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Does the show ever get into how Niles and Maris even got together? My guess is they actually have a lot in common, but the problem is much of what they do have in common is all their worst traits.
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Apr 7, 2019 06:50
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Does the show ever get into how Niles and Maris even got together? Basically it was before he became a shrink (but was in school). He was driving through the frou-frou area of town and Maris was locked outside her palatial estate's gate. He stopped to help her and they both either were shocked by the gate as it reactivated (or the static from Niles' assuredly un-leather car interior).
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Apr 7, 2019 08:00
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FilthyImp posted:Niles tells the story once. Well, that explains a lot.
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Apr 7, 2019 08:08
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Calaveron posted:Oh absolutely. She completely sells Diane as being a horrible beast and also someone who is just confused and scared of being alone and also just a weirdo pretentious with a good heart Yeah Diane was my favorite character on Cheers when I watched it recently. Anytime she opens her mouth with a "well actually" or something you know hilarity is coming. The perfect Diane moment is the Thanksgiving episode where they're at Carla's and Sam says "This is great, and you don't even have to worry about your weird aunt showing up" then Diane walks in the door wearing a pilgrim costume crying.
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Apr 7, 2019 08:55
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Diane's play on Frasier is one of the funniest episodes too. "Salutations all!" says the Frasier clone as Frasier nods in approval. His blowup is great too.
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Apr 7, 2019 09:05
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"A prickly choice, Stan. I'm reminded of when the Earl of Sandwich was asked if he would rather die of the gallows or the pox. 'That depends sir, on whether I embrace your principles or your mistress'" 
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Apr 7, 2019 15:16
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Cheers is an excellent prequel series.
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Apr 7, 2019 16:00
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Well, that explains a lot.
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Apr 7, 2019 18:43
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Her money comes from owning lots of shitters!
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Apr 8, 2019 00:47
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oldpainless posted:Her money comes from owning lots of shitters! Urinal cakes, actually
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Apr 8, 2019 01:37
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I've flushed out your family secret!
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Apr 8, 2019 14:39
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And then Donny and Daphne got together....poor Niles. Poor creepy stalkery Niles.
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Apr 8, 2019 14:43
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Solice Kirsk posted:And then Donny and Daphne got together....poor Niles. Poor creepy stalkery Niles. That episode where Niles tries to get Roz and Donny together at the cabin is 31 flavors of cringe.
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Apr 8, 2019 19:13
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FilthyImp posted:Yeah. Niles is cast as a dreamer with upper crust social climber aspirations who saves a damsel in distress. Maris is probably wowed by this rugged working commoner who comes out of nowhere to solve her problems (but has enough class to not be a total peasant). I was her first bad boy.
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Apr 8, 2019 19:38
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Wow I forgot how much Simon completely sucks the comedy out of every scene he's in
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Apr 8, 2019 21:36
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And as bad as he is he's still better than Daphne's mom.
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Apr 8, 2019 21:37
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It's baffling why the writers or producers felt these characters just *had* *to* *keep* *appearing*.
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Apr 8, 2019 21:39
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Solice Kirsk posted:And as bad as he is he's still better than Daphne's mom. I remember her being horrible but I've only seen one brief scene with her so far, when she first arrives for the wedding It was really bad
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Apr 8, 2019 21:40
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Sagacity posted:It's baffling why the writers or producers felt these characters just *had* *to* *keep* *appearing*. One, Simon needs to be louder, drunker, and have access to a time machine. Two, whenever Simon's not onscreen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Simon?"
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Apr 8, 2019 21:42
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Daphne's family is just best left as this amorphous entity consisting of skeevy impolite and inconsiderate anecdotes. Actually making them characters makes them way, way, way too abrasive and not at all redeeming.Quote-Unquote posted:One, Simon needs to be louder, drunker, and have access to a time machine. Two, whenever Simon's not onscreen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Simon?" I liked what Donny brought to the cast, since he had wealth to throw around but was kind of a slobby guy who knew where he could best make his living and never complained about it.
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Apr 8, 2019 21:47
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I liked Donny and Mel a lot as characters. Turning them into cartoon villains to make Daphne and Niles not look like total assholes was bad writing. They should have both stayed married and loved each other secretly for a season or so to build it up better. As it stands Daphne just outright falls in love with him and destroys her wedding in the span of like 5 episodes. It's weird.
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Apr 8, 2019 21:51
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Mel was weird and it was strange to see Niles so cool with her breaking doctor/patient confidentiality when not long prior he schemed to screw over another doctor for sleeping with his wife.
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Apr 8, 2019 21:57
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Bloodplay it again posted:Mel was weird and it was strange to see Niles so cool with her breaking doctor/patient confidentiality when not long prior he schemed to screw over another doctor for sleeping with his wife. she was hot and niles was thirsty do not give the crane buoys too much credit
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Apr 8, 2019 21:59
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Quote-Unquote posted:One, Simon needs to be louder, drunker, and have access to a time machine. Two, whenever Simon's not onscreen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Simon?"
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Apr 8, 2019 22:02
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Solice Kirsk posted:I liked Donny and Mel a lot as characters. Turning them into cartoon villains to make Daphne and Niles not look like total assholes was bad writing. They should have both stayed married and loved each other secretly for a season or so to build it up better. As it stands Daphne just outright falls in love with him and destroys her wedding in the span of like 5 episodes. It's weird. Yea it's a level of character inconsistency we hadn't seen on the show before, and you can tell the writers were just itching to get Niles and Daphne together without making them look bad so Mel and Donny had to become comically bad/evil. Although Donny ends up coming across as the one who dealt with it better overall, they really went to town on making Mel into a villain with the whole "you have to stay fake married to me to keep up appearances" subplot
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Apr 8, 2019 22:06
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Bloodplay it again posted:Mel was weird and it was strange to see Niles so cool with her breaking doctor/patient confidentiality when not long prior he schemed to screw over another doctor for sleeping with his wife. There's a lot that doesn't make sense with their relationship. They're still a better match for each other than Niles and Daphne though.
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Apr 8, 2019 22:23
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Solice Kirsk posted:I liked Donny and Mel a lot as characters. Turning them into cartoon villains to make Daphne and Niles not look like total assholes was bad writing. Donnie was good, though. And yes, the resolution to the whole Niles Daphne thing was terrible
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Apr 8, 2019 22:23
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Sagacity posted:So what you're saying is Simon could've been a worthwhile character if they just rastafied him by another ten percent or so? Maybe if he was in a hiphop context. With a shmear of surfer.
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Apr 8, 2019 22:24
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hey cool it's time for my monthly "mel is godawful literally from the first scene she is introduced in, you guys talking about her 'becoming a villain' are fuckin' nuts" post
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Apr 8, 2019 22:26
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Yeah I just watched the whole arc up to the wedding and Mel was pretty unpleasant the whole time.
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Apr 8, 2019 22:27
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also donny was totally cool in every episode he was in, like he even dropped the lawsuits after a solid 22 minutes, and his resolution/failed courthouse wedding is a much better and funnier coda to being left at the altar than frasier "well i guess i'll just go back to the bar and see everyone almost every night and literally not have any emotional resolution to this until a decade later in an entirely different sitcom" crane
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Apr 8, 2019 22:28
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WampaLord posted:Yea it's a level of character inconsistency we hadn't seen on the show before, and you can tell the writers were just itching to get Niles and Daphne together without making them look bad so Mel and Donny had to become comically bad/evil. Although Donny ends up coming across as the one who dealt with it better overall, they really went to town on making Mel into a villain with the whole "you have to stay fake married to me to keep up appearances" subplot Mel being a supervillain did give us that awesome episode with Victor Garber as the butler, though. "Your foam finger, sir."
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Apr 8, 2019 22:28
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nthing that Donnie owns Until Frasier pisses him off he's ready to drop the suit and says that he only started it because he's a lawyer and it was his instinct lol
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Apr 8, 2019 22:35
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Niles in the whippet episode: I had a bad dream. I dreamt that Maris came back and stole Maris! And then Maris drove off with Maris and I ran off down the street after them and I yelled "Maris! Maris!" And then my teeth fell out. Daphne you were there. Can I sleep in your living room?
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Apr 8, 2019 22:49
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food court bailiff posted:his resolution/failed courthouse wedding is a much better and funnier coda to being left at the altar Then Daphne needs to go see him before his second wedding and it's just like, stop, leave the man alone. The only thing worse than Mel was Frasier ping-ponging between "Sexy brusque divorcee" and "Literally his ideal woman" during the last season or two.
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Apr 8, 2019 22:49
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food court bailiff posted:hey cool it's time for my monthly "mel is godawful literally from the first scene she is introduced in, you guys talking about her 'becoming a villain' are fuckin' nuts" post I mean she's introduced as female Niles, and if you're calling Niles godawful, buddy we got problems agreed with everyone that Donny was cool and good overall
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Apr 8, 2019 23:05
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WampaLord posted:I mean she's introduced as female Niles Yeah watch this and tell me she's just female Niles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npgnRPhyFTg&t=25s
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Apr 8, 2019 23:13
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food court bailiff posted:his resolution/failed courthouse wedding is a much better and funnier coda to being left at the altar than frasier "well i guess i'll just go back to the bar and see everyone almost every night and literally not have any emotional resolution to this until a decade later in an entirely different sitcom" crane Donnie's mom sussing Daphne out when he's getting re-married is great. And his little speech about how there just isn't anyone else good out there is perfect.
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food court bailiff posted:hey cool it's time for my monthly "mel is godawful literally from the first scene she is introduced in, you guys talking about her 'becoming a villain' are fuckin' nuts" post I find the actress who played her pretty fuckin' hot, so I'm inclined to cut her character some unearned slack. It's me, the one with Niles' Thirst Disease.
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