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weird Asian candy posted:Couldn't put my finger on it... is that sinbad
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a patagonian cavy posted:is that sinbad Sure is! Necessary Roughness...1991
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Apr 3, 2019 19:46
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SKULL.GIF posted:It's the shoulder slashes  wandler20 posted:I think the Bucs was the most hated of what Nike has done. They're talking about changing them next year already. Those digital alarm clock numbers are bad. That's the only part that really stuck with me. No idea if it was Nike, but the Jaguars helmets were worse than the Bucs uniforms.
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Apr 3, 2019 19:59
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weird Asian candy posted:Sure is! Welcome to foot....ball
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Apr 3, 2019 20:02
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IRON MAN FOOTBALL
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Apr 3, 2019 20:13
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EmbryoSteve posted:Among seahawks fans it was mixed. I think the overall reaction from people was negative as people hate change and love ridicule. As mentioned i was unsure about them, but now really like them. They are interesting, I like the colors (actually wish there was more green), and I am that guy who loves monochrome unis. I still don't like the neon ones that every Seahawk fan will now defend to the death, but I always loved the gray alternates and wish they'd wear them more. I also like many other boring things.
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Apr 3, 2019 20:17
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Patriots have a better record out of division than they do in the AFC east for the Brady Belichick era That’s not true. It’s close, but it’s like 77% in division vs 75% out of division. And it’s not like the other AFC east teams are any good out of division either, they’re all below .500 since 2003 in out of division games. The Pats are very good but the rest AFC east is also consistently mediocre bad year over year and that certainly doesn’t hurt the Pats chances to make the playoffs and get a bye every year.
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Apr 3, 2019 20:24
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one interesting thing about the pats is that they cheat to win football games
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Apr 3, 2019 20:25
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Blowjob Overtime posted:
There was absolutely no excuse for that helmet existing and you are correct. I wish they Bucs would go with the color rush uni with a different number font.
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Apr 3, 2019 20:43
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Alaois posted:i vaguely remember it being fairly negative IIRC, it was somewhat negative but coupled with a general feeling that their previous uniforms had become bland. The new uniforms also quickly became synonymous with the Wilson and the team become good, which obviously eased the transition a fair bit. Blowjob Overtime posted:No idea if it was Nike, but the Jaguars helmets were worse than the Bucs uniforms. They were. Nike took over NFL uniforms going into the 2012 season and Seattle was the first to get the big uniform redesign. Jacksonville did the next major change in 2013. Everybody hated the helmets, but I think the reaction on the rest of that uniform was otherwise ambivalence. Really, those helmets were loving awful, but I don’t think the actual jerseys and pants were terrible, but their new uniforms are closer to their old 90s sets and better. Aside from Tampa (Who last switched in 2014 and can now do a wholesale change whenever they want) and the crappy clock numbers, don’t forget Miami has Nike do their new uniforms going into 2013 as well. The initial reaction to those at the time mostly focused on the trampstamp name on the pants and the logo change, but otherwise I think most people were fine with it as an updated look... until a year or two ago when they came out with those 70s throwbacks which got a ton of praise and a lot of people want them to switch to those full time.
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Apr 3, 2019 20:44
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I dont understand why uniform makers/graphic designers are so turned off by the classic straight stripe. Why are the stripes tapering off like a knife point, that looks stupid
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Apr 3, 2019 20:46
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Patriots have a better record out of division than they do in the AFC east for the Brady Belichick era People always say this and my response is "so?" You're still playing lovely teams constantly, whether you win or lose against them is your business SHOAH NUFF posted:I dont understand why uniform makers/graphic designers are so turned off by the classic straight stripe. Why are the stripes tapering off like a knife point, that looks stupid That's my complaint as well. Those straight double stripes they had were both fresh and classic. This looks like something vomited up from an ad agency circa 1996.
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Apr 3, 2019 21:12
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Play posted:People always say this and my response is "so?" You're still playing lovely teams constantly, whether you win or lose against them is your business Are you arguing the rebuttal is a logical fallacy or...? I guess it depends if you’re focusing more on the record itself or on whether a stronger team in the division would beat up the patriots physically more often?
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Apr 3, 2019 21:19
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Play posted:People always say this and my response is "so?" You're still playing lovely teams constantly, whether you win or lose against them is your business I was curious so: Record since 2001, opposing team has a losing record on the season: Tied for 3rd with the Steelers, behind the Seahawks and Eagles... never would've guessed the Eagles. pre:Team W-L% Count Patriots 0.864 169 Colts 0.782 156 Packers 0.762 166 Ravens 0.745 161 Steelers 0.743 169 Eagles 0.728 171 Seahawks 0.699 181 Broncos 0.697 155 Falcons 0.685 168 Chargers 0.681 163 Panthers 0.677 155 Saints 0.673 168 Giants 0.667 156 Cowboys 0.665 167 Bears 0.663 160 Vikings 0.651 159 Bengals 0.636 147 Bills 0.633 147 Chiefs 0.616 164 Titans 0.61 154 Texans 0.607 140 49ers 0.603 155 Jets 0.593 162 Lions 0.58 150 Dolphins 0.575 153 Cardinals 0.564 165 Jaguars 0.541 148 Washington 0.537 161 Rams 0.533 150 Buccaneers 0.531 162 Browns 0.486 142 Raiders 0.476 145
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Apr 3, 2019 21:29
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YOLOsubmarine posted:That’s not true. It’s close, but it’s like 77% in division vs 75% out of division. Yeah, it's not just about the record against those teams, it's that those teams are rarely any real threat to take the division and force the Pats to play from a wild card seed. Meanwhile the AFCW has had a 12-4 wildcard in 2 of the past 3 years.
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Apr 3, 2019 21:30
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Diva Cupcake posted:Pro Click listen of Rand Getlin talking about the business of NFL insiders. Long episode but worth it. Calls RapSheet and NFL Network “State TV” trafficking in anti-player news. Absolutely NFL media is deeply, deeply corrupt. The only people that get access are ones that parrot the party line. It kind of reminds me of some other venerable institution...
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Apr 3, 2019 21:30
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Kalli posted:The Lions have won 10% of their games against opponents with a winning record which is nightmarishly bad. 
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Apr 3, 2019 21:34
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Zerilan posted:Yeah, it's not just about the record against those teams, it's that those teams are rarely any real threat to take the division and force the Pats to play from a wild card seed. Meanwhile the AFCW has had a 12-4 wildcard in 2 of the past 3 years. This makes a lot of sense. I can see that argument
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Apr 3, 2019 21:35
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Just between random chance, injuries to the opponent and throwaway end of season games any NFL team should win more then 10% of them. Like, loving how. The Lions are 6-46 against NFC North teams when they have a winning record on the season. Those 6 wins: 2003: 22-14 against a 6-5 Packers team that ends the season at 10-6. Yep, this is the one game in the decade. 2010: 7-3 against a 8-5 Packers team missing Rodgers 2013: 40-10 against the Matt Flynn Packers again. 2014: 19-7 in week 4 against the Packers, haha, eat it Rodgers 2015: 18-16 Oh hey, they beat Rodgers again when they were 2-7 and the Packers 6-3 2017: 14-7 over the Vikings. Ah the early days of Keenum-mania. Kalli fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Apr 3, 2019 |
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Apr 3, 2019 21:37
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Kalli posted:Record since 2001, opposing team has a losing record on the season: One of the things this could suggest is that the Patriots play a WORSE selection of losing teams than everybody else, regularly. That is, the AFC East has the losingest losing teams. It also suggest the Pats are good, which is true. It's actually kind of hard to draw a firm conclusion about what this means
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Apr 3, 2019 21:40
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They are very good AND play 6 games against bad teams. It's not a mystery.
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Apr 3, 2019 21:42
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:They are very good AND play 6 games against bad teams. It's not a mystery. also they have an unfair advantage because they cheat please stop leaving this out
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Apr 3, 2019 21:46
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Zerilan posted:Yeah, it's not just about the record against those teams, it's that those teams are rarely any real threat to take the division and force the Pats to play from a wild card seed. Meanwhile the AFCW has had a 12-4 wildcard in 2 of the past 3 years. My new theory on why the Chiefs blow in the playoffs is that they are exhausted after a brutal regular season knife fight with the rest of the AFCW
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Apr 3, 2019 21:46
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Takes a miracle to beat 'em, sometimes
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Apr 3, 2019 21:47
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Play posted:One of the things this could suggest is that the Patriots play a WORSE selection of losing teams than everybody else, regularly. That is, the AFC East has the losingest losing teams. Eh, since 2001 you've got the Browns, Jags forever, Chiefs were in there a few times, Raiders, etc. I don't think the AFC East had the losingest AFC teams as a whole during that timespan. Bills were mostly bad but only had one 3 and one 4 win season in there, it's a bunch of 6-10 and 7-9 seasons for them. The Jets were worse as far as bad years go but also were actually good for a couple of years in there. The Dolphins were like the definition of mediocrity that whole time other than one 1-15 season.
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Apr 3, 2019 21:47
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Zerilan posted:Yeah, it's not just about the record against those teams, it's that those teams are rarely any real threat to take the division and force the Pats to play from a wild card seed. Meanwhile the AFCW has had a 12-4 wildcard in 2 of the past 3 years. This has been my argument here for years. It needs to be shouted from the rooftop any time a Pats fan comes in with the old chestnut about the AFC East.
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Apr 3, 2019 21:50
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The Steelers, Ravens and Bengals basically had two free wins per year for the last two decades.
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Apr 3, 2019 21:52
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As have the Giants, Eagles, and Cowboys, excepting an odd season here or there.
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Apr 3, 2019 21:55
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Play posted:One of the things this could suggest is that the Patriots play a WORSE selection of losing teams than everybody else, regularly. That is, the AFC East has the losingest losing teams. It also suggest the Pats are good, which is true. It's actually kind of hard to draw a firm conclusion about what this means Hmm, well it'd be tough to nail it down, since reducing the win total further is tricky, but here's, by division each team's winning percentage since 2001: Think at a minimum you'd have to call the AFC South / NFC West easier divisions pre:Tm W-L%; 1 Patriots 0.764 20 Dolphins 0.462 21 Jets 0.458 28 Bills 0.413 2 Steelers 0.656 8 Ravens 0.569 18 Bengals 0.488 32 Browns 0.314 3 Colts 0.625 19 Titans 0.479 24 Texans 0.445 29 Jaguars 0.396 7 Broncos 0.569 10 Chargers 0.542 13 Chiefs 0.51 30 Raiders 0.368 5 Eagles 0.592 11 Cowboys 0.538 17 Giants 0.493 26 Washington 0.422 4 Packers 0.611 15 Vikings 0.503 16 Bears 0.5 31 Lions 0.354 9 Saints 0.556 12 Falcons 0.533 14 Panthers 0.505 27 Buccaneers 0.42 6 Seahawks 0.575 22 Cardinals 0.45 23 49ers 0.45 25 Rams 0.436
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Apr 3, 2019 21:57
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How about just rank the divisions by the number of times a team has finished 4-12 or worse? Or even 5-11. I doubt the AFCe is last.
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Apr 3, 2019 21:59
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:The Steelers, Ravens and Bengals basically had two free wins per year for the last two decades. Yeah but the AFC North is a meatgrinder of a division. If the Pats had to play the Steeler, Raven & Bengal defenses twice a year every season, they would be in much worse shape come playoff time
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The AFCW has absolutely been the worst during that stretch. The Rams, Cardinals and 49ers have often been among the worst teams in the league.BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:If the Pats had to play the Steeler, Raven & Bengal defenses twice a year every season, they would be in much worse shape come playoff time This is a dumb argument that is always made with no evidence other than like, a picture of Vontaze Burfict. You think tackles are made harder in the AFCN than anywhere else? Show me the teams who's opponents had the most games missed due to injury after playing them.
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Apr 3, 2019 22:00
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Diva Cupcake posted:How about just rank the divisions by the number of times a team has finished 4-12 or worse? Or even 5-11. I doubt the AFCe is last. Yeah, I'm thinking of trying to figure out how often a team wins 4 / 7 / 10 / 12 games but the PFR search tools doesn't have an easy way of doing anything beyond winning / losing record or made the playoffs Y/N?
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Apr 3, 2019 22:02
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fsif posted:PLEASE tell me these are real hahahahaha these are disgusting
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Apr 3, 2019 22:05
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:You think tackles are made harder in the AFCN than anywhere else? Someone find me that gif of the Jets all avoiding Tom Brady when he was 'blocking.'
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Apr 3, 2019 22:06
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Kalli posted:Hmm, well it'd be tough to nail it down, since reducing the win total further is tricky, but here's, by division each team's winning percentage since 2001: I did something like this two years ago. Most divisions have one really bad team either in a given year or over a long stretch of time and the fourth best team should be ignored as a non-factor when looking at division records. In essence, the AFC East is the second least competitive division in the league because it is utterly incapable of producing a second best team that can reach the playoffs.
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Apr 3, 2019 22:09
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Grittybeard posted:Someone find me that gif of the Jets all avoiding Tom Brady when he was 'blocking.' 
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Apr 3, 2019 22:10
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Thing I got a way to run a search. How does this look for categories? 0-6 wins - bad 7-9 - average 10+ good
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Apr 3, 2019 22:12
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:The AFCW has absolutely been the worst during that stretch. The Rams, Cardinals and 49ers have often been among the worst teams in the league. I think the Steeler-Raven, Raven-Bengal, and Steeler-Bengal games are consistently the most physical games each season. All three teams have (or had) dominant, punishing defenses and their dislike for the other team ran deep. The punishment that the players endure while playing each other doesn't necessarily result in injuries that will keep them out of games. Bruises, sprains, strained muscles, blows to the head .. all of that will accumulate and bring down a teams performance without necessarily keeping players out of the next game. Think of all the times Big Ben got more and more hurt as the season went on and ended up playing like poo poo in the postseason.
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:The punishment that the players endure while playing each other doesn't necessarily result in injuries that will keep them out of games. Bruises, sprains, strained muscles, blows to the head .. all of that will accumulate and bring down a teams performance without necessarily keeping players out of the next game. None of this is special to the AFCN. Ben gets injured because he holds on to the ball and takes a million killshots while trying to shrug a tackler off. Not because he plays in the AFCN.
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