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Rated PG-34 posted:I’m not claiming that Stalin is a swell guy, I’m claiming that the propaganda is unfair to him and by proxy the USSR and communism to the benefit of nazis and wealthy scum like Jeff Bezos. We shouldn’t repeat old cold war propaganda, and instead have a more sober analysis and critique of history. So you’re saying what, there was no great terror, no purges, and millions of soviet citizens didn’t die because of Uncle Joe?
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Rated PG-34 posted:The Stalin sketch was dumb black book of communism propaganda. Lol that you can even compare Hitler to Stalin. But I guess when you’re making bits on behalf of the richest man in the world, you gotta pander they're all rich as hell and likely hate the fact that someone who is going to make them pay slightly more tax in the UK has a good chance of being prime minister
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drgitlin posted:So you’re saying what, there was no great terror, no purges, and millions of soviet citizens didn’t die because of Uncle Joe? I’m saying the numbers were much lower than stated such that to compare Stalin with Hitler is a bad joke as the latter is responsible for something north of 80 million deaths.
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Rated PG-34 posted:I’m saying the numbers were much lower than stated such that to compare Stalin with Hitler is a bad joke as the latter is responsible for something north of 80 million deaths. So it would be more accurate to compare Stalin to Pol Pot?
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Apr 6, 2019 21:03
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"It was actually Hitler that killed 117 million people, not my best friend Joe "purge everyone I disagree with and delete them from photos even though Photoshop hasn't been invented yet" Stalin."
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Cojawfee posted:"It was actually Hitler that killed 117 million people, not my best friend Joe "purge everyone I disagree with and delete them from photos even though Photoshop hasn't been invented yet" Stalin." who caused world war 2?
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Rated PG-34 posted:I’m saying the numbers were much lower than stated such that to compare Stalin with Hitler is a bad joke as the latter is responsible for something north of 80 million deaths. You are counting (perhaps fairly) all the estimated deaths of WW2, thus seeing Nazi Germany and HItler as the sole cause of all the conflicts resulting of the war. The Stalin regime is estimated to have resulted in the deaths of between 20-43 million people, depending on which source (i.e. which of all the horrible events are counted). These are not combat deaths though. Oh and then there is Mao Zedong who managed to work 45 million people to death in less than the duration of WW2. Not to mention the immense suffering of the people living in these regimes. If you want to tell people that Stalin or other communist leaders weren't as bad or worse than Hitler, death tolls isn't the way to go about it. MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Apr 6, 2019 |
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Apr 6, 2019 21:13
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Deteriorata posted:So it would be more accurate to compare Stalin to Pol Pot? Nah, pol pot wiped out like a quarter of the population. Nor did Stalin have the backing of the US and Britain. Quite the contrary actually
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MrOnBicycle posted:You are counting (perhaps fairly) all the estimated deaths of WW2, thus seeing Nazi Germany as the sole cause of all the conflicts resulting of the war. The Stalin regime is estimated to have resulted in the deaths of between 20-43 million people, depending on which source (i.e. which of all the horrible events are counted). Oh and then there is Mao Zedong who managed to work 45 million people to death in less than the duration of WW2. Not to mention the immense suffering of the people living in these regimes. post your sources
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We get the best episode in years and this is what you idiots post about? e: Did anyone notice that Clarkson's glasses were broken at one point of the episode with no comment being made on it? bloom fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Apr 6, 2019 |
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Apr 6, 2019 21:37
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bloom posted:We get the best episode in years and this is what you idiots post about? This was the best episode of top gear or TGT in 6 or 7 years.
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bloom posted:We get the best episode in years and this is what you idiots post about? Why do you think some of us have been reading SA for so long? 
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Apr 6, 2019 22:11
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Who honestly still watches this poo poo anyway
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Apr 6, 2019 23:33
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Mongolia special might be my favorite episode ever of these 3 guys. I really wasn't expecting it to be this good, but clearly they nailed it
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Yeah going to make an off-topic post and state that was a good episode.
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dk2m posted:Mongolia special might be my favorite episode ever of these 3 guys. I really wasn't expecting it to be this good, but clearly they nailed it Impressive that they were able to work all the humor and content of the Bolivia special into a traversal of a much less varied terrain
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Yeah that was super good.
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Apr 7, 2019 04:39
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The most surprising thing about this one is that I never heard anyone yell CLARKSON! all angry. Like pranks aside, once they got the car put together there were a lot of opportunities to get angry about something and nobody did.
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Apr 7, 2019 04:51
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Is this a kit car or a one off?
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Friar Zucchini posted:The most surprising thing about this one is that I never heard anyone yell CLARKSON! all angry. Like pranks aside, once they got the car put together there were a lot of opportunities to get angry about something and nobody did.
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FogHelmut posted:Is this a kit car or a one off? One off built by a company called Howard Marshall Engineering based on the end credits.
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Jose posted:post your sources Nah. It's easy to find by yourself (no one else is posting sources while defending Stalin of all people) and this stupid derail has gone on for too long. Sorry I got sucked in and furthered the derail. Good to hear that TGT has become better. The first season was pretty bad (compared to the Top Gear years) but the second was better. Both felt too scripted and didn't have the illusion of improvisation like even the later Top Gear episodes had. I'll have to watch more of the 3rd season I guess. MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Apr 7, 2019 |
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sincx posted:I think an actual lesson you can take away from the Mongolia episode is that keeping things simple really does wonders for reliability. When all you have is a drive train and a few lights, not much can go wrong. All around the absence of competition and life threatening drama is really key to what made this so good for me. Just dicking around on holiday in a beautiful remote place.
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MrOnBicycle posted:Nah. It's easy to find by yourself (no ones else is posting sources while defending Stalin of all people) and this stupid derail has gone on for too long. A lot of words for the latter option of “post your sources or stfu”. If there’s any derail, it was on tgt, where are beloved boys spent a few min on a boring segment giving credence to dumb nazi propaganda that you among many others have eaten up.
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sincx posted:I think an actual lesson you can take away from the Mongolia episode is that keeping things simple really does wonders for reliability. When all you have is a drive train and a few lights, not much can go wrong. It also helps having a camera crew available who can radio out for spare parts to fix it when the cameras aren't rolling.
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Apr 7, 2019 13:08
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Qmass posted:No stupid bridge crossings with dramatic music... they just went around the bridge. No volcano or oxygen starvation or falling off mountains. I agree 100% with you, but I still would have like to have seen the skull waterfall. I even looked up Moron on google maps to see if I could find it. I found the double lake and the river, but couldn't see any waterfalls.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I agree 100% with you, but I still would have like to have seen the skull waterfall. Someone made this map of some of the landmarks, doesn't have everything yet and I'm not sure how accurate it is with some things: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qUCYZ4nxhH4dXnbmdjI1UtdkffStOaL4&usp=sharing
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Deteriorata posted:It also helps having a camera crew available who can radio out for spare parts to fix it when the cameras aren't rolling. It'll almost certainly never happen, but I'd be really interested in a behind the scenes special where it shows what it takes to produce one of these trips.
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What was going on with the drivetrain causing the hop?
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blunt posted:It'll almost certainly never happen, but I'd be really interested in a behind the scenes special where it shows what it takes to produce one of these trips.
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FogHelmut posted:What was going on with the drivetrain causing the hop? probably a lack of weight on the front end that doesn't allow the wheels to grip when the spin (I think thats what they said)-- thats why they reverse up for a bit to fix the problem. Conservation of angular momentum?
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FogHelmut posted:What was going on with the drivetrain causing the hop? I’m not an engineer, but I’d say not enough weight over the front axel combined with four-wheel drive and the knobby tires.
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What I want to know is did they have to caulk the land cruiser and float it across the river? Or just cross using the marked crossing that was probably 10km downstream?
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:What I want to know is did they have to caulk the land cruiser and float it across the river? Or just cross using the marked crossing that was probably 10km downstream? According to the map posted above, it looks like they drove right past the village of dzagasata dugan, so they were probably able to ford there. Or at the delightful Harganat River Lodge perhaps.  Zoom out on the links to see the markers for the special. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Apr 7, 2019 |
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Megillah Gorilla posted:According to the map posted above, it looks like they drove right past the village of dzagasata dugan, so they were probably able to ford there. Yeah, following the map there were several settlements/campgrounds along their route. They had to set up their shots carefully to maintain the illusion that they were in the middle of nowhere.
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You mean to tell me that overhead data line they came upon wasn't just striking out into nothing from the oasis of Mörön? It was a good episode. As always, it's scripted just enough to be annoying, because it's really not necessary. That area is legitimately remote, it didn't need to be exaggerated. The part where John was almost completely sideways was very sketchy (and silly as always, clearly the camera crew didn't cross that garbage).
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