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90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
I just learned that recent novel A Memory Called Empire contains a character named Thirty-Six All Terrain Tundra Vehicle. Sorry, I don't know anything else about the character or the book, I just thought you should know.

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Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

anilEhilated posted:

The difference is that Asher doesn't use the violence to confront any actual issues. Torture porn lacks meaning. I'd be willing to trust James to sneak some in there.

Not sure if you would consider it an actual issue but in Asher's Owner series body horror and such are used to illustrate the dehumanization that can come with a fully automated society and for lack of a better word the dissociation you form with your own body and humanity when body mods and cyber uplinks are thing.

XBenedict
May 23, 2006

YOUR LIPS SAY 0, BUT YOUR EYES SAY 1.

90s Cringe Rock posted:

I just learned that recent novel A Memory Called Empire contains a character named Thirty-Six All Terrain Tundra Vehicle. Sorry, I don't know anything else about the character or the book, I just thought you should know.

I will buy the book based on this fact alone.

Drone Jett
Feb 21, 2017

by Fluffdaddy
College Slice

90s Cringe Rock posted:

I just learned that recent novel A Memory Called Empire contains a character named Thirty-Six All Terrain Tundra Vehicle. Sorry, I don't know anything else about the character or the book, I just thought you should know.

A descendant of Number Ten Ox born through a radical in vitro fertilization program.

quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

90s Cringe Rock posted:

I just learned that recent novel A Memory Called Empire contains a character named Thirty-Six All Terrain Tundra Vehicle. Sorry, I don't know anything else about the character or the book, I just thought you should know.

The B.A. Baracus role in my secret A-Team 2.0 with robots spec script has been found. MurderBot is Hannibal of course, and Chappy is Faceman. Johnny 5 or C3PO is the useless team sidekick.

The_White_Crane
May 10, 2008

90s Cringe Rock posted:

I just learned that recent novel A Memory Called Empire contains a character named Thirty-Six All Terrain Tundra Vehicle. Sorry, I don't know anything else about the character or the book, I just thought you should know.

Also Six Helicopter.
"Mahit wondered how and when he'd learned to say his name with that degree of self importance. And also with a straight face."

Kestral
Nov 24, 2000

Forum Veteran
Can anyone recommend some mil-SF reminiscent of Glen Cook’s Passage at Arms or the “fleet actions” parts of Singularity Sky? Some combination of above-average prose, reasonably interesting characters, and interesting hard-ish SF warfare, where “hard” in this case means the author put some thought into the implications of their premise, and the technology has at least the feel of plausibility.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Kestral posted:

Can anyone recommend some mil-SF reminiscent of Glen Cook’s Passage at Arms or the “fleet actions” parts of Singularity Sky? Some combination of above-average prose, reasonably interesting characters, and interesting hard-ish SF warfare, where “hard” in this case means the author put some thought into the implications of their premise, and the technology has at least the feel of plausibility.

A very very tentative rec for the Lost Fleet series by Jack Campbell. I enjoyed it a lot, but the writing is not up to the same par as Glen Cook or Stross.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
I seem to remember some good spaceship firing torpedo action in Dread Empire's Fall, but I can't confirm that it's a major part, it was some time ago.

Don't binge the Lost Fleet series unless you're having a hard time remembering what battlecruisers are and want it really hammered into your mind forever. They're OK. Better than Weber.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

StrixNebulosa posted:

Thanks!

Eon chat because I'm yelling at this book: Why can't the US just tell the Russians about their discoveries? You'd think that they'd WANT to tell them about the imminent nuclear war coming up so they could help defuse it! Instead everyone's hiding things and no wonder the Russians are getting twitchy. And if you know nuclear war is coming up, stop doing that! Twitchy people are more likely to push that nuclear button! Why are you acting so suspicious!

....I ask, as a child of the modern era who wasn't raised to fear and hate Russians. I have faith in human decency, even from godless hedonist communist scum. :v: Or, drat this book is good at shoving you back in time and making you feel it.

Because it’s a Cold War fantasy. The Americans have to be right and the sole realised Soviet character has to have a realisation that the politburo is hideous when Americans don’t have to have the realisation that capitalism is terrible.

Rereading it recently has been a bit of a revelation on what was a solid favourite. It’s got that big ol’ “gotta do this hard sci-fi the way papa Clarke would have wanted” stank all over it.

Jem does the same kind of idea better. More fantastical because it’s oil bloc vs people bloc vs food bloc, but more realistic because everyone is a poo poo in their own special way.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Kestral posted:

Can anyone recommend some mil-SF reminiscent of Glen Cook’s Passage at Arms or the “fleet actions” parts of Singularity Sky? Some combination of above-average prose, reasonably interesting characters, and interesting hard-ish SF warfare, where “hard” in this case means the author put some thought into the implications of their premise, and the technology has at least the feel of plausibility.

Go directly to the Risen Empire duology by Scott Westerfeld. Exactly what you want.

wizzardstaff
Apr 6, 2018

Zorch! Splat! Pow!

General Battuta posted:

Go directly to the Risen Empire duology by Scott Westerfeld. Exactly what you want.

Hey, I just want to let you know that I love those books and I am picking up the Baru Cormorant series specifically because I've seen you praise them before.

Groke
Jul 27, 2007
New Adventures In Mom Strength

General Battuta posted:

Go directly to the Risen Empire duology by Scott Westerfeld. Exactly what you want.

This guy ain't wrong, those books are great.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Welp. The Worst of All Possible Worlds is out, so I finally got around to reading A Big Ship at the Edge of the Universe and A Bad Deal for the Whole Galaxy, only to discover that it's not out in Canada.

For gently caress's sake.

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

ToxicFrog posted:

Welp. The Worst of All Possible Worlds is out, so I finally got around to reading A Big Ship at the Edge of the Universe and A Bad Deal for the Whole Galaxy, only to discover that it's not out in Canada.

For gently caress's sake.

Far as I can tell it isn’t released yet anywhere and is scheduled for a summer release - where are you seeing it actually available?

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Kalman posted:

Far as I can tell it isn’t released yet anywhere and is scheduled for a summer release - where are you seeing it actually available?

I misread the "release: March 30th 2020" as March 30th 2019. It doesn't come out until next year, apparently. :negative:

Kestral
Nov 24, 2000

Forum Veteran

General Battuta posted:

Go directly to the Risen Empire duology by Scott Westerfeld. Exactly what you want.

From the writer of Blue Planet that recommendation means everything, I'll grab them immediately. Honestly, if you have any other recommendations in the vein of your work on BP, I'm in for those too! Someone convince Peter Watts to write milSF, tia.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Kestral posted:

Can anyone recommend some mil-SF reminiscent of Glen Cook’s Passage at Arms or the “fleet actions” parts of Singularity Sky? Some combination of above-average prose, reasonably interesting characters, and interesting hard-ish SF warfare, where “hard” in this case means the author put some thought into the implications of their premise, and the technology has at least the feel of plausibility.

Glen Cook's The Dragon Never Sleeps has some badass space combat as well.

And for a series loaded with trigger warnings both in its own right and for the author (and one in this post, beware), Stephen R Donaldson of all people put some great space combat into his Gap Cycle. The last two hundred pages of book four are a chase through an asteroid belt involving the protagonists and multiple pirate ships, while a navy cruiser and an alien battlewagon duke it out out in clear space. The human beings in the series do some really vile poo poo to each other; mind control and serial serial rape being just the low end of the scale. Really good, really hard to read.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

ToxicFrog posted:

Welp. The Worst of All Possible Worlds is out, so I finally got around to reading A Big Ship at the Edge of the Universe and A Bad Deal for the Whole Galaxy, only to discover that it's not out in Canada.

For gently caress's sake.

the real worst of all possible worlds is the one where i have to read books with these corny rear end titles! got em!!

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll
https://twitter.com/itsokg/status/1112473455650172929

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

90s Cringe Rock posted:

I seem to remember some good spaceship firing torpedo action in Dread Empire's Fall, but I can't confirm that it's a major part, it was some time ago.

There's a number of major space battles, yes. It's also interesting to see people developing strategies after being part of a navy serving an alien race that quashes all independent thought, has fought no genuine wars in centuries and whose sole tactic is planetary bombardment with neutron bombs.

(More accurately, it's interesting to see what happens when you take the US armed forces and cube them.)

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




I'm ~80 pages from finishing The Dark Forest by Liu Cixin and hooooooooooooooly poo poo at the reveal that the probe/'the droplet' was just an incredibly advanced motherfucking BATTERING RAM. This trilogy continues to amaze me; I am not as fond as this translator as the first, definitely, but his style grew on me. It really does amaze me that humanity is so righteously convinced of their victory of the Trisolarans.. but it's like hello, they literally created subatomic supercomputers to gently caress with our sciences. Goddamn cocky humanity :argh:

mewse
May 2, 2006

Johnny Truant posted:

I'm ~80 pages from finishing The Dark Forest by Liu Cixin and hooooooooooooooly poo poo at the reveal that the probe/'the droplet' was just an incredibly advanced motherfucking BATTERING RAM. This trilogy continues to amaze me; I am not as fond as this translator as the first, definitely, but his style grew on me. It really does amaze me that humanity is so righteously convinced of their victory of the Trisolarans.. but it's like hello, they literally created subatomic supercomputers to gently caress with our sciences. Goddamn cocky humanity :argh:

The chinese culture parts of those books were really interesting to me. How politics are viewed, how Luo Ji is portrayed as the hero of the whole thing (and how the American wallfacer fucks up tremendously)

mewse fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Apr 5, 2019

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

my bony fealty posted:

Started The Mask of the Sorcerer by Darrell Schweitzer. Not sure about it so far. A lot of crazy poo poo is constantly happening but the language is really straightforward and plain so it doesn't feel right. Sekenre has like no personality. I'm still pretty early and the central hook is interesting so I will keep going but I hope it gets more...unique? Better written?

ok I finished this book and it did get a lot better. If I reread it I would probably like the opening chapters more. The last few chapters with the thorn child stuff was weird and felt kinda tacked on but overall a cool book with a great take on magic and sorcery. very Book of the New Sun influenced so if you like that check it out.

anyone read this or anything else by Darrell Schweitzer? are his other books worth reading?

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




mewse posted:

The chinese culture parts of those books were really interesting to me. How politics are viewed, how Luo Ji is portrayed as the hero of the whole thing (and how the American wallfacer fucks up tremendously)

:agreed:

It took me a minute to get into The Three Body Problem because the first like, 50? pages are all about the Chinese cultural revolution. Which, I know now, is incredibly fascinating and equally horrible, but when I was starting the book I was just thinking "what the gently caress I don't want a history lesson!"

With that being said I'm having a hard time really describing how this is different from the Western sci-fi I've read up until now, how would y'all describe it? I do think, at least in The Dark Forest, that some of it is lost in translation, as there have been a few instances where what was going on didn't make a lot of sense. For example, when Zhang Beihai first meets Dangfang Yanxu in theNatural Selection, I think the end of their interaction had me seriously :confused:I'm excited to get back to Ken Liu's translation, and also to check out his short stories.

The_White_Crane
May 10, 2008

Johnny Truant posted:

I'm excited to get back to Ken Liu's translation, and also to check out his short stories.

Liu's short stories are great, most of them are collected in Paper Menagerie. The best one IMO is All the Flavours which is a story about Guan Yu in America.
His longer books are less great IMO. I read The Grace of Kings and found it tiresome. It also pissed me off a bit how much he took major character background details directly from Chinese history -- one general is straight up just a gender-swapped Han Xin.

Ben Nevis
Jan 20, 2011
Just finished The Haunting of Tram Car 015 by P Djeli Clark (apologies for the dropped diacritics). In an alt-history Cairo where djinn have made it a major world metropolis, partners from the Ministry of Alchemy, Enchantment, and Supernatural Entities try to exorcise a haunted tram car. Their efforts take them through a city that's becoming ever more cosmopolitan, with multiple religions, immigrants, and even suffragettes. This was short, but exciting, comedic, and really enjoyable. Set in the same world as a previous novella, but not really a series. I kind of hope it becomes one, I'd happily read more about government ghostbusters in this world.

After 2 by Clark this week, I'm super excited to read more by him. These two have had Pricy Novella Syndrome, but are really good, so check out your libraries y'all.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Eon spoilers: There was a part of me that genuinely believed they wouldn't go back to war. :(

ringu0
Feb 24, 2013


Just to add to Ken Liu chat, two of his short stories, The Paper Menagerie and Mono No Aware, were read by LeVar Burton on his podcast:
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/levar-burton-reads/e/51277610
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/levar-burton-reads/e/58729561

MartingaleJack
Aug 26, 2004

I'll split you open and I don't even like coconuts.
Some of you guys might remember The Third Martian Dick Temple, which appeared in Daily Science Fiction last year. Well, I got a new one out today. No dicks this time, but it's got something called a Murder Dyson, so you know you gotta read it. (Also this is my other writerly name, not Sheila Borideux.)

The story is called "Arkushanangarushashutu" and it's free to read at Little Blue Marble

Sankara
Jul 18, 2008


I just finished The Broken Earth trilogy and dang is it good.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
Man I wished you guys would have warned me that Murderbot will not return until 2020, because now I've read all the novellas and the short story and I just want more Murderbot.

Lunsku
May 21, 2006

my bony fealty posted:

ok I finished this book and it did get a lot better. If I reread it I would probably like the opening chapters more. The last few chapters with the thorn child stuff was weird and felt kinda tacked on but overall a cool book with a great take on magic and sorcery. very Book of the New Sun influenced so if you like that check it out.

anyone read this or anything else by Darrell Schweitzer? are his other books worth reading?

This is one book I've been meaning to get to at some point (for the past twenty years that is). Finnish scifi and fantasy zine I used to read in high school (well, I still do!) had a top 10 fantasy list of one of the writers I've partially gone through but been planning to check properly. Mask of the Sorcerer, Wolfe's Book of the New Sun, R.A. Lafferty's Past Master, Cook's Black Company, James Blaylock's Elfin Ship at least were listed. Cook and Wolfe I've read and some on there I just don't recall what they were (should check my shelf for that old issue).

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993
I'm 1/4 through Eon and it's awesome. I normally avoid old sci-fi predicting our present but this book is honestly pure sci-fi, with a mix of alternate history. Super good.

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

Lunsku posted:

This is one book I've been meaning to get to at some point (for the past twenty years that is). Finnish scifi and fantasy zine I used to read in high school (well, I still do!) had a top 10 fantasy list of one of the writers I've partially gone through but been planning to check properly. Mask of the Sorcerer, Wolfe's Book of the New Sun, R.A. Lafferty's Past Master, Cook's Black Company, James Blaylock's Elfin Ship at least were listed. Cook and Wolfe I've read and some on there I just don't recall what they were (should check my shelf for that old issue).

Its good, i got a hardback copy for $5 from thriftbooks. well worth it. I'm gonna get the sequel short story collection sometime.

saw Black Leopard Red Wolf in the new books section at the library so gonna delve into that after this Octavia Butler collection I'm currently reading. Bloodchild was a good story, I liked it.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

TheAardvark posted:

I'm 1/4 through Eon and it's awesome. I normally avoid old sci-fi predicting our present but this book is honestly pure sci-fi, with a mix of alternate history. Super good.

Ey, awesome! Eon is really, really good so far.

Out of curiosity, why do you avoid old sci-fi predicting our present? I find that stuff to be interesting, because it's not that they it wrong (boy do they get stuff wrong) but how they go wrong, and where and why. The fact that Eon has - initially - an international collaboration working on the Stone is surprisingly prescient before the Cold War rears its ugly head again.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

StrixNebulosa posted:

Ey, awesome! Eon is really, really good so far.

Out of curiosity, why do you avoid old sci-fi predicting our present? I find that stuff to be interesting, because it's not that they it wrong (boy do they get stuff wrong) but how they go wrong, and where and why. The fact that Eon has - initially - an international collaboration working on the Stone is surprisingly prescient before the Cold War rears its ugly head again.

Somehow it's harder for me to get excited about fiction that... disproves itself. That's so stupid to say, considering we're talking about pure make believe, but it's true. I guess having to look at something through two different glasses of possibility is too much for my suspension of disbelief.

But I am really enjoying those aspects of Eon right now. Definitely not any really defensible justification behind it.

Edited for clarity

AARD VARKMAN fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Apr 6, 2019

Hannibal Rex
Feb 13, 2010
I got to meet Peter Watts at a neat conference today. In case anyone's interested, here's a video link.

https://www.facebook.com/iask.hungary/videos/405082220313549/

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

StrixNebulosa posted:

it's not that they it wrong (boy do they get stuff wrong) but how they go wrong, and where and why.

Foundation's punch card-driven space battleships own :colbert:

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branedotorg
Jun 19, 2009

General Battuta posted:

Go directly to the Risen Empire duology by Scott Westerfeld. Exactly what you want.

Fwiw the Amazon copy of the first one i bought a few years ago had the duology as an (unannounced) omnibus.

Free book! Sadly I had bought both and Amazon wouldn't refund the second one.

Didn't like leviathan, has anyone read and enjoyed his YA books?

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