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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Groovelord Neato posted:warren has no shot unfortunately. in a sane country the primary would just be her and sanders but there's 1. too much overlap between who'd support them 2. too many primary voters that want an empty suit saying drivel. I still want her to hang around as long as possible, especially as people start dropping out constantly. The knives are just not out for her like they are for many other candidates, especially Bernie. And she's taken better care to make race issues a major part of her platform as opposed to Bernie's vagueness on that side of economic injustice, etc. You never know! https://twitter.com/hourlyFox/status/1114139381672153088
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Groovelord Neato posted:warren has no shot unfortunately. in a sane country the primary would just be her and sanders but there's 1. too much overlap between who'd support them 2. too many primary voters that want an empty suit saying drivel. I did a double take when I saw that poll where she has the highest number of "unfavorable" among Dems (17%). I can understand people plain not caring, but who the hell dislikes her enough to give that number? Do non-Natives who aren't conservatives care all that much about the DNA stuff?
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Apr 5, 2019 15:09
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She's a woman, that's a massive negative in America
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Apr 5, 2019 15:13
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YaketySass posted:I did a double take when I saw that poll where she has the highest number of "unfavorable" among Dems (17%). I can understand people plain not caring, but who the hell dislikes her enough to give that number? Do non-Natives who aren't conservatives care all that much about the DNA stuff? Angry misogynist centrists who think she's "unelectable".
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Apr 5, 2019 15:14
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Between this and Kamala Harris, what the hey "gently caress you dad"
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Apr 5, 2019 15:20
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KingNastidon posted:Can we point to any peer countries or economic competitors that dedicate finite resources on ensuring anyone interested university level instruction on philosophy or the bassoon can do so absolutely free of charge. Indefinitely, with no restrictions, given means testing or similar barriers are neoliberal evil. Speaking of the decadence... Didn't think I'd see an argument against public education this early in the morning but here we are
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Apr 5, 2019 15:26
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YaketySass posted:I did a double take when I saw that poll where she has the highest number of "unfavorable" among Dems (17%). I can understand people plain not caring, but who the hell dislikes her enough to give that number? Do non-Natives who aren't conservatives care all that much about the DNA stuff? I think a lot of people just see it as poor leadership versus caring about the issue specifically. VitalSigns posted:She's a woman, that's a massive negative in America While that’s generally true, when you compare Warren to the other women in the race she has unfavorables that are higher than even Tulsi. I’ve got to imagine the Harvard Professor angle plays into this too.
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Apr 5, 2019 15:29
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Can we point to any peer countries or economic competitors who teach all children reading, writing, and 'rithmetic instead of productively employing their small nimble hands and mine-shaft sized bodies in the coal mines, textile mills, and orphan hand-mangler manufacturers of the nation?
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Apr 5, 2019 15:30
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Trabisnikof posted:While that’s generally true, when you compare Warren to the other women in the race she has unfavorables that are higher than even Tulsi. I’ve got to imagine the Harvard Professor angle plays into this too. That's because no one has heard of them. Tulsi has 54% unknown and 10% unfavorability. Warren has 13% unknown and 17% unfavorability. 10/46 = 22% of people who know who Tulsi is dislike her 17/87 = 20% of people who know who Warren is dislike her
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Apr 5, 2019 15:33
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Trabisnikof posted:While that’s generally true, when you compare Warren to the other women in the race she has unfavorables that are higher than even Tulsi. I’ve got to imagine the Harvard Professor angle plays into this too. and harris is polling almost twice as high as her.
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Apr 5, 2019 15:34
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This is weird to even say this but is it possible that Warren just reminds people too much of Hillary? Just superficially I mean, not on policy (obviously). She's around the same age, and has that same tone to her voice.
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Apr 5, 2019 15:34
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Alot of the candidates are speaking at NAN today. It's live streaming.
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Apr 5, 2019 15:40
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Groovelord Neato posted:and harris is polling almost twice as high as her. Harris has 22% unknown and 11% unfavorability 11/78 = 14% of people who know who Harris is dislike her 13/69 = 19% of people who know who Gillibrand is dislike her 11/62 = 18% of people who know who Klobuchar is dislike her If you remove the people who have never heard of each candidate, it looks like all the women have comparable unfavorability numbers, except for Harris who is doing better than all of them for some reason (although not twice as good)
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Apr 5, 2019 15:40
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Mahoning posted:This is weird to even say this but is it possible that Warren just reminds people too much of Hillary? Just superficially I mean, not on policy (obviously). She's around the same age, and has that same tone to her voice. I think you are hitting on something that is not insignificant.
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Apr 5, 2019 15:45
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Warren is forcing the charisma a little too hard kinda like Clinton did, but there's still a huge difference. Warren obviously speaks from conviction, and I'm not convinced Hillary ever did.
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Apr 5, 2019 15:47
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Mahoning posted:This is weird to even say this but is it possible that Warren just reminds people too much of Hillary? Just superficially I mean, not on policy (obviously). She's around the same age, and has that same tone to her voice. From talking to red-state folks around me, the Pocahontas thing really dinged her, which is probably the reason for the 17% unfavorability. It set up a narrative that she's an affirmative-action cheat and white people hate that. Also, of course, misogyny. I think Kamala Harris would have higher unfavorables due to being both black and female but she's not well known enough. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Apr 5, 2019 |
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Apr 5, 2019 15:51
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She basically validated decades of right-wing horseshit bogeymen about affirmative action by actually doing the thing they fearmongered about.
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Apr 5, 2019 15:54
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https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1114177158245691398
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Apr 5, 2019 15:57
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Radish posted:Centrists never argue in good faith why should they start now? The tax controversy is absolutely pulled out of the ether and another standard that only applies to Sanders. This is like some nerd in a headlock chastising his bully for being immature.
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Apr 5, 2019 16:02
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VitalSigns posted:She basically validated decades of right-wing horseshit bogeymen about affirmative action by actually doing the thing they fearmongered about. which is....
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Apr 5, 2019 16:04
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If Warren keeps this up I might have to start examining my unconscious misogynist bias. Why am I supporting Bernie over her again? prob because bernie has charisma and warren doesn't
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Apr 5, 2019 16:05
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Trabisnikof posted:Fact: Free Firefighting Service is funded by taxes on people that include the poor. Probably the best classical reference so far.
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Apr 5, 2019 16:07
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Typo posted:prob because bernie has charisma and warren doesn't Oh I disagree, I think Warren actually does have a kind of angry grandma charisma.
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Apr 5, 2019 16:08
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silence_kit posted:Encouraging more people to become philosophy professors and bassoon players will mostly create more mediocre philosophy professors and bassoon players. Unlike, say an accountant, where you can be mediocre at your job and still make some kind of contribution to society, mediocre philosophers and bassoon players aren't really adding a whole lot. IMO, it is smarter to spend the government money on things which matter more to the lives of Americans like public housing, improved health care, and so on. Critical thinking and the arts are important to a healthy public society. Live performances and individualized teaching have a tangible impact on their communities, one that can't really be reproduced with watching YouTube videos. The idea that anyone who can't possibly be the very best at their artistic or intellectual (or athletic) occupation should go drown in mountains of paperwork is one of the most oppressively grey and lifeless worldviews I've run into.
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Apr 5, 2019 16:08
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Trabisnikof posted:While that’s generally true, when you compare Warren to the other women in the race she has unfavorables that are higher than even Tulsi. I’ve got to imagine the Harvard Professor angle plays into this too. No one who isn't Eternally Plugged In has any idea who the gently caress Tulsi Gabbard is, either.
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Apr 5, 2019 16:09
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Not Banksy? Guess you'd better go become a mediocre claims adjuster instead of creating murals and sculptures for your community to enjoy.
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Apr 5, 2019 16:10
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Oh I disagree, I think Warren actually does have a kind of angry grandma charisma. Hmmm, I dunno, just from kind of asking my family who they liked so far in the Democratic field, at least a few said they liked Warren's policies but that she seemed boring. Small sample size, but it may just be a lack of exposure and a lot of assumptions about an older woman.
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Apr 5, 2019 16:11
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Oh I disagree, I think Warren actually does have a kind of angry grandma charisma. I agree! I like Bernie but I could see how people would find his "old crank" way of speaking and rattling off stats to be a bit one note and off-putting (I don't but some do). Warren has grown immensely as a public speaker over the years.
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Apr 5, 2019 16:13
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KingNastidon posted:MMT doesn't state money/resources are infinite and is heavily reliant on being the reserve currency. People aren't ignoring this "one simple trick" to infinite wealth because it's just too drat good and smart. Japan has roughly twice the per capita debt that the US does. You don't need to be a reserve currency, you just need to own the majority of your debt in your own currency (so you can issue T-bills against your own debt to the rich, and also inflate your way out of it). No, MMT does not imply that we have infinite free money, particularly if you print it too quickly... but it does imply that national debt and household debt are completely unrelated concepts that function in entirely different ways. As an aside, the US just borrowed another Trillion dollars to pay for Trump's tax cuts.
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Apr 5, 2019 16:13
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Typo posted:which is.... The white supremacy of Elizabeth Warren quote:
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Oh I disagree, I think Warren actually does have a kind of angry grandma charisma. I just don't see it. It was clear to me that Warren was going to have a charisma problem that none of the other female candidates have over a couple years ago when I saw some of her campaign speeches on behalf of Clinton. I immediately thought "oh, this is not going to work out for her at all outside of MA". Every other candidate is fine aesthetically-speaking (not in terms of policy, obviously). If something happens with Bernie or if he for some reason falls in the polls, Warren is not going to ride in to win on the left lane. For those who are hoping for a Democratic Socialist or at least someone who is politically similar to Bernie, it really is him or bust.
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Apr 5, 2019 16:13
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Mahoning posted:Hmmm, I dunno, just from kind of asking my family who they liked so far in the Democratic field, at least a few said they liked Warren's policies but that she seemed boring. Small sample size, but it may just be a lack of exposure and a lot of assumptions about an older woman. Warren has actually managed to make a video go viral in the past, which is more than about 75% of the Democratic field can claim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htX2usfqMEs
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Apr 5, 2019 16:15
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I think Warren's seen as a pushover when push comes to shove.
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Apr 5, 2019 16:15
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I think Warren's seen as a pushover when push comes to shove. This is REAL sexism. What horseshit.
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Apr 5, 2019 16:17
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Apr 5, 2019 16:23
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she’s a nonstarter defender of capitalism and reeks of apologia and she’s very bad . Bernie is a compromise candidate . We want somebody further left but they don’t exist in amerikkka
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Apr 5, 2019 16:26
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I think Warren's seen as a pushover when push comes to shove. Isn't she literally the one who "and yet, she persisted"? She literally went viral for NOT being a pushover. Sucks if that's how people see her.
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Apr 5, 2019 16:27
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Isn't she literally the one who "and yet, she persisted"? She literally went viral for NOT being a pushover. Sucks if that's how people see her. She is, yes.
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Apr 5, 2019 16:33
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Warren is by far the best candidate policy wise.
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mcmagic posted:This is REAL sexism. What horseshit. Unfortunately, America is a hella sexist nation
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