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Cyrano4747 posted:I really don't have a horse in the pro-Foote/anti-Foote race ( Well said, agreed!
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) but I will say that this is a kind of big thing. A lot of interpretations come and go and are refined and built upon by others. When it comes to social justice hot-button issues it can get really, really difficult to judge older works by contemporary standards. It's worth noting that Foote's major works date from before the 70s, when the discourse was, if not dominated, than at least heavily influenced by the DAC "heritage" crows. 
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Mr Enderby posted:There was malaria in East Anglia until the 20th century. Finland had malaria in the 19th century. i was just now looking at some of the history of East Anglia and I found this quote on the issue of draining the swamps funny: 
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Mr Enderby posted:There was malaria in East Anglia until the 20th century. Finland had malaria in the 19th century. It wasn't wiped out in the Netherlands until the 1960s.
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StandardVC10 posted:So is there a reason that they stopped counting halfway down Florida? The Everglades. Nobody really lived there other than a few Seminoles who escaped resettlement during the Seminole Wars. Other than that, you had less than a hundred people living near what's now Miami and some naval bases in the Keys. The furthest south you had "civilization" was probably Tampa-Fort Brooke, which was about 1000 people. Here's a political map from 1860. You'll note the lack of really anything in southern Florida http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/3900/f3980/f3980z.htm
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StandardVC10 posted:So is there a reason that they stopped counting halfway down Florida? Beaten, but the legend says for those regions are not included because there's fewer than 2 people per square mile, according to the 1870 census.
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StandardVC10 posted:So is there a reason that they stopped counting halfway down Florida? southern florida is naturally just a giant for real terrible swamp and was effectively uninhabited until the 20th century. like, it was the last refuge for native americans and escaped african americans on the east coast. the us government tried three times to kill off all the seminoles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seminole_Wars and it wasn't until railroads and steam power that it could be developed by industrial processes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_land_boom_of_the_1920s
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so this is a weird question but since we're talking about an almost unpopulated area--can animals that are not human suffer from malaria
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PittTheElder posted:fewer than 2 people per square mile, according to the 1870 census. Note that the 1870 census definition of "people" is also not our current one, so the area isn't middle-of-nowhere-Nevada-desert-style totally uninhabited.
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HEY GUNS posted:so this is a weird question but since we're talking about an almost unpopulated area--can animals that are not human suffer from malaria I haven't read this yet but it looks like a discussion of what other species can get malaria, and which are benign hosts. it says Hawaiian birds got hosed up by malaria  https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/malaria-affects-animals-as-well-as-humans/3130296#transcript
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HEY GUNS posted:so this is a weird question but since we're talking about an almost unpopulated area--can animals that are not human suffer from malaria Hundreds of them. Malaria is caused by an entire genius of microorganisms, and can be subtly different spending on the exact species a victim is infected by. Many species of the malarial microorganisms infect non-human species.
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Magical Mr. Anopheles! E: quote:Etymology Mods, namechange plz, &c. &c. Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Apr 10, 2019 |
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it's possible we might live to see mosquitos go the way of smallpox. whether that's a net good is I guess an open question
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interesting. so i shouldn't say "it's the everglades, let the manatees have it" becuase they might actually get sick
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luxury handset posted:southern florida is naturally just a giant for real terrible swamp and was effectively uninhabited until the 20th century. like, it was the last refuge for native americans and escaped african americans on the east coast. the us government tried three times to kill off all the seminoles one of my favorite tidbits in the St Augustine Star Fort museum (which owns, everyone should go to it) is that when the British took it from the Spaniards, the garrison's response was "heck yeah, we get to get the gently caress out of Florida"
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Is yellow fever just and old timey way of saying malaria?
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oystertoadfish posted:it's possible we might live to see mosquitos go the way of smallpox. whether that's a net good is I guess an open question eh. . . mosquito extinction remains firmly in the realm of science fiction. More plausibly with modern control schemes we might be able to achieve 99% pest mosquito eradication in a localized area, which could be enough to interrupt disease transmission. Alternatively some researchers have realized anti-malarial drugs which Plasmodium is immune to in humans are still effective at killing the parasite inside the mosquitoes. In places where the mosquitoes are now resistant to pesticides it may make more sense to cure the bugs rather than kill them. Today though eradication still remains a dream, Aedes aegypti first appeared in Central California in like 2013, and the state was basically helpless to stop its spread. I've never seen anyone seriously argue that if we could remove them, we shouldn't. I'm sure they exist but they must be very marginal voices. Schadenboner posted:Is yellow fever just and old timey way of saying malaria? No, it is a completely different disease spread by entirely different mosquito, Aedes aegypti rather than the Anopheles sp. responsible for malaria transmission. Yellow Fever is much deadlier than malaria however it can be prevented with a vaccine so it is a bit easier to control. Squalid fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Apr 10, 2019 |
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Schadenboner posted:Is yellow fever just and old timey way of saying malaria? Nope. Completely different mosquito-borne tropical disease.
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Schadenboner posted:Is yellow fever just and old timey way of saying malaria? nope. it's a virus spread by Aedes mosquitos that gives you jaundice, malaria's a tiny parasitic animal spread by Anopheles mosquitos that gives you the sweats edit: the old timey way of saying malaria is "ague" or "quaternian/tertian fever" (named after its schedule) HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Apr 10, 2019 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:one of my favorite tidbits in the St Augustine Star Fort museum (which owns, everyone should go to it) is that when the British took it from the Spaniards, the garrison's response was "heck yeah, we get to get the gently caress out of Florida"
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I’m glad I live where the wind stings my face six months of the year.
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Schadenboner posted:I’m glad I live where the wind stings my face six months of the year. there's probably horrifying diseases there too
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HEY GUNS posted:there's probably horrifying diseases there too Arteriosclerosis and obesity? 
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Schadenboner posted:Is yellow fever just and old timey way of saying malaria? No. Malaria is a disease caused by a parasite called plasmodium, which lives inside Anopheles mosquitoes. It causes recurrent fevers and chills, and can also have other bad effects; nausea, jaundice, retinal failure, etc. Yellow Fever is caused by a virus just called yellow fever virus. It's carried in Aedes mosquitos, usually Aedes aegypti. It causes fever, chills, and jaundice (which is why it's called "yellow fever", because of the jaundice).
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Squalid posted:eh. . . mosquito extinction remains firmly in the realm of science fiction. More plausibly with modern control schemes we might be able to achieve 99% pest mosquito eradication in a localized area, which could be enough to interrupt disease transmission. Gene drives could theoretically do a lot better
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Cythereal posted:Nope. Completely different mosquito-borne tropical disease. Holy poo poo someone could have won a LOT of money off of me making a bet on this. Sort of like how I was at one point absolutely sure that Steve Martin was an SNL cast member.
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bewbies posted:Holy poo poo someone could have won a LOT of money off of me making a bet on this. I figured it spread by mosquitoes, made you yellow (killed your liver), and gave you a fever: yeah why not call it “yellow fever”?
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Tunicate posted:Gene drives could theoretically do a lot better oh maybe science fiction is an exaggeration. That's definitely an extremely promising technology. If it can actually wipe out dangerous vectors I doubt anyone is going to mount a serious objection. I haven't heard anyone crying over the plight of the poor Guinea Worm lately.
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Weird questions that I'm gonna ask here: 1. What in the name of god is brown prismatic gun powder? 2. So, I'm trying to figure out how the guidance system for the A4/V-2 works. I understand most of it, but I've come this far so I have to ask: You have gyroscopes spinning freely in one axis, and these gyroscopes - create an analog signal via its spinning. They spin at 20,000 RPM which if I'm not mistaken translates to approximately 333 Hz. So, I've seen a few illustrations, and they all feature a shaft spinning a induction (?) motor to make AC current. Now I'm assuming this is how the control signal is generated. First question: is that shaft mechanically connected to the gyroscope? Second - how the hell do analog control signals work? Since I figured out the frequency timing (lol, assuming I got it right) Does angular momentum on the gyro's measured axis change the timing of that signal, so force in one direction changes the signal to 340 Hz, which the machine interprets this deviation from 333 Hz as correct by X, and a force in the other means 320 Hz on the signal means a correction of Y? PS> if this is incomprehensible is there perhaps some sort of PYF your analog electro-mechanical control system questions in
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Nebakenezzer posted:Weird questions that I'm gonna ask here: Slightly more efficient stuff than plain black powder. It was used for a couple decades or so in the late 1800s, then the first modern smokeless powders (cordite etc) were invented.
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Worth considering that scientists currently believe malaria and yellow fever only arrived in the Americas after European contact. We spend a lot of time focusing on diseases like smallpox as part of that, but yellow fever and malaria were super hard on everyone in the Americas once it'd had time to spread.
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Mosquitos haven't been eradicated in my neighborhood (there's a lake a half mile away), but two years worth of releasing large batches of sterile males have dropped them below "nuisance" all the way to "rarity". In season, I used to have dozens on the ceiling over every lamp in my apartment. The last decade or so I don't recall having two visible at once. Eradication, no. Seriously suppressed, yes. It helps that California mosquitoes don't think I'm tasty; Massachusetts ones sure did when I was a kid.
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Mr Enderby posted:There was malaria in East Anglia until the 20th century. Finland had malaria in the 19th century. Finland had malaria cases in the 20th century even but the source was German soldiers moving from southern Russia in 1944 (before that in 1918). Also rather than bogs the plasmodium thrived here in cattle shelters where the temperature was even and pleasant throughout the year.
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Schadenboner posted:I’m glad I live where the wind stings my face six months of the year. Yeah it's not great but snow does kill evil.
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PittTheElder posted:Yeah it's not great but snow does kill evil. That's because winter itself is a greater evil. Source: lived in New England and broke my internal temperature gauge.
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The last Doolittle Raider, Lt. Colonel Richard "Dick" Cole, died yesterday at the humble age of 103. Dude had a hell of a life.
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PittTheElder posted:Yeah it's not great but snow does kill evil. Except in the case of some places that are so cold that they can preserve diseases for long after the scourge has faded from this earth and current populations no longer have resistance to. Like how Longyearbyen might've preserved viable samples of Spanish Flu for a hundred years.
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maps, and whatnot https://twitter.com/simongerman600/status/1115273153616461825
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Oops https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/04/dutch-f-16-takes-cannon-fire-from-itself/
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iirc the original F/A-18 design had a problem with its bombs and missiles not separating fast enough and they could bonk back into the plane EDIT: Everybody sometimes has problems letting go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPTnmZ_HPAs Neophyte fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Apr 10, 2019 |
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CommonShore posted:I want to decorate my entire home with old maps that depict grim poo poo like malarial death distribution. I really wanted to get into map and globe and maybe navigation equipment collecting years ago but they're harder to find in antique stores than you'd think.
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