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I reag AG ages ago but IIRC the rules of this universe weren't very well defined there either.
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Cojawfee posted:Wikipedia says Argus was used to represent something that was all seeing. Even though he wasn't worshipped, maybe being referenced that way is enough for him to manifest in real life. It would make sense - there's no Technology God, or Media God. And in Season 1, IIRC, Media said something like "time & attention, better than lamb's blood", so it makes sense that if enough people buy into a concept, it becomes "real".
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Mar 28, 2019 14:42
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BrianWilly posted:Faeries are explicitly old world gods who evolved (devolved?) over time into minor spirits who were nonetheless placated with offerings and gifts. Djinn were worshipped in pre-Islamic Arabia and eventually got incorporated into the Quran itself. This is sort of where I'm at. Argus doesn't make a whole lot of sense in the narrative's internal logic, since ifrits and djinni and leprechauns still exist in the consciousness of the public through the Quran, movies, cereal boxes, etc. Hell, some people still make faerie rings because they like what they represent, even if they don't totally understand the point of them from the perspective of their ancestors. The fact that there's so much confusion over who the mythological Argus was in just this thread alone sort of proves the point that it doesn't make much sense to include him. No one knows who he is without looking him up. The overall concept of surveillance being a part of the new paradigm of worship makes total sense, though, and I think it's worth including in the show. It probably could have just been rolled into part of New Media's character to hammer the point home that while she's the new aspect of what she represents, she's hardly the new kid on the block. All that said, I'm enjoying the show immensely and I love the over the top stuff they do with it.
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Mar 28, 2019 15:58
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It could just be that Argus claimed whatever "worship" that surveillance was getting
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Mar 28, 2019 16:08
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Cojawfee posted:It could just be that Argus claimed whatever "worship" that surveillance was getting yeah, who knows if surveillance extends to gossip and rumour as well, whatever way someone can keep an "eye" on someone else even if its BS but the UK CCTV network alone should be enough "faith" to keep a surveillance god sustained, nevermind whatever lunch China's efforts provide. Plus every other camera feed. Boy's full.
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Mar 28, 2019 16:47
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BrianWilly posted:Oh I thought Argus looked great (...heh)
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Mar 28, 2019 17:14
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I understood the tentacle thing as Argus being kind of a loner who just sat in his basement/building all day and watched people, but never interacted him them, like the worst nerd stereotypes. New Media was manipulating him by giving him attention and indulging in his animu fetish.
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Mar 28, 2019 19:58
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Oasx posted:I understood the tentacle thing as Argus being kind of a loner who just sat in his basement/building all day and watched people, but never interacted him them, like the worst nerd stereotypes. New Media was manipulating him by giving him attention and indulging in his animu fetish.
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Mar 29, 2019 01:43
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New Media just wanted bandwidth.
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Mar 29, 2019 01:49
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Mar 29, 2019 02:01
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I think part of the deal with gods (and other myths) is that they need Belief, not worship. It just comes down to the fact that worship is the easiest avenue to belief, but other ones exist. The whole gods need prayer is something Gaiman recycled from the Sandman, and towards the end of the series Bast, god of cats, scrounges up enough belief from a single child seeing a majestic looking cat at a cat show. Vulcan did it in season 1 by attaching his name to weapons manufacturing, and World offers a similar deal to Wednesday. Argus just attached himself to the concept of surveillance and thrived off of it. Though really they could have chosen a more identifiable character than that to fit the narrative. I don't remember him from the book, although it's been like half a decade since I read it last. Supposedly Gaiman was too busy with Good Omens to be too involved in this season, so I think Argus is original to the show.
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Mar 29, 2019 15:39
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Malpais Legate posted:I think part of the deal with gods (and other myths) is that they need Belief, not worship. It just comes down to the fact that worship is the easiest avenue to belief, but other ones exist. Heimdall is right there, guys.
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Mar 30, 2019 10:35
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I vaguely thought Shadow was Heimdall? Or Baldur or someone like that?
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Mar 30, 2019 11:08
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I assumed Shadow is the idea of the New Americana; defined as much by its almost militant acceptance of others as it is the prosecution it's facing from the its predecessors (anti-millennialism, xenophobia).
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Mar 30, 2019 12:52
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Beefeater1980 posted:I vaguely thought Shadow was Heimdall? Or Baldur or someone like that? In the book Shadow is just a nickname, his birth name is Balder.
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Mar 30, 2019 15:05
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Flatscan posted:In the book Shadow is just a nickname, his birth name is Balder. Is this a huge spoiler?
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Mar 30, 2019 20:00
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Haven’t read the book so I’ve been wondering why Shadow is so important. After the last episode I figured Odin was his deadbeat dad. So that name would definitely lend credence to that.
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Mar 30, 2019 20:03
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McSpanky posted:Is this a huge spoiler? The book doesn't really do anything with it, it's just kind of a reveal to make you go "oh" So this new episode is starting great. Game Boy Tetris, Faith No More, and AI music.
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Mar 31, 2019 07:38
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Ok yeah that episode loving owned for Orlando Jones destroying the scenery alone I mean god. drat. "And the lucky ones go from school to the NFL, where they can't even take a motherfuckin' knee"
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Mar 31, 2019 08:10
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Did... Shadow just have a real youtube moment with the cat
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Mar 31, 2019 10:54
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That was so much better than last week, and the opening sequence was great. I'm genuinely surprised they were actually able to make me feel some degree of sympathy for Technical Boy.
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Mar 31, 2019 12:39
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I have literally no idea what even happened.
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Mar 31, 2019 14:42
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Can't we just have Orlando Jones reading the news as Nancy.
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Mar 31, 2019 14:46
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Last season was mostly pretty good, this season is mostly pretty bad. Ok that's all.
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Mar 31, 2019 15:15
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MiddleOne posted:I have literally no idea what even happened. Guys?
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Mar 31, 2019 16:23
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I liked season 1, I'm liking season 2, just a bit less than season 1. That is my lukewarm take. My feeling is that this season so far has been less.. I dunno, cohesive? Probably (at least partially) due to the behind the scenes shenanigans with changing showrunners and so on. Also, while the episode they ended S1 on was a good finale, I kind of feel like the pacing of this season would have been vastly improved by having the house on the rock stuff happen at the end of S1 (which I think had been the original plan?).
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Mar 31, 2019 16:30
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What happened in this episode. I thought I wasn’t paying enough attention but I rewatched parts and I still don’t get it.
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Mar 31, 2019 16:49
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MiddleOne posted:I have literally no idea what even happened. Shadow hosed a cat, and then he and Wednesday went to a diner for Money. Bilquis showed up in Cairo just as Shadow left. She, Anansi, and Ibis (and maybe Bast-cat) had a discussion about the state of African gods in America and whether or not a war is really in their interests. A mourner at the funeral home named Ruby helped flesh some of that out too. Money was guarded by three Girl Scouts. Shadow's credit score is apparently poo poo, so he couldn't buy any thin mints. The World blamed Technical Kid for not paying the CCTV cable bill, so TK had to replace Argus somehow. He turned to a friendless tech-industrialist to turn cell phones into spying devices. New Media showed the industrialist some new code, and she's his BFF now. Technical Kid realizes he's basically made himself obsolete since New Media just swallowed up his believers, and Mr. World sent TK to the Clockwork Orange place with a facehugger. Spoiled since I don't think the ep has actually aired yet.
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Mar 31, 2019 18:54
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Orlando Jones stuff was real good, and I'm going to miss that giant douche.
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Mar 31, 2019 22:47
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I really hope Technical Boy isn't out for good right after they actually made him kind of sympathetic 
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Mar 31, 2019 23:04
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Where's Anubis been all season? Was he another casualty of the change in showrunners?
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So what exactly was technical boy? I thought he was technology, but he was just digital music invented by a friendless nerd?
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Apr 1, 2019 02:20
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They made it out like he was order or routine, with the whole "this is how we pray" thing
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What was the song at the start? The piano one, not the one on the record
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MiddleOne posted:I have literally no idea what even happened. American Gods are inspiration, Technical Boy inspired him on hardware in his youth and failed to do so as a grown up CEO. New Media provided a new form of code/Machine Coding and it gave him(CEO) a new source of insight. Hardware wasn't his focus, coding was. Technical Boy coded himself out of existence.
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Cojawfee posted:So what exactly was technical boy? I thought he was technology, but he was just digital music invented by a friendless nerd? All the talk of "i was your only friend" made me think he was that universe's version of Myspace Tom. He had nobody in his life but Technical Boy, who gave him some sort of spark that allowed him to start whatever that business was. A facebook/social type company where he is your 'friend' by default. There was nothing supporting that really, just where my mind went. And I hope he comes back, Odin does owe him a favor for Argus... My question: Media is Media, Money is...money, Argus was surveillance, but what is Mr. World, exactly? Does he just represent like....the concept of the world? Is he Father Earth, or Gaia? Or the concept of the illuminati? What IS he exactly? bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Apr 1, 2019 |
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Apr 1, 2019 10:54
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Mr World is basically the illuminati yeah. He's the "they" when people talk about what they do.
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Apr 1, 2019 11:02
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Mr World is both They and Globalism.
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bring back old gbs posted:All the talk of "i was your only friend" made me think he was that universe's version of Myspace Tom. He had nobody in his life but Technical Boy, who gave him some sort of spark that allowed him to start whatever that business was. A facebook/social type company where he is your 'friend' by default. There was nothing supporting that really, just where my mind went. I thought it was a reference to what a lot of programmers tend to do as kids getting started, getting a computer program to answer/greet them "Hello Friend"? It was just in this case, the program answering,"Hello Friend" was given form/divinity. Ironically, another common phrase used is,"Hello World", and Mr. World is the guy who walks in and heralds the end of Technical Boy by giving his only friend a replacement God in New Media.
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Jerusalem posted:I thought it was a reference to what a lot of programmers tend to do as kids getting started, getting a computer program to answer/greet them "Hello Friend"? It was just in this case, the program answering,"Hello Friend" was given form/divinity. hah I forgot about Hello World. good catch
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