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Munin posted:Ok, what am I looking at here because I'm not sure what to say to that. (also, foreign language deficient) Largely Swedish nazis Nordic Resistance Movement encapsulated by cops as they march unannounced through Copenhagen. They hid their faces and started shoving the cops protecting them, so they were told it was illegal to assault cops and hide their faces. Compare with literally any other protest where that sort of behavior would be met immediately with nightsticks, tear gas and mass arrests. I mean the Danish chapter even harassed the Minister of Justice at his home address, I can't imagine why they're being coddled. SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Apr 8, 2019 |
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SplitSoul posted:I can't imagine why they're being coddled. I think you can, but it's a really goddamn uncomfortable thought.
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Apr 8, 2019 12:34
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In a truly inspired piece of spin, Peter Kofod said "I don't have to agree with what other parties do in other countries.". It's true, he doesn't have to, it just so happens that it seems like he and his entire party does. How curious.
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Apr 8, 2019 12:39
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SplitSoul posted:Largely Swedish nazis Nordic Resistance Movement encapsulated by cops as they march unannounced through Copenhagen. They hid their faces and started shoving the cops protecting them, so they were told it was illegal to assault cops and hide their faces. Compare with literally any other protest where that sort of behavior would be met immediately with nightsticks, tear gas and mass arrests. They really bend their backs in trying to cover for the nazis.
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Apr 8, 2019 12:44
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KozmoNaut posted:I think you can, but it's a really goddamn uncomfortable thought. I'm accustomed to those by now tbh. My preceding thought was about the girl who had her face partially paralysed by a cop's pressure point hold when the Brorson Church was cleared out.
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Apr 8, 2019 12:49
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Rutkowski posted:NRM set of a series of bombs in Gothenburg against asylum housing and a left-wing community center, permanently injuring one janitor, and weren't charged with terrorism because immigrants are not counted as a singular group and as such it wasn't terrorism according to the law as it must be target at a group, not groups. this seems as though it should cover for a spectacular amount of potential hate crime, e.g. no i bombed a church containing both lutherans and catholics so it can't be terrorism
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Apr 8, 2019 12:53
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V. Illych L. posted:this seems as though it should cover for a spectacular amount of potential hate crime, e.g. no i bombed a church containing both lutherans and catholics so it can't be terrorism I targeted both men and women, clearly it is not terrorism!
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Apr 8, 2019 13:05
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Cynic Jester posted:I targeted both men and women, clearly it is not terrorism! I targeted those specific 34 people as individuals -> not terrorism.
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Apr 8, 2019 13:14
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NMR should even fulfill the constitutional requirements for forced dissolution as their precepts include violence, but nah, let's give them a wall of cops to hide behind instead.
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Apr 8, 2019 14:59
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SplitSoul posted:NMR should even fulfill the constitutional requirements for forced dissolution as their precepts include violence, but nah, let's give them a wall of cops to hide behind instead. Law in question is the Olovlig Kårverksamhet law. It was instituted back in '34.
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Apr 8, 2019 15:40
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V. Illych L. posted:nazis, and the Nordic Resistance
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Apr 8, 2019 16:05
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I still have the feelgoods from when NMR tried to march in Stockholm and got super butthurt that the police diverted them to some side streets away from attention so they canceled their parade while people around them called them idiots
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Apr 8, 2019 16:17
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Ahahaha, AfS got last second denied their booking in Tyresö this evening. It's valvaka all over again and Kasselstrand is sooooo butthurt. They plan to hold a meeting outside the cinema instead. It's one degree and windy. I hope they freeze.
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Apr 8, 2019 18:29
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Thankfully there's always a centrally heated Danish venue available.
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Apr 8, 2019 18:49
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SplitSoul posted:Largely Swedish nazis Nordic Resistance Movement encapsulated by cops as they march unannounced through Copenhagen. They hid their faces and started shoving the cops protecting them, so they were told it was illegal to assault cops and hide their faces. Compare with literally any other protest where that sort of behavior would be met immediately with nightsticks, tear gas and mass arrests. Ok, it kinda looked as if the cops were part of the march which would have been even more bonkers.
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Apr 9, 2019 01:26
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Well, if the cops are marching side by side with them for their protection...
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Apr 9, 2019 07:56
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Munin posted:Ok, it kinda looked as if the cops were part of the march which would have been even more bonkers. weren't they?
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Apr 9, 2019 07:57
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Yeah, that was the point I was trying to make. As for the latest Nazi showing in Oslo the police went to every length to let them speak, cordoning off a huge dmz, and making a show of force to the counterprotesters beforehand. To their credit they did not harass us during, and we easily drowned out the racist messages. They also stopped two Nazis who wanted to show off for the cameras from approaching the anarchists after the demo. A shame, but any liberals will be happy to know the discourse with the Nazis was "civilized".
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Apr 9, 2019 08:09
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Government Handjob posted:Well, if the cops are marching side by side with them for their protection... Something something about the foundations of democracy and free speech. Given that roughly 2000 people voted on the nazis in the last Swedish election, you people are vastly exaggerating the influence and power of actual nazis. The police is there to stop escalation, because we all know that both nazis and counter protesters would arm themselves (even more) in the absence of police.
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Apr 9, 2019 08:14
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Cardiac posted:The police is there to stop escalation, because we all know that both nazis and counter protesters would arm themselves (even more) in the absence of police.
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Apr 9, 2019 09:05
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For other examples of de-escalation see COP15 mass arrests, Brorson Church eviction, Maastricht Treaty riots.
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Apr 9, 2019 09:21
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Cardiac posted:Something something about the foundations of democracy and free speech. They are an imminent and lethal threat to numerous people though. They've proven again and again that they don't need official state support to be dangerous, just the flaccid acceptance of people like you who discredit them because they're not doing a March on Rome yet.
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Apr 9, 2019 09:58
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For every nazi there's hundreds of people who would tolerate a nazi regime as long as their own lives get to continue as normal. The tipping point is far below 51% nazis.
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Apr 9, 2019 10:43
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Historians seem to agree that during the Nazi occupation of Denmark, only about 1% were officially supporting the Nazis. About 1% is also the amount of Danes who were in the resistence movement. So you're absolutely right, it definitely does not take very much - which is absolutely terrifying to me.
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The year is 2088. God Emperor Racismus Paludanazi of Denazimark has just finished his daily bacon grease anointing. His black sun gaze scans the room, evaluating each of his most trusted lieutenants in turn. A previously unnoticed Jewish deviation of 0.14mm in the nasal profile of Überschinke Rauschberg catches his watchful eye. "UNACCEPTABLY JEWISH!" he thunders, "READY THE HELICOPTER, NO PARACHUTE!". Überschinke Rauschberg is immediately siezed by armed supersoldiers. She protests, "Please my Lord, I am your most loyal and ardent supporter, I masterminded the plague lab camps!" She is dragged away, screaming and whimpering. "Racial purity has been restored. For now."
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Apr 9, 2019 15:00
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Friendly reminder that even NSDAP started out getting miniscule results in the elections of 1924 (0.1%). This poo poo gets out of hand fast as gently caress once their rhetoric is normalized, though and within a few years NSDAP was seeing numbers around 15 - 20% in elections. So yeah...
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Apr 9, 2019 15:01
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It's real easy to be all dismissive of the nazis when you're not on the target list. Of course, the Cardiacs of the world have been just as dismissive no matter how much support the nazis are getting, almost as if they don't actually care.
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Apr 9, 2019 15:13
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Government Handjob posted:Friendly reminder that even NSDAP started out getting miniscule results in the elections of 1924 (0.1%). Yeah NSDAP went from an irrelevant and largely regional phenomena to the party we all know and hate in roughly one lead-up to the great depression. 
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Government Handjob posted:Friendly reminder that even NSDAP started out getting miniscule results in the elections of 1924 (0.1%). Speaking of actual fascists, "nye borgerlige" didn't get in last election, but they're looking like a sure thing this time.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:Speaking of actual fascists, "nye borgerlige" didn't get in last election, but they're looking like a sure thing this time. At least for now the most reactionary people are gonna be split between Nye Borgerlige, Demokratene, Partiet De Kristne, Alliansen, Selvstendighetspartiet and Norgespartiet. I miss the times when Frp was a fringe party widely considered to be Your Drunk Racist Uncle That No One Takes Seriously.
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Apr 9, 2019 15:22
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Look at France during WW2. It wasn't even their own nazi regime. It was a foreign, hostile occupying nazi regime. Still people kept going as normal. The cogs kept spinning and the nazis got manpower, food and materials all through the war. The French resistance only really offered passive resistance. Making resistance newspapers etc. It was when they realised that Germany was going to lose the war that they got active.
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D. Ebdrup posted:Historians seem to agree that during the Nazi occupation of Denmark, only about 1% were officially supporting the Nazis. 0.6% were actual members of the party, IIRC, so that seems a bit low. Happy April 9th! 
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Katt posted:
I think that's kinda unfair considering that the resistance knew that for every successful operation they pulled their would be massive reprisals on the civilian population. For example,when the Czechoslovakian resistance movement killed Reinhard Heydrich the nazis killed 5000 civilians, entire villages were leveled.
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Alhazred posted:I think that's kinda unfair considering that the resistance knew that for every successful operation they pulled their would be massive reprisals on the civilian population. For example,when the Czechoslovakian resistance movement killed Reinhard Heydrich the nazis killed 5000 civilians, entire villages were leveled. Comfortable excuse in retrospect though at the time it was more like "But I got this neat house and the nazis pay well for my goods so why rock the boat?" I think it's just a European thing. Most Russians would have none of that even before the nazis showed themselves to be mass murderers. The same thing happened during Napoleonic wars. Napoleon comes up to an Austrian farmer all "sell me your crops and pay me your taxes and things will remain as they were" and the Austrian farmer agrees. Napoleon tried the same with Russian farmers and even nobles and they burned the fields and fled. The nobles even spoke French and knew Napoleon wasn't coming to destroy everything but they still wouldn't have any of it.
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Apr 9, 2019 18:06
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I'm pretty sure Stalin knew what he was doing when he decided to deport all those troublesome minorities.
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Apr 9, 2019 18:49
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Alhazred posted:I'm pretty sure Stalin knew what he was doing when he decided to deport all those troublesome minorities. Straying dangerously close to "Hitler was bad... but!" territory there.
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Apr 9, 2019 19:07
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honestly passive resistance owns bones and is entirely respectable, and its denigration is pretty shameful i'm biassed here since my granddad basically got tortured to death (not immediately, but it did break his health and he perished like fifteen years after liberation) for organising engineered bureacratic inertia and slow-walk actions in his industrial municipality, but anyone who believes in the power of industrial action should recognise that that stuff was no joke and did genuine and recognised damage to the german war effort
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"Putting a lot of japanese-americans in interment camps were bad." "Straying dangerously close to "Hitler was bad... but!" territory there."
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