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Yeah, there’s a certain logic in a cautious approach to France. Knocking them out means facing Russia right away. Best case scenario, Russia wears itself down enough that by the time we finish off Morocco we have a puncher’s chance. It would be an absolute inversion of our luck if Russia takes out France and gets into mutual hellwar with CSE, leaving us the strongest European power.
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Rodyle posted:Unless there's a mechanic that let's us get more troops from liberated nations I guess. In any case the European theater seems one we'd be best off being reactive in rather than proactive. If you can get to the peace conference (all major members of <faction X> have capitulated) you can then create liberated puppet governments and drain all their manpower for further liberations. As any 
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Apr 6, 2019 08:12
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The Adhoc Alliance should be renamed The Marxist Ummah 
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Well, at least the Russians will have to chew through Francia before they get to us, so small victories I guess.
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420 Gank Mid posted:What's our army looking like manpower/equipment wise? We only had ~300k men in the field when the war started but it looks like we've deployed a lot of divisions since then. Equipment is solid apart from tanks, because I've been making those templates bigger. We've pumped out a ton of other divisions as well, so manpower isn't looking great, I'll have to mess around with manpower laws as soon as possible (we're on extensive conscription atm). We have control over Iberian skies, French skies are a bit dicier, but I'll include a couple screenshots in the next update.
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Also, if the thread is adamant on focusing on the Moroccan front, then that's what I'll do (mostly).
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Yeah, I'm all for letting the Pyrenees do the heavy lifting for us too.
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honestly i think we want to keep morocco around a bit longer, as benin is headed towards the Pact and that will see africa united agains us, a Very Bad Thing
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if we can knock the franks out, we might be able to avoid Benin joining the weakest remaining bloc, potentially enticing them to our side in the medium term. 420 kill fascists every day
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V. Illych L. posted:honestly i think we want to keep morocco around a bit longer, as benin is headed towards the Pact and that will see africa united agains us, a Very Bad Thing If we manage to take Marrakesh before Benin joins that pact (assuming that's what they do), we can create a chokepoint a few provinces south of that, because everything east is the impassable Sahara. The rest of the Maghreb will be a battleground against Egypt regardless.
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yeah but then they'll presumably just send all their dudes to the levant, increasing pressure on the Belgrade regime - who already have their hands full with Russia e. not that i'm a disgraced general with hopes of redemption or anything
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If the Serbians can get to the Suez Canal that should be a pretty impassable chokepoint, but than gain the AI is pretty stupid so who knows?
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I've never played this game so, y'know, whatever you guys think is best. I'd vote for fortifying along the Garonne rather than the Pyrenees though, not that I really know the difference.
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I don’t know enough about the game to recommend an approach, so I would tell you to do whatever makes sense for you Hashim
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Luhood posted:I've never played this game so, y'know, whatever you guys think is best. I'd vote for fortifying along the Garonne rather than the Pyrenees though, not that I really know the difference. I'm not gonna abandon everything we've got so far, so we're staying along the Garonne. The Pyrenees will be our back-up, so I'm gonna start fortifying those just in case.
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I propose we offer Benin the rest of the Khedivate (including our conquests) in exchange for please not becoming bad guys, eh? Eh? Remember all the times we tried to destroy Morocco together? Weren't those great times?
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It is certainly looking like the Fascists are not going to survive this, which is good. France spent a lot of manpower in Germany and now they're between Russia (with all its manpower and industry) and Al-Andalus (with its human brain capable of encirclements). Japan has to deal with the Russian backline and two minor powers with nothing but French colonial garrisons for help, so I imagine whatever territory they gain will be tenuous at best. Only place where the Paris Pact might be at advantage is in Africa if Benin joins them, in which case they will likely consolidate the continent, but then Benin isn't really Fascist, so we're spared the darkest timeline.
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This war will depend on Benin. If they flip fascist, then Africa is a lost cause and our Balkan allies are in a lot of trouble while we're bottled behind France and Russian-occupied Eastern Europe. If they stay outside of the major factions, we can probably hold the line in France, consolidate Africa, and work eastwards from there. I don't recall exactly how it works in HOI, but is there an advantage to liberating Germany/Provence? Would they re-enter the war as active nations again? That might be worth it for the extra manpower alone, at least in Provence's case since their land isn't that far away (and doesn't directly border Russia, at least not yet). I wouldn't write off the Franks just yet, they have all of France and southern Britain as cores so they should have plenty of manpower for another year or more. They also have the stuff in Australia and the not-Americas so they probably won't capitulate even once they lose out in Europe. Is it worth it to start actively influencing Benin using PP? I've never really used any of the faction influencing mechanics in HOI. Here's a question: what about Italy (and, to a lesser extent, Palermo)? Neither one seems like they're exactly a powerhouse, but at this point every potential ally might help. Securing a line across the Alps to link up with our allies would also be worth doing. I assume Scandinavia is planning to sit this one out? I know I would, if I were them.
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We really, REALLY need to make some kind of offer to keep Benin on our side. If we have to cough up extra turf from the Khedivate, gently caress it. If we can keep Benin on our side and wrap up the Moroccans this feels feasible. Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Apr 6, 2019 |
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We should try to get New England into the AdHoc Alliance. If North Ibriz can be finished off quickly, Ibriz and New England can breakout into other fronts.
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orangelex44 posted:This war will depend on Benin. If they flip fascist, then Africa is a lost cause and our Balkan allies are in a lot of trouble while we're bottled behind France and Russian-occupied Eastern Europe. If they stay outside of the major factions, we can probably hold the line in France, consolidate Africa, and work eastwards from there. I don't recall exactly how it works in HOI, but is there an advantage to liberating Germany/Provence? Would they re-enter the war as active nations again? That might be worth it for the extra manpower alone, at least in Provence's case since their land isn't that far away (and doesn't directly border Russia, at least not yet). Yes, Provence/Germany can start fighting as we liberate their territory. Italy is about to join the Paris Pact, that's Francia's current focus. Once they do, Mizanur might launch a pre-emptive invasion into Palermo, to secure them against the inevitable Italian invasion of course. Both the League of Monarchies and Paris Pact are currently courting Scandinavia, so they won't be neutral for very long either.
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Captain Oblivious posted:We really, REALLY need to make some kind of offer to keep Benin on our side. If we have to cough up extra turf from the Khedivate, gently caress it. Agreed. If there's some way to do this, either by an added decision via mod or by using ingame influence tools, we should do it. HOI is the only Paradox game I've never played, so I don't know how we'd affect them ingame. Give them what they want of Morocco south of Rabat and the Atlas Mountains (and Rabat is negotiable), as well as the Khedivate north of the lower Congo, Kasai, and Sankuru rivers. We can't afford them joining the Fascists. Eleven Eleven posted:We should try to get New England into the AdHoc Alliance. If North Ibriz can be finished off quickly, Ibriz and New England can breakout into other fronts. Also agreed. This would be hard, given that they're capitalist dogs, but needs must in situations of extreme peril as we're currently facing. I have no idea how we'd do that, though, except maybe to tell our friends in the PRI that they're not getting as much of their land back as they wanted and the lions share is going to the New Englanders. Hashim posted:Italy is about to join the Paris Pact, that's Francia's current focus. Once they do, Mizanur might launch a pre-emptive invasion into Palermo, to secure them against the inevitable Italian invasion of course. Definitely on board with the liberation of Sicily- controlling that will allow us to base subs further east and enhance Communist dominance of the Mediterranean.
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Question, is our border with Narbuna fortified like the rest of the Pyrenees? If not, we need to get on that. Francia or Russia probably wouldn't think twice about violating Narbuna's sovereignty if it meant getting an easier route past us.
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I imagine that the Scandinavians lean towards the Paris Pact given their history and ideology. Their participation would help tremendously in further distracting the Russian military machine. Russia could even finally be defeated if the Japanese are not too bogged down in China. They would have far too many powerful enemies surrounding them. And I would never question the wisdom of our Supreme Leader, but it seems doubtful that invading Palmero makes more logistical sense than to try and liberate Provence if our goal is to guard against the Italians. We are already so close to liberating Provence anyways with numerous divisions in that area. Most importantly, I entirely agree that we should do everything in our power to prevent Benin from allying with the Paris Pact. If we need to offer up all of our recently conquered African territory in order to secure their neutrality, then so be it. We were the ones to jump start their industrialization, and the Iberians and Beninese have so much history fighting against the Moroccans together. Please don’t band together with the French fascists after working so hard to purge domestic fascists. Snipee fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Apr 6, 2019 |
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habeasdorkus posted:Question, is our border with Narbuna fortified like the rest of the Pyrenees? If not, we need to get on that. Francia or Russia probably wouldn't think twice about violating Narbuna's sovereignty if it meant getting an easier route past us. We should 100% annex Narbuna in order to get an easier route into France. Palmero is part of our inheritance, but so is Narbuna.
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Not really an inheritance if you never owned it, and your parents never owned it, and your parents' parents never owned it. Unless you're going for Uncle Tirruni where he owned all of Provence too.
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The more I think about it the more I like the idea of trying to ally with New England. It'll get the critical resources and manpower of North America united on our side in opposition to the fascists. Yes they're capitalist dogs but they do represent the most progressive element of the bourgeoisie and are an acceptable temporary ally against their more reactionary cousins.
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Crazycryodude posted:The more I think about it the more I like the idea of trying to ally with New England. It'll get the critical resources and manpower of North America united on our side in opposition to the fascists. Yes they're capitalist dogs but they do represent the most progressive element of the bourgeoisie and are an acceptable temporary ally against their more reactionary cousins. Otoh, I think they still hate both halves of Ibriz, I think.
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Crazycryodude posted:The more I think about it the more I like the idea of trying to ally with New England. It'll get the critical resources and manpower of North America united on our side in opposition to the fascists. Yes they're capitalist dogs but they do represent the most progressive element of the bourgeoisie and are an acceptable temporary ally against their more reactionary cousins. Ideologically impure but it's always nice when your enemy fights each other, approved.
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Hashim posted:Yes, Provence/Germany can start fighting as we liberate their territory. Well then, it's good to know that we have literally zero realistic options for new allies. We are absolutely screwed.
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orangelex44 posted:Well then, it's good to know that we have literally zero realistic options for new allies. We are absolutely screwed. Don't worry, hoi4 ai is bad enough that if we properly fortify, we can stalemate them until the nukes start flying.
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They existed for all of a week, but they still existed goddamit 
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Hashim posted:They existed for all of a week, but they still existed goddamit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUCm_NFpN1w
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Hashim posted:They existed for all of a week, but they still existed goddamit 
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Dance Officer posted:Don't worry, hoi4 ai is bad enough that if we properly fortify, we can stalemate them until the nukes start flying. If the French try to invade us, the AI will just continually ram forces into the Pyrenees into eventually there are no more French troops and then we can just waltz over and conquer them.
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....so.... What's life like in Waono today? Or Albionoria? Or... New France?
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Hashim posted:They existed for all of a week, but they still existed goddamit So the Russian Soviets of this timeline are the Irish Soviets of our timeline?
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Veryslightlymad posted:....so.... Hashim mentioned Waono is still an Absolute Monarchy and a developing nation. I'd imagine it has managed to maintain its sovereignty by selling access to its resources to the other Gharbian powers in exchange for development resources sort of like a Polynesian Saudi Arabia. Albionoria is Fascist IIRC but probably have designs on Frankish New World Territory so I doubt they'll join the Paris Pact. It's kinda hard to imagine what a Fascist frontier State would look like. No clue about New France since Hashim hasn't mentioned them much. Eleven Eleven fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Apr 7, 2019 |
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Erwin the German posted:I propose we offer Benin the rest of the Khedivate (including our conquests) in exchange for please not becoming bad guys, eh? Eh? Remember all the times we tried to destroy Morocco together? Weren't those great times? Seriously this, is there a way to come up with a decision to give them large tracts or even the entirety of the Khedivate in exchange for them joining our alliance? I never cared for the the liberal colonial ambitions and I'm certain a lot of my fellow Shura members feel the same way
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