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thespaceinvader posted:5 jobs in 8 years (6 in 9 years if you count the voluntary one) and unemployed/waiting for temp agency work/self employed but only made on sale since February. Oh and two redundancies since last August. Gotta love Brexit. (The first one wasn't because of Brexit, the second one was at least partly.) E: slightly more than 73 years ago on 15 march 1946, Attlee announces that India's independence will be granted. Not that it should have been within his gift to grant... thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Apr 4, 2019 |
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Extinction Rebellion are doing some drat fine work, and I wish I had even a fraction of their conviction and sheer ballsiness
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Yeah, I disagree with their core message that human extinction is bad and we should somehow figure out a way to drag the Anthropocene out as long as possible without radically changing the environment; VHEMT always had the better environmental/philosophical position there, but pissing off the government and fracking companies is always good.
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Jose posted:a twitter thread containing a bunch of no deal MPs talking about how actually No Deal was never wanted before the referendum Absolute pro-click here. Someone comes in with a "we voted for the economic area, not a political union" and refuses to change her mind under the weight of evidence that no, really, it was about the political union from the start https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/1113601971393650688
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Jose posted:A jewish chronicle writer A Conservative opinion from the writer in a Conservative newspaper. What a shock!
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Absolute pro-click here. Someone comes in with a "we voted for the economic area, not a political union" and refuses to change her mind under the weight of evidence that no, really, it was about the political union from the start I'm the Barmy Brussells Bureaucrat bloke stuffing the big bottle o' booze in the boot 
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crispix posted:stuffing the big bottle o' booze in the boot
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i know i'm preaching to the choir here, but brexit is made extremely nasty by being a sort of alliance between those disaffected by neoliberalism and racist nationalists. it is a truly damning indictment of the contemporary left that the former felt it natural to ally with the latter in order to make their grievances heard
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Everyone sign this petition btw https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/248269 quote:Install microplastic filters on new washing machines as standard
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V. Illych L. posted:i know i'm preaching to the choir here, but brexit is made extremely nasty by being a sort of alliance between those disaffected by neoliberalism and racist nationalists. it is a truly damning indictment of the contemporary left that the former felt it natural to ally with the latter in order to make their grievances heard the contemporary left has only existed in the mainstream essentially since after the brexit referendum. it was blair's labour that accelerated the disaffection by neoliberalism
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Nick Boles is going off: https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1113535648688951296?s=20 I for one can't wait for the inevitable soul-searching of the media which this will provoke.... any day now...
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V. Illych L. posted:i know i'm preaching to the choir here, but brexit is made extremely nasty by being a sort of alliance between those disaffected by neoliberalism and racist nationalists. it is a truly damning indictment of the contemporary left that the former felt it natural to ally with the latter in order to make their grievances heard Jose posted:the contemporary left has only existed in the mainstream essentially since after the brexit referendum. it was blair's labour that accelerated the disaffection by neoliberalism Boy it's almost as if Labour had supported Leave in a pro-migrant, anti-neoliberalism platform then it would have completely changed the dynamic of the referendum!
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Banana Fiend posted:Nick Boles is going off: https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1113535648688951296?s=20 Tories will just respond by leaking whatever poo poo they have on him to discredit him. He's an MP, and an ex-Tory one at that. You know there's going to be something
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I should probably know this living in the UK and all, but does the UK actually have a constitution? I was under the assumption that we didnt really have one in the sense that its a full blown written out document. So all these gammons calling poo poo "Unconstitutional" is basically screaming into the void right?
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CyberPingu posted:I should probably know this living in the UK and all, but does the UK actually have a constitution? I was under the assumption that we didnt really have one in the sense that its a full blown written out document. So all these gammons calling poo poo "Unconstitutional" is basically screaming into the void right? Broadly yes. The british constitution is basically just "we've always done it that way because there was no reason not to" and can be changed by setting new precedents. It's not a document it's just a collection of habits.
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OwlFancier posted:Leave would have won even more..? Like I said yesterday it would have split Leave into pro and anti-migrant camps which would have weakened the state of the Leavers by obviously displaying at least two completely different visions of what Leave meant (Tories backing the vicious side obviously) while also offering a real challenge to the status quo Remainers. Leave might well have still won but Labour would be even better positioned and the anti migrant rhetoric would be easier to challenge.
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CyberPingu posted:I should probably know this living in the UK and all, but does the UK actually have a constitution? I was under the assumption that we didnt really have one in the sense that its a full blown written out document. So all these gammons calling poo poo "Unconstitutional" is basically screaming into the void right? I mean we have the magna carter but that might not be what you are looking for?
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namesake posted:Like I said yesterday it would have split Leave into pro and anti-migrant camps which would have weakened the state of the Leavers by obviously displaying at least two completely different visions of what Leave meant (Tories backing the vicious side obviously) while also offering a real challenge to the status quo Remainers. and i said you're being naive and still think you are
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namesake posted:Like I said yesterday it would have split Leave into pro and anti-migrant camps which would have weakened the current state of the Leavers by obviously displaying at least two completely different visions of what Leave meant (Tories backing the vicious side obviously) while also offering a real challenge to the status quo Remainers. I'm not... sure that really follows given that getting two different groups of people to vote for the same thing under the same government doesn't weaken it, that's literally how you win elections. Also, like, you can do pro immigrant and remain, the UK could literally have as open an immigration policy as it wants. But nobody would vote for that because the reason everyone voted leave is immigration.
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sebzilla posted:No kidding. Until I started with the NHS in 2007 I'm pretty sure I was close to 20 for the preceding decade. Was doing IT contracting.
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namesake posted:Boy it's almost as if Labour had supported Leave in a pro-migrant, anti-neoliberalism platform then it would have completely changed the dynamic of the referendum! actually leaving the eu would've still been a ridiculous farce though since the tories actually had a majority at the time
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CyberPingu posted:I should probably know this living in the UK and all, but does the UK actually have a constitution? I was under the assumption that we didnt really have one in the sense that its a full blown written out document. So all these gammons calling poo poo "Unconstitutional" is basically screaming into the void right? The UK has a constitution like the emperor has clothes. There isn't really one but people have agreed that there are a set of not really codified norms and conventions that sort of resemble a constitution because it lets us avoid some awkwardness. The people screaming about things being unconsitutional are either hard brexit types bitter that things aren't going 100% their way or they're politics nerds legitimately worried about the harm the government has done to the set of norms and conventions over the last couple of years. Archaeology Hat fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Apr 4, 2019 |
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Jose posted:the contemporary left has only existed in the mainstream essentially since after the brexit referendum. it was blair's labour that accelerated the disaffection by neoliberalism So you ended up with a situation where 20 years ago the BNP was economically to the left of Labour, but still (fortunately) getting no votes because people were put off by the bovver boots and sieg heiling. A triumph for a bunch of ordoliberals and neoliberals. That's left us in the state where to try to undo any of this damage we have to appeal to people who have spent their entire conscious lives steeped in lies about how I'm not racist, but it is the fault of the scheming foreigner. I'm thankful that the youth are pissed off and for the most part seem to see through this poo poo, but it does mean that the left needs some way of appealing, not to the lost cause of boomers, but to Gen-Xers etc. That's also why I'm not sure that a pro-migrant, anti-neoliberalism, left argument could even have been made at that point in the referendum. It was already being made by anarchist newsletters with a couple dozen readers, but I can't see the conditions being in place to even give that an audience. We don't even have a left wing press that would report it honestly outside of, what, the Morning Star?
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Broadly I think it's people who are dumb picking up americanisms like FREE SPEECH that don't apply here.
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We do now though, because of a combination of legal precedent set during the Liberal era at the turn of the century, and more explicitly in writing due to Article 10 of the Human Rights Act that they hate. 
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This idea we don't have a constitution is a dumb one and this thread shouldn't be engaging in it. We have a constitution that wasn't written at one single time by a bunch of dipshits who thought they could predict the future. This has been greatly beneficial to us and if you want the American version then by all means go for it but remember that our malleable constitution is what allowed Bercow to pull May's meaningful vote out from under her, and America's codified big brain document currently has the man who thinks wind turbines cause ear cancer as president. You can argue about constitutions like post-war Japan or Germany but remember those weren't written by the citizens alone.
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Jose posted:its trying to apply the benefit of hindsight with how events have transpired despite the fact that Corbyn campaigning to leave would have crippled the party almost certainly and just empowered the tory leavers who are weakened by May losing her majority The Guardian and Indy did have pro-Leave op-eds that put out the positive case for Leave, it was just drowned out by people going "don't listen to the racists, we need to remain!"
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To be clear I quite like that the UK doesn't have one right up until the point I am made supreme secretary of the UK at which point I'm writing a very socialist one.
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hey so uh how the gently caress does the house of lords work again
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Nuclear Spoon posted:hey so uh how the gently caress does the house of lords work again What bit of it?
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Jose posted:the contemporary left has only existed in the mainstream essentially since after the brexit referendum. it was blair's labour that accelerated the disaffection by neoliberalism What changed in Corbyn's labour after the referendum that reflects that?
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Nuclear Spoon posted:hey so uh how the gently caress does the house of lords work again
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CyberPingu posted:I should probably know this living in the UK and all, but does the UK actually have a constitution? I was under the assumption that we didnt really have one in the sense that its a full blown written out document. So all these gammons calling poo poo "Unconstitutional" is basically screaming into the void right? There's not one constitutional document, the British constitution is a bunch of different laws bashed together. The laws which make that up according to a Committee in the Houses of Parliament can be found here but include Magna Carta & the two Acts of Union. The main thing is that under the British constitution there is the concept of Parliamentary Sovereignty. To quote the constitutional historian Stanley B Chrimes, "No Act of Parliament can be unconstitutional, for the law of the land knows not the word or the idea." So yeah, it's not relevant. No previous parliament can tie the current parliaments hands: the fixed terms parliament act makes it hard to call snap elections, but all you need to overturn that is a majority of one supporting a new law to say that the government can call an election whenever they fancy. Technically parliament could decide to just make it law that they sit forever without more elections, as I understand it.
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Nuclear Spoon posted:hey so uh how the gently caress does the house of lords work again (posh booing noises)
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