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Prav
Oct 29, 2011

Shear Modulus posted:

i dunno if you can be an honest theoretical physicist without acknowledging that there are goings-on beyond current human comprehension

it's religion for positivists

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mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

Outrail posted:

I dont know why my house isn't plumetting into the earth but I'm sure enough that there's poo poo like rocks and dinosaurs and Brendan Frasier down there holding it up, and that if i put in enough effort and had a TheCore vehicle I'd figure out what's down there. Just because I don't know for sure doesn't mean I assume it's magic.

Your house isnt plummeting into the earth because even the devil can’t stand you.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/AngryManTV/status/1114259441384398853?s=19

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void


it's called my mouth!

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
You've been fired from the dick sucking factory due to automation

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010


This belongs in the "things that make you happy" thread, not here.

Jose posted:

You've been fired from the dick sucking factory due to automation

:aaa:

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1115548996217593857

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


That seems like a pretty specific use case

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 212 days!

Outrail posted:

I dont know why my house isn't plumetting into the earth but I'm sure enough that there's poo poo like rocks and dinosaurs and Brendan Frasier down there holding it up, and that if i put in enough effort and had a TheCore vehicle I'd figure out what's down there. Just because I don't know for sure doesn't mean I assume it's magic.

okay this might sound crazy, but hear me out: what if, without something under your house, it wouldn't fall down in the first place, because an invisible power that we can observe and measure indirectly but not explain causes physical objects to move towards other physical objects

what if it turned out that without this invisible power, there would be no "down"?

it gets even crazier: the only reason this invisible power hasn't compressed everything that exists into a single all-devouring one-dimensional dot is because there's another invisible power that causes space itself to expand, and this second power is an immense but inaccessible source of energy present within nothingness itself and the only thing we really know about it is that the entire universe we can see and interact with is tiny compared to it

Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 13:03 on Apr 9, 2019

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



aphid_licker posted:

That seems like a pretty specific use case

Yea they could sell these for home use. Every home should have one in the corner of the living room!

Wutang-Yutani CORP
Sep 25, 2005

CORPORATIONS
RULE
EVERYTHING
AROUND
ME

Hodgepodge posted:

Looking at synopsis, it seems as if the books has more to do with the absolute poo poo job physicists do explaining what they're talking about than anything else. Unfortunately, what they mean when they say "observation" has nothing to do with what it sounds like when they say it. It just means that quantum systems are delicate and only have specific values for certain things we want to measure after they've been disturbed sufficiently by interaction with another system. The fact that we can't even observe quantum systems directly with our perceptions should have been a huge clue to this- it would imply that reality didn't even exist until the early 20th Century.

What really bugs me about physicists, and other scientists operating in fields such as the psychology of consciousness, is how they aggressive they are about looking at evidence which suggest some conclusion is a possible interpretation and then eagerly talk to the public as if that result is certain, without acknowledging that there are alternate interpretations and strong criticisms from within their field, that theirs is not tested, that the role of interpretation in science is to generate new hypothesis to be tested and that their untested interpretation is in fact no more valid than saying "god did it," and in some important recent cases involving cosmic inflation and the idea of a multiverse, that the conclusions they've drawn are unfalsifiable and their argument is actually that we should effectively give up and abandon science entirely in key areas of cosmology.

Meanwhile, most of their peers actually acknowledge the limits of their methods and evidence, but don't get nearly as much attention because they have a sense of responsibility and argue from evidence instead of their own institutional authority.

The authors offer a number of anecdotes throughout the book that speak to Shear Modulus's point. You would need to read the actual book instead of just the amazon summary page.

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe
I did a sperm count test once. Never did check the result because wife was pregnant. They put me in a dimly lit small room with some smut and told me to have at it. I didn't have to see anyone afterward just left the stuff in a box. It was pretty comfortable environment to spank one out. However the porn on the DVDR were all old random downloads from the internet. Yes DVDR in 2017.

jimmyjams
Jan 10, 2001


King Kong of Megadongs
Gobblin' them mega schlongs
Makin' sure they mega long
Stroke' 'em if they mega strong
why not DVDA

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

jimmyjams posted:

why not DVDA

Rectum?

drat near anus.

Local Weather
Feb 12, 2005

Don't worry, I'll give you a sign. The sign will be that life is awesome

tino posted:

I did a sperm count test once. Never did check the result because wife was pregnant. They put me in a dimly lit small room with some smut and told me to have at it. I didn't have to see anyone afterward just left the stuff in a box. It was pretty comfortable environment to spank one out. However the porn on the DVDR were all old random downloads from the internet. Yes DVDR in 2017.

I did the same thing but they told me as long as I could get to the lab in 20 minutes I could just do it at home. I did feel a little weird racing to the place with the "sample" in a little jar in a paper bag on the seat next to me.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
lol brian krebs decides to use facebooks reporting system to flag scammer and hacker groups, received nothing but “Facebook has determined that these accounts have don’t nothing wrong” responses.

posted on twitter to his 250k+ folllowers about how fb’s reporting system is a loving joke and immediately fb closes/bans all of the groups and people he was tagging.

:thunk:

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/04/a-year-later-cybercrime-groups-still-rampant-on-facebook/

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Hodgepodge posted:

okay this might sound crazy, but hear me out: what if, without something under your house, it wouldn't fall down in the first place, because an invisible power that we can observe and measure indirectly but not explain causes physical objects to move towards other physical objects

what if it turned out that without this invisible power, there would be no "down"?

it gets even crazier: the only reason this invisible power hasn't compressed everything that exists into a single all-devouring one-dimensional dot is because there's another invisible power that causes space itself to expand, and this second power is an immense but inaccessible source of energy present within nothingness itself and the only thing we really know about it is that the entire universe we can see and interact with is tiny compared to it

Sure, that makes sense. But that just something we don't understand, it's still not magic and ghosts and spirits. In the past everything we've attributed to supernatural occurrence turns out to be a phenomenon we just don't understand yet, and then when we do understand it it's just understandable things following preset laws. But this time it's different! This time it's ghosts!

Reality isnt a Spooky spiritual thing, once we year off it's mask its just old man gravity trying to trick us. There's no magic ghosts.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Pidgin Englishman posted:

There's no such thing as magic, but there's absolutely unknowables. Dealing with them requires either a level of spirituality or pretending they don't exist. In so much as spirituality is your ability to believe in things without hard evidence. As if you dig into anything deep enough you'll absolutely run out of hard evidence.

*Just brain farts*

or just enough loving humility to accept that there is some information you can't obtain or infer without crediting it to an omniscient being

"we don't know anything about X" does not necessarily lead to "therefore, X is magic". you don't need spirituality to accept that there are things you don't know. you certainly can feed spirituality into that, if you have a preexisting disposition toward it, but it's not required and can occasionally lead people off into pseudoscientific dead ends because their eagerness to fit things into a spiritualist framework leads to making conclusions not supported by the facts

for example, judging from its website and the numerous explanatory pages the authors write about the controversy and persecution they're facing from mean quantum physicists, The Quantum Enigma apparently jumps straight from "observation alone seems to affect things and we don't know why" to "clearly that means consciousness itself plays a fundamental role in the laws of the universe and quantum physicists are just a bunch of denialists who deliberately blind themselves to the truth". sure thing, Mulder

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/alexhern/status/1115618026546696192

Paramemetic
Sep 29, 2003

Area 51. You heard of it, right?





Fallen Rib

Wow rude

The Ouija industry fallout will be huge

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Main Paineframe posted:

The Quantum Enigma apparently jumps straight from "observation alone seems to affect things and we don't know why" to "clearly that means consciousness itself plays a fundamental role in the laws of the universe and quantum physicists are just a bunch of denialists who deliberately blind themselves to the truth". sure thing, Mulder

To pick a nit, we do know why, we just don't know how. Einstein himself knew that in order for the laws to be correct that there would have to be "spooky action at a distance" so the why is that that's how the universe is built.

Einstein's spirituality is best understood through the "God as watchmaker" view. The guy just figured out the general fabric of spacetime, he understandably saw the universe as an incredibly complex creation that he looked at as divine in its mechanism. I'd imagine anyone who suddenly saw how everything fits together would have a similar feeling of awe.

I'm not about to give the guy a hard time by citing the puddle theory even though that is what it essentially boils down to. You can choose to see it both ways, but only one has, well, Main Paineframe said it best:

Main Paineframe posted:

just enough loving humility to accept that there is some information you can't obtain or infer without crediting it to an omniscient being

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Local Weather posted:

I just filed my Dutch taxes and will be filing my American taxes here shortly. If I could speak Dutch I would have finished them in 15-20 minutes and that’s with mortgage stuff and everything. My US taxes will take longer and I haven’t even lived there for 3 years.

form 2555 and done mate

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG



I thought this was the *dys*topia thread

Segata Sanshiro
Sep 10, 2011

we can live for nothing
baby i don't care

lose me like the ocean
feel the motion

:coolfish:

imagine the automatic sperm extractor except it has an anime girl body :signings:

no one steal my get rich scheme

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

SlothfulCobra posted:

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2019/04/03/709656642/episode-760-tax-hero
https://priceonomics.com/the-stanford-professor-who-fought-the-tax-lobby/

In America, the way you pay your taxes is arcane and burdensome compared to the way people do it in other countries where most of the form is just pre-filled out. A professor in California tried to change this, only to be fought by the company behind turbotax (who make money off of the difficulty paying taxes). Also, once he finally managed to get politicians to listen to him, Republicans shut him down as part of the tax pledge devised by human garbage, Grover Norquist. The idea is that if paying taxes is easy and painless, people wouldn't resent taxes as much, which would damage the politicians campaigning on an anti-tax platform.

Basically, the Republicans fought to extend suffering so they could pretend to slightly alleviate it, while there is also a big business making money directly off of the suffering. Not like the most suffering, there's worse suffering out there, but it's one more way to make your life worse.

Good news, some bipartisan legislation is in the works... to make things worse! https://www.propublica.org/article/congress-is-about-to-ban-the-government-from-offering-free-online-tax-filing-thank-turbotax

Congress Is About to Ban the Government From Offering Free Online Tax Filing. Thank TurboTax.

A bill supported by Democrats and Republicans would make permanent a program that bars the IRS from ever developing its own online tax filing service.

Vox Nihili has issued a correction as of 16:43 on Apr 9, 2019

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Bilirubin posted:

I thought this was the *dys*topia thread

Thank you!

*mimes golf swing* hi yooooooooooo

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Bilirubin posted:

I thought this was the *dys*topia thread

the government does not subsidize the dicksucking machines so you're required to pay fully out of pocket for one

Koishi Komeiji
Mar 30, 2003



Vox Nihili posted:

Good news, some bipartisan legislation is in the works... to make things worse! https://www.propublica.org/article/congress-is-about-to-ban-the-government-from-offering-free-online-tax-filing-thank-turbotax

Congress Is About to Ban the Government From Offering Free Online Tax Filing. Thank TurboTax.

A bill supported by Democrats and Republicans would make permanent a program that bars the IRS from ever developing its own online tax filing service.

So we're going to have to pay money.....to pay taxes? :capitalism:

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



right now intuit and the other tax software companies let you use a free online version of their programs if you are below some income level and your taxes are not too complicated. (it also sucks and constantly tries to funnel you into paid products).

apparently they came up with this solution when the IRS was looking into making an official government version and they were like no let us do it. if they make it so the free government version isnt going to be something they have to worry about theres no reason they need to provide their free version of their product as a stopgap.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



capitalism is the most efficient system as evidenced by the fact that multiple capitalist enterprises exist to help fill out complicated government forms and then spend their to make sure the forms stay complicated

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1115692104263655425?s=19

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



why did they ground them, president trump has made clear the plane is supposed to be invisible

Homocow
Apr 24, 2007

Extremely bad poster!
DO NOT QUOTE!


Pillbug

Shear Modulus posted:

why did they ground them, president trump has made clear the plane is supposed to be invisible
lol :hmmyes:

Segata Sanshiro
Sep 10, 2011

we can live for nothing
baby i don't care

lose me like the ocean
feel the motion

:coolfish:

hahahaha japan spent money on f35s

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe
Does it run McasOS?

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747
does it run monster hunter?

01011001
Dec 26, 2012

was it raining

Pf. Hikikomoriarty
Feb 15, 2003

RO YNSHO


Slippery Tilde

Phone posted:

lol brian krebs decides to use facebooks reporting system to flag scammer and hacker groups, received nothing but “Facebook has determined that these accounts have don’t nothing wrong” responses.

posted on twitter to his 250k+ folllowers about how fb’s reporting system is a loving joke and immediately fb closes/bans all of the groups and people he was tagging.

:thunk:

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/04/a-year-later-cybercrime-groups-still-rampant-on-facebook/

reminds me of when this one guy sent threatening twitter messages to a bunch of people. twitter suddenly gave a gently caress when it turned out the guy was the magabomber

Segata Sanshiro
Sep 10, 2011

we can live for nothing
baby i don't care

lose me like the ocean
feel the motion

:coolfish:

japanese fighter pilot: "goddamn this loving thing sucks rear end"

f-35 computer: "hahaha turn on ur monitor bro" *nosedives into the ocean*

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ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Krankenstyle posted:

Yea they could sell these for home use. Every home should have one in the corner of the living room!

Good news

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