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Slutitution posted:It had a $700 million drop from TFA, which is insane. Most audiences didn't like it on aggregate scores. Meanwhile, each successive Marvel movie keeps making more and more money each time. But keep dying on that TLJ hill, I guess. ... This is a remarkably dumb argument for a number of reasons. A) "Most audiences didn't like it on aggregate scores" means what? Because it has a cinemascore of A. If you're going to refer to user-votes then you have to acknowledge the angry-voting campaign by certain groups of assholes which makes the argument *skewed.* If you want a similar example look at Captain Marvel which has rock-bottom user rankings. It wasn't because everyone hated Captain Marvel. B) The Marvel movies haven't made more money successively. Most (but not all) sequels outdo their predecessors but there are reasons for that. One is the universe becoming more and more popular. Another is relative hype, which is important to discuss when it comes to Star Wars. The Force Awakens was the first entry in the long-awaited sequel Trilogy, the first new Star Wars film in a decade, and had a massive hype train behind it. It didn't succeed entirely based off that but it was a major contributor. C) You know what other films did more poorly than their predecessor? The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. In fact no Star Wars film has had the first film NOT be the most successful in the trilogy. That is largely because the marketing/hype machine is strongest for the first films. The original Star Wars was a huge breakout success, The Phantom Menace was considered a must-see huge event, and so was The Force Awakens. That doesn't necessarily mean they're the best films in their respective franchises. Hell, a good number of people will call Empire their favorite despite the fact that it has never beaten the original ever.
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Apr 11, 2019 00:26
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It's hard to tap into the numbers that "Oh boy, Star Wars is BACK" brought when all one can now offer is "oh, star wars is back"
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Apr 11, 2019 00:29
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Slutitution posted:It had a $700 million drop from TFA, which is insane. Most audiences didn't like it on aggregate scores. Meanwhile, each successive Marvel movie keeps making more and more money each time. But keep dying on that TLJ hill, I guess. This is a really stupid lie.
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Apr 11, 2019 00:35
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And I imagine that this new film will make more than TLJ too, because, despite the fact that we all know loving better, Disney is going to market it as the END of the story.
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Apr 11, 2019 00:37
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Mameluke posted:It's hard to tap into the numbers that "Oh boy, Star Wars is BACK" brought when all one can now offer is "oh, star wars is back" It's also worth noting that TLJ is still outperformed the Star Wars film released the year before. There are a lot of things that play into that but if you're going to argue about "Rogue One isn't a numbered sequel" or whatever then it's worth acknowledging that means hype can play a significant factor in a movie's success because otherwise there's no meaningful difference between TLJ and RO. (And likewise maybe having a Star Wars film every single year makes it hard to push the same level of infinite hype wars.) God knows Endgame is going to make a majgillion dollars before anyone has even seen it. It could be by far the worst Marvel film and it will still kick the everliving poo poo out of 90% of movies ever made. I'm also betting Finn's Day OUt will make more than TLJ because it will be "the end of the story" and whatever. Despite the general ennui a lot of this subforum has towards Star Wars (myself included!) most people here are going to see the new film on the first weekend if not the first day.
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Apr 11, 2019 00:45
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Of course i’m going to be there opening night at the Harkins IMAX in Tempe. That place always gives out fantastic posters for the first showing on opening night, and it’s the only full sized IMAX screen in the whole state.
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Apr 11, 2019 00:47
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:
TLJ had pretty much the same amount of dropoff as every other part II in each set of Star Wars trilogies. The idea that it was “a failure that everyone hated” is loving ridiculous.
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Apr 11, 2019 01:06
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the argument that's like 'duhhh the movie made money how can you say people didn't like it' is bizarre like yes friend, people have to pay money to see the movie before they know whether or not they'll dislike it
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Apr 11, 2019 01:19
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:the argument that's like 'duhhh the movie made money how can you say people didn't like it' is bizarre nobody here seems to be making that argument though so not sure why you'd bring it up
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Apr 11, 2019 01:24
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:the argument that's like 'duhhh the movie made money how can you say people didn't like it' is bizarre Yeah, if anyone was saying that it would be weird.
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Apr 11, 2019 01:28
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I'll never for the life of me understand why people will defend movies and get all butt hurt about box office totals. Right now, at this exact moment, our planet is literally dying, there's real poo poo to worry about, but people have to run up a hill to defend the bottom lines of media conglomerates that don't give one rats rear end about you. Bob Iger doesn't check twitter to see how your performance review went at work or if you got that bonus. It truly does not matter. I can't fathom getting pissed because someone dares besmirch a multi-national conglomerate that I've chosen identify with, especially one founded by an actual racist, that that has done tremendous harm to our culture and repressed nearly a century of artistic expression and knowledge through strong armed copyright lobbying. I just don't get it. But here I am posting in a star wars thread, jokes on me I guess.
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Apr 11, 2019 01:39
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Jerk McJerkface posted:I'll never for the life of me understand why people will defend movies and get all butt hurt about box office totals. Right now, at this exact moment, our planet is literally dying, there's real poo poo to worry about, but people have to run up a hill to defend the bottom lines of media conglomerates that don't give one rats rear end about you. Bob Iger doesn't check twitter to see how your performance review went at work or if you got that bonus. It truly does not matter. I can't fathom getting pissed because someone dares besmirch a multi-national conglomerate that I've chosen identify with, especially one founded by an actual racist, that that has done tremendous harm to our culture and repressed nearly a century of artistic expression and knowledge through strong armed copyright lobbying. I think you've drastically misunderstood the conversation going on.
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Apr 11, 2019 01:47
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If you think about it Star Wars doesn't matter because it's all happening in a galaxy far far away.
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Apr 11, 2019 01:52
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Jerk McJerkface posted:I'll never for the life of me understand why people will defend movies and get all butt hurt about box office totals. Right now, at this exact moment, our planet is literally dying, there's real poo poo to worry about, but people have to run up a hill to defend the bottom lines of media conglomerates that don't give one rats rear end about you. Bob Iger doesn't check twitter to see how your performance review went at work or if you got that bonus. It truly does not matter. I can't fathom getting pissed because someone dares besmirch a multi-national conglomerate that I've chosen identify with, especially one founded by an actual racist, that that has done tremendous harm to our culture and repressed nearly a century of artistic expression and knowledge through strong armed copyright lobbying. source your quotes
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Apr 11, 2019 01:53
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:the argument that's like 'duhhh the movie made money how can you say people didn't like it' is bizarre It's not to say people couldn't have disliked it. Clearly there are people who don't like Last Jedi, but it's also silly to say that because it made less than the previous film ( a common trend in trilogy style franchises) that it was hated and no one liked it. People did actually like Last Jedi, just there was a lot more vocalization about liking vs. not liking it than there had been during Force Awakens release. Last Jedi is a movie I like immensely, but it also gives me a headache because people are so stupid about it.
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Apr 11, 2019 02:40
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Movies have a lot of politics behind them now, not just because of the left and the now vocal right, but because a literal monopoly is happening. I wouldn't normally care personally if there wasn't a legitimate risk of one of my favorite pastimes being ruined because of hegemony.
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Apr 11, 2019 02:48
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Movies have always had politics. The prequels are pretty drat political, even. “This is how liberty dies...” scene springs to mind.
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Apr 11, 2019 03:11
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CelticPredator posted:Movies have always had politics. The prequels are pretty drat political, even. “This is how liberty dies...” scene springs to mind. It's not about the politics in the movie itself, it's that society is at one of its cyclical boiling points now in the West that people are diametrically opposed on. Movie review and opinions are more based on bad faith arguments based on those "sides" than the movies themselves in a lot of cases. A lot of movie arguments now are almost entirely based on identity politics.
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Apr 11, 2019 03:28
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Darko posted:It's not about the politics in the movie itself, it's that society is at one of its cyclical boiling points now in the West that people are diametrically opposed on. Movie review and opinions are more based on bad faith arguments based on those "sides" than the movies themselves in a lot of cases. A lot of movie arguments now are almost entirely based on identity politics. I was very disappointed coming out of the theater and I promise you it had nothing to do with identity politics and everything to do with the whole movie seeming like the creators didn't have any respect for the characters or the universe Lucas had created.
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Apr 11, 2019 03:55
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Flavius Aetass posted:I was very disappointed coming out of the theater and I promise you it had nothing to do with identity politics and everything to do with the whole movie seeming like the creators didn't have any respect for the characters or the universe Lucas had created. That's why I didn't say it was universal. I thought Black Panther was horridly mediocre and had terrible politics, but that doesn't mean that there weren't a lot of other people who hated on it because SJWs. Similarly, a lot of people I know personally like it strictly because it portrays black people so positively, while downing other comic movies that are practically the same film because they don't have that representation.That's the problem with modern Internet criticism; lots of things are now way amplified based on personal angles that have nothing to do with the film itself and you never know who is latching on to what criticism in good faith or not. This always existed; but is magnified now by widening dichotomies. I was super disappointed coming out of the theater, but liked it a lot more on second viewing from a different angle, personally (even though the middle still draaaaaaggggs to me). But those kind of opinions never float to the top online now either, since it's now either best ever or worst ever that gets noticed. Darko fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Apr 11, 2019 |
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Apr 11, 2019 04:16
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Darko posted:It's not about the politics in the movie itself, it's that society is at one of its cyclical boiling points now in the West that people are diametrically opposed on. Movie review and opinions are more based on bad faith arguments based on those "sides" than the movies themselves in a lot of cases. A lot of movie arguments now are almost entirely based on identity politics. That also infects the creative process of the movies themselves. A good example is Admiral Holdo. In the book she was this eccentric inventor who was made an admiral basically by accident but she made the best of it by coming up with unorthodox solutions to problems. She would change the color of her hair all the time as part of her overall scatterbrained capriciousness. Just a really interesting character. Then for the movie they saw the character and all they thought was "hm... I guess she has colored hair... and I recently saw an epic Ben Shapiro youtube video where someone with colored hair was scolding a man... so yeah she be someone like that. whatever." Then the fans who see it, depending on their own side, go "well I guess I should cheer/jeer this because of the signifiers." At no point is there any consideration of an actual meaningful political idea or how to convey it. It's just everyone doing a hideous unthinking Kabuki
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Apr 11, 2019 04:34
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AndyElusive posted:No, audience opinion you've decided to pay attention to has been mostly negative. So you're saying that the negativity for the movie was greater because... people decided to listen too it? Or maybe it being poo poo on everywhere was because it was just a bad film a lot of people didn't like?
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Apr 11, 2019 07:38
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cargohills posted:looks like it's time for 20 pages of the most annoying discussion ever, again How did you know this would happen?  Do you maybe have some lottery numbers you could share?
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Apr 11, 2019 08:11
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None of these are spoilers.
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Apr 11, 2019 13:57
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The Republican Party has the support of maybe 30% of the people, but controls all three branches of the federal government and most state governments because our electoral system is massively rigged. So I agree, we have millions of people with a lot of misdirected energy, having these political arguments about and within cultural products because real political struggle is a non-starter.
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Apr 11, 2019 15:16
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Jerk McJerkface posted:I'll never for the life of me understand why people will defend movies and get all butt hurt about box office totals. Right now, at this exact moment, our planet is literally dying, there's real poo poo to worry about, but people have to run up a hill to defend the bottom lines of media conglomerates that don't give one rats rear end about you. Bob Iger doesn't check twitter to see how your performance review went at work or if you got that bonus. It truly does not matter. I can't fathom getting pissed because someone dares besmirch a multi-national conglomerate that I've chosen identify with, especially one founded by an actual racist, that that has done tremendous harm to our culture and repressed nearly a century of artistic expression and knowledge through strong armed copyright lobbying. Sir, this is an Arbys drive through.
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Apr 11, 2019 15:30
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I said come in! posted:Sir, this is an Arbys drive through. Can I get a Jawa Juice?
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Apr 11, 2019 15:36
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Jerk McJerkface posted:I'll never for the life of me understand why people will defend movies and get all butt hurt about box office totals. Right now, at this exact moment, our planet is literally dying, there's real poo poo to worry about, but people have to run up a hill to defend the bottom lines of media conglomerates that don't give one rats rear end about you. Bob Iger doesn't check twitter to see how your performance review went at work or if you got that bonus. It truly does not matter. I can't fathom getting pissed because someone dares besmirch a multi-national conglomerate that I've chosen identify with, especially one founded by an actual racist, that that has done tremendous harm to our culture and repressed nearly a century of artistic expression and knowledge through strong armed copyright lobbying. Dunno where this come from but yes gently caress Disney
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Apr 11, 2019 16:18
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Darth TNT posted:How did you know this would happen? i have the remarkable, almost supernatural ability to remember things that happened in the past and use these memories to shape my expectations for the future
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Apr 11, 2019 18:47
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Sounds like woo.
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Apr 11, 2019 19:40
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cargohills posted:i have the remarkable, almost supernatural ability to remember things that happened in the past and use these memories to shape my expectations for the future
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Apr 11, 2019 19:42
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Martman posted:somebody check this guy's midichlorian count It would appear it's even higher than Master Yoda's.
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Apr 11, 2019 19:44
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https://twitter.com/krolljvar/status/1116377831393468416 Kroll is a Variety reporter.
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Apr 11, 2019 19:46
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Star Wars Episode 9: A New, New Hope
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Apr 11, 2019 19:47
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Star Wars Episode IX: Return of the Snoke.
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Apr 11, 2019 19:50
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thrawn527 posted:Star Wars Episode IX: Return of the Snoke. (Return of the Snoke) once again (Return of the Snoke) pump up the world (Return of the Snoke) watch my flow (You know that I'll be back) here I go
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Star Wars: I Hope They Reveal Rey's Parents!
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Apr 11, 2019 19:54
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The next trilogy saga is rebranded as the Hope Wars.
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It's gonna be poetry like A Last Hope.
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