line. When adult Adelaide goes underground, Gabe says "she knows what she's doing" or "she knows what to do" or something like that. At the time I thought this made no sense. Why is he cool with her going down alone? Why does she know what to do? So, my theory is that in a previous edit of the film, Adelaide explains everything to her family, and this is the main reveal rather than Red's monologue as it is in the actual film. This is a really interesting theory that I'm disappointed didn't get more of a response here. It does seem like maybe there was something weird about the editing, or something changed later, and I don't remember that monologue from the trailer being in the movie. What do y'all think?
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boquiabierta posted:This is a really interesting theory that I'm disappointed didn't get more of a response here. It does seem like maybe there was something weird about the editing, or something changed later, and I don't remember that monologue from the trailer being in the movie. What do y'all think? I mean, maybe there was an earlier version of the film where Adelaide remembers she's one of the Tethered early on and tells her family, but I don't think there's a trace of it in the final film. That line from Gabe is due to the fact that Adelaide knew poo poo was wrong early on and is clearly very capable when it comes to loving up doubles.
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Also he couldn't have helped her even if he wanted too; and stopping your kid from running after a murderer is probably a good parenting policy.
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I hope Peele does a commentary track for this; I just watched his commentary on Get Out and it's pleasantly honest.
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So the reason the two little girls meet is that one somehow guided the other along the correct mirrored path to reach the exit, right? She should've been stuck at the bottom of that escalator, slowly walking in place, because the girl up top walked suspensefully slow. It was a really fun scary movie but that part stood out probably due to the excellent comedy bits. It would've been a funny set-up for a gag but had to go unused to let the plot happen.
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Really enjoyed watching this, was kind of lukewarm coming out of the theater but as I've thought about it I liked it more and more. The exposition/lore is both over explained and also doesn't make any sense but I think the movie works in spite of that. Thematically it clicks, it's just logistically it falls apart immediately under any scrutiny to the point where it should have been left more vague. Really frustrated when people say they saw the twist coming or that it was super predictable because that's not the point. A good twist isn't just a "gotcha", but recontextualizes the movie and makes its themes richer, which this one does. The tethered aren't just failed monstrous clones, which is how they appear for most of the movie, they are literally regular people just like us, who are just exposed to different circumstances.
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Us is like if Donnie Darko had originally been released as the Director's Cut.
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I saw it last night and left the theater feeling extremely annoyed and let down: this movie I’d been expecting to like - which critics are falling over themselves to praise - felt like such a sophomoric mess. The performances, score, cinematography, sets are all great but they’re in service to this incredibly muddled allegory/fairy tale about... something? That Americans are violent? That America has a brutal wealth disparity? It’s like something an ambitious but undisciplined high schooler would write, chucking in every symbol and reference that came to mind and inventing and disposing of rules at whim to keep the narrative moving along. Then, there’s this over-abundance of window dressing details (ambulance foreshadowing, punk shirts, conspicuous 11:11 repetitions) to try to make it seem like a cohesive and well-written story. This movie wants to have its cake and eat it in every way. It wants to be a goofy Shaun of the Dead horror comedy and also a weird Funny Games postmodern examination of violence and also a Tarantino conglomeration of references and pop culture jokes, and by the end I just wasn’t onboard and didn’t care. That’s what gets me- there are, like, three good movies this could have been — the jokes are funny, the set-piece confrontations in the dark are tense — but instead it’s a bad Frankenstein of all of them.
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BoldestCorgi posted:I saw it last night and left the theater feeling extremely annoyed and let down: this movie I’d been expecting to like - which critics are falling over themselves to praise - felt like such a sophomoric mess. The performances, score, cinematography, sets are all great but they’re in service to this incredibly muddled allegory/fairy tale about... something? That Americans are violent? That America has a brutal wealth disparity? It’s like something an ambitious but undisciplined high schooler would write, chucking in every symbol and reference that came to mind and inventing and disposing of rules at whim to keep the narrative moving along. Then, there’s this over-abundance of window dressing details (ambulance foreshadowing, punk shirts, conspicuous 11:11 repetitions) to try to make it seem like a cohesive and well-written story. This movie wants to have its cake and eat it in every way. It wants to be a goofy Shaun of the Dead horror comedy and also a weird Funny Games postmodern examination of violence and also a Tarantino conglomeration of references and pop culture jokes, and by the end I just wasn’t onboard and didn’t care. I'd say this is pretty accurate, tho I still had a good time. Maybe because I wasn't that hyped in the first place. 
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Us is like if Donnie Darko had originally been released as the Director's Cut. It's not that bad.
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BoldestCorgi posted:I saw it last night and left the theater feeling extremely annoyed and let down: this movie I’d been expecting to like - which critics are falling over themselves to praise - felt like such a sophomoric mess. The performances, score, cinematography, sets are all great but they’re in service to this incredibly muddled allegory/fairy tale about... something? That Americans are violent? That America has a brutal wealth disparity? It’s like something an ambitious but undisciplined high schooler would write, chucking in every symbol and reference that came to mind and inventing and disposing of rules at whim to keep the narrative moving along. Then, there’s this over-abundance of window dressing details (ambulance foreshadowing, punk shirts, conspicuous 11:11 repetitions) to try to make it seem like a cohesive and well-written story. This movie wants to have its cake and eat it in every way. It wants to be a goofy Shaun of the Dead horror comedy and also a weird Funny Games postmodern examination of violence and also a Tarantino conglomeration of references and pop culture jokes, and by the end I just wasn’t onboard and didn’t care. I also just saw this, and this is close to how I feel. However, the big reveal of what was actually going on was so batshit ridiculous that it was the one part of the movie, besides the opening, that I was fully on board. I was pretty bored for the rest, so I wish the movie had fully leaned into this weirdness. Instead, the majority of it is just a middling survival thriller with tonal issues.
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P_T_S posted:Really enjoyed the movie and am still thinking about it days later. I assumed that there was some weird thing where everybody who was cloned (which is apparently every single person in the country and they even have kids who turn out the same... millions of sperm and they all fertilize the eggs and come out the same... maybe the sperm all think alike and OWW MY HEAD)... ahem, anyway everybody who was cloned behaves exactly the same and does the same thing at the same time. So even the doctor who did Kitty's face lift has a shadow doctor who does shadow Kitty's facelift, except badly and and incomplete. Adelaide does the caesarean herself for... reasons? But then you also have weird coincidences like... clones picking out clothes that very-nearly mimick the clothes of their above-ground counterparts. How many articles of clothing are down there, do all the clones have a full wardrobe that's almost identical to the people above ground? It's fun to think about but I don't really care to know the answers, if there are any.
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It doesn't really matter, but I assume that it's like a compulsion that's difficult to resist, and is moreso the larger a life event is. Pluto still mimics because he's too young to resist it. And Adelaide was always just a bit special/stronger.
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I feel like this movie makes more sense if you assume that the clone thing was forever ago, not something invented in the 80s, like as long as there has been america and abandoned tunnels some olde timey alchemist made homunculi then abandoned them somewhere where they bred in the dark and spread out to cover every dark forgotten place. Like they never really call them 'clones" and it being a new DNA invention by science makes it doofy, but if it's just some fundamental aspect of the US that has always been there and underpins all of history then that seems less confusing.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I feel like this movie makes more sense if you assume that the clone thing was forever ago, not something invented in the 80s, like as long as there has been america and abandoned tunnels some olde timey alchemist made homunculi then abandoned them somewhere where they bred in the dark and spread out to cover every dark forgotten place. Like they never really call them 'clones" and it being a new DNA invention by science makes it doofy, but if it's just some fundamental aspect of the US that has always been there and underpins all of history then that seems less confusing. I've seen this twice now and it's interesting to me how different the audience reaction was. Completely full show both times, but at one theater the audience got way into it, reacted to everything, loved the jokes. The second time it was dead silent almost the entire time. A True Jar Jar Fan fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Apr 1, 2019 |
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Magic Hate Ball posted:What did the Tethered do on 9/11? Same thing everyone else did. Block party
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:I agree. Red begins her speech at the end with "I believe..." and says that the Tethered wandered without a purpose for generations. She doesn't know any more than we do about why the Tethered exist. If there was anyone in charge, they're long gone before 1986. I took both that and her reverence of God to be one person's struggle to find a meaning behind this hell, because it's existentially scarier to suffer forever for nothing. Yeah I feel like every review I've seen has talked about the dopplegangers as if they were made like, contemporary with the start of the movie, abandoned that same generation, and there isn't really any indication of that. It makes way more sense if they simply always existed, reaching back as a part of what America is more or less as long as there was america. Made by some original unknowable process long long ago that isn't anything specifically sci-fi. Like we see their weird rabbit warren and like, maybe the government just builds those to house all the shadow people, or maybe their mimicry extends to them building their own weird mirror spaces in the tunnels they inhabit. It doesn't really matter specifically, but it feels like everyone I see talking about this online is taking that place as like THE genetic laboratory where they invented clones then immediately abandoned them a day later or something. Where the movie doesn't seem to indicate that at all and just seems to show it as one random place tethered gather, with an indication at the end that there is millions and millions of tethered, almost certainly one for every american and the text at the start implies they'd live in any old tunnel that is forgotten or left alone, not just that one specific tunnel. Like just imagine this is a distant sequel to the prestige more than the clones being a modern scientific DNA clone thing and it seems less dumb. Owlofcreamcheese fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Apr 1, 2019 |
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I'm really curious to see the post release unfolding of this because there are a lot of shots in the trailer that aren't in the final film. I can't imagine a studio tried to bully Peele in an alt edit after he won an Oscar, but there is clearly more film than what we saw in the theatrical release. Hell, the shot of Red running down the hall at the facility completely changes the the pacing of the finale.
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