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Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime

Ms Adequate posted:

If you're unmodded then I think 5 is the maximum the mining node can store within itself so I guess he's going "Welp, it's full, can't mine anymore, better haul" and does that rather than realize "Oh now I can mine again"?

ah ok. oh well! guess i'll just leave it running for a while and see where it goes. since it's not very far away he doesn't do a lot of walking i guess. i think i've gotten 2 strength in the last 30 minutes.

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Leal
Oct 2, 2009
You'll want to use something besides the ore to weigh down your character, since they'll drop it off. Generator cores are amazing for this.

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime

Leal posted:

You'll want to use something besides the ore to weigh down your character, since they'll drop it off. Generator cores are amazing for this.

ah. i have a large backpack full of some plates and armor, i'm at 66% encumberance atm


also a bit of a question : how important is my starting character? Is it entirely possible i'll lose him or he will die at some point and that is fine? i think in M&B the game was basically over if your starting guy died but I can't remember.

this is assuming i have other dudes to control, i guess.

Tabletops fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Apr 11, 2019

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
If you have other dudes it's fine. It's not important. He won't die of old age or anything

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Tabletops posted:

ah. i have a large backpack full of some plates and armor, i'm at 66% encumberance atm


also a bit of a question : how important is my starting character? Is it entirely possible i'll lose him or he will die at some point and that is fine? i think in M&B the game was basically over if your starting guy died but I can't remember.

this is assuming i have other dudes to control, i guess.

Yeah, you control your faction rather than a character so as long as you have at least one dude left you can rebuild. Your starter guy is pretty much completely interchangeable once you have some extra bodies.

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime
i found a map for sale that gave me a location way up in the northwest for some kind of military cache. decided to go check it out! time for a run.

this is probably gonna take a long time lol

mauman
Jul 30, 2014

Whoever's got the biggest whiskers does the talking.

Leal posted:

You'll want to use something besides the ore to weigh down your character, since they'll drop it off. Generator cores are amazing for this.

A traders backpack (not actually in your backpack slot but in your general inventory, so your character doesn't try to drop the stuff off) filled with iron ore will weigh about 600-700 pounds. Perfect for this purpose.

mauman fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Apr 11, 2019

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Tabletops posted:

i found a map for sale that gave me a location way up in the northwest for some kind of military cache. decided to go check it out! time for a run.

this is probably gonna take a long time lol

Going on the big continent-crossing treks to seek out archeotech and poo poo is the point of kenshi

Well, that and CYBERBEEP

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011
My Kenshi Adventures, by Tiler, age 12

After putting in an obligatory list of mods and picking the default start, I begun my serene life of wandering the wastes. Anticipating a hardcore experience, I stole water jugs, and carried them with me indefinitely.

I came across a way station. The people inside were friendly and also insanely buff. So when I found some bandits outside, I did the correct thing and ran around until they tried to kill me, then lead them back to waystation, a pied piper of justifiable homicide. All the dust bandits died, and I stripped all their corpses and sold it for 13k. Using my funds, I hired some dude with horns to pal around with me. I did this several more times, but aside from sheer amusement and occasional experience in beating up crawling victims, there is little gain, as all the nearby dust bandits are now dead and the starving bandits crap is too cheap to be worth the hassle of stripping them.

The road below waystation turns into a bloody mess. Starving bandits attacked dust bandits; the dust bandits mop up and then get attacked by a wandering assassin and a tech bandit or whatever they're called. The duo get smacked around a lot but eventually get back up and kill all the remaining bandits. I loot them too. I take one of the nearly dead bandits back to waystation to lay them in a bed, and perhaps learn of their tale, to see what drove them to a life of lucrative banditry, and maybe see where I can get a steady job doing something like that instead of looting corpses for a living, but the residents immediately scoop him up and dump him ignominiously outside the walls. A group of passing slavers picks him back up and sets off. Efficient.

I wander around aimlessly, gathering recruits using my corpse money. I have my six companions mine iron outside waystation and then carry it back to them to sell, then buy food, slowly generating a profit. Annoyingly the act of mining doesn't actually make people stronger or tougher. There are still bands of starving folks that try to thrash us; sometimes they succeed but they find little as we are very successful in eating food ourselves and they lack the ruthlessness to just eat us to death. They end up dying to the waystation regardless. I patch up a few survivors out of whimsy and they just trundle off into the horizon. I want to share with them the secret, of mining iron ore and then exchanging it for sustenance, to rise them up out of their wandering horror, but they're clearly very stupid and this is sad. Eventually waystation runs out of food and my group departs. I get attacked by, and beat up some starving bandits that turn out to be escaped slaves. Isn't this the sort of thing that got you into this mess, guys? Come on.

My wanderings take me to the neighboring regions around the border zone. I can't go too far due to need for food; my group is the perfect size where everything still kicks our rear end but its incredibly annoying to feed. Even with all the money I have from early bird grave robbing, nobody has much food to sell, or are selling overpriced stuff that would last a day anyways. I spend a thousand coins for a dog. It is a wise investment; a literal day old puppy is a better fighter than anyone in the entire group.

I went back to the starter city and met a dude in the bar who got mad when I told him I liked his sword. He got beaten up by the patrons, and then outside he was enslaved by passing slavers. See you later buddy.

Came across a random lone bull, and the gang proceeds to tear it limb from limb for sustenance. It turns out to have a bag on it, carrying around twelves packs of food. This serves my group well, as I proceed to squander it over the course of a week, wandering from region to region, trying to find a place that has "green" climate so I can just grow my own drat food. The only place that I found that happens to have it is full of religious zealots in heavy armor who try to murder me for refusing to hand over half the party into slavery. I proceed to oscillate between trying to decide if I want to try to settle there anyways, or go to the swamp, or maybe try to hack it at the waystation with it's killer guards and plentiful iron. Some good fortune emerges again as the gang passes a group of passing slavers right before meeting around 6 bone dogs. We double back, and the dogs and slavers skull gently caress each other. We finish off the lone dog, then loot their bodies, then the bodies of the slavers. Some of the slavers are still alive, so we go ahead and slash them to ribbons in an act of brazen cruelty because rules of nature mother fucker.

Eventually two back to back attacks by bandits force the issue, as half the group is rendered incapacitated by the end of it. They recover but by the time they're back and ready to go the food is nearly gone. I settle on Vain, which seems green enough, and the constant acid rain and occasional murderous gorilla are decent prices to pay for being far away from random bands of assholes. I settle in a valley among plentiful copper on the idea that the more expensive copper should prove to be more useful in the future; in the meantime I sell it for building material and food from the nearby hivers, who are pleasant enough. Eventually I learn that trader backpacks can stack copper, and food, and other things, which would have been good to know around 15 or so days ago. Food is still a problem because it takes an entire small field of plants to produce a single bowl of food apparently, but thankfully I have a fishing mod installed that lets three people produce a steady supply of cooked fish, thus ruining the game forever. Aside from the occasional murderous gorilla, things are alright.

I wish I could just put out a notice to hire vagrants or something, since apparently all the assholes on earth got the memo of where I'm hanging out. In the meantime I made the place public and set up a nice little parlor for people to sit. It was a waste of most of my building supplies but it looked nice so its okay. None of my visitors sit in it.

After hitting tech level 3 and having expended my walls several times, I learn what stone is used for. And that I could have just been making my own building material instead of hauling metric tons of loving copper to bugs for bricks. Goddamnit. And that I have only one source of iron, at 40% efficiency, with only one slot. Vain sucks. It might still suck considerably less than other places, however. I think I'm just going to become a drug lord and settle for just importing iron, like a chump. A bunch of bandits showed up and I was broke so I told them to go away and eventually they left when I barked like a dog. Which is fine, I guess, if they want to wander all the way to a dismal goddamn raining blood piss swamp for self gratification I guess that's more power to them. I install some crossbow turrets for them next time, anyways.

Around this point I realized I missed going to bed by nine hours and have to go to work. poo poo.

Jarvisi
Apr 17, 2001

Green is still best.
What's a good training dummy mod for strength that isn't too cheaty?

VulgarandStupid
Aug 5, 2003
I AM, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, UNFUCKABLE AND A TOTAL DISAPPOINTMENT TO EVERYONE. DAE WANNA CUM PLAY WITH ME!?




So my swamp base is coming along. I put up level 3 walls and improved the kill box. I also switched my katana users to saber users so they won’t suck so much when they fight armored guys. I’m working on getting them a few points in Sabers and trying to hang out with the Crap people. I saw the Crab helmet on the wiki, it seems to be amazing since Perception doesn’t matter for melee characters, am I missing anything?

One fun thing I’ve done is recruit every robot
I find and make them a turret user. Robotic turrets that don’t need food. Kind of a waste of their 200 limb health but oh well.

Also just killed the great gorillo.

mauman
Jul 30, 2014

Whoever's got the biggest whiskers does the talking.

VulgarandStupid posted:

So my swamp base is coming along. I put up level 3 walls and improved the kill box. I also switched my katana users to saber users so they won’t suck so much when they fight armored guys. I’m working on getting them a few points in Sabers and trying to hang out with the Crap people. I saw the Crab helmet on the wiki, it seems to be amazing since Perception doesn’t matter for melee characters, am I missing anything?

crap people...hehe. If I didn't find that so humorous I'd sick my legion of crabs on you :downs:

anyhoo...

I don't think sabers are particularly good. I'd use polearms (the type, not the specfic weapon). They suffer no damage issues with armor (and some of them even have bonus to damage penetration), and they can provide decent damage bonuses to animal or humans depending on the type of polearm. You can even use polearms (the actual weapon, not the type) with heavy armored characters since they have a surprisingly high amount of blunt daamage. While polearms will get surpassed by hackers and heavies eventually, they are a good early to mid-late weapon type with a great variety of uses depending on the specific weapon. Since they weigh so little, they're also great for non-fighting peons. On a side note, I kinda wish they'd have not called the weapon type "polearms" when polearm is also a specific weapon in the game.

As for the crab helmet, you're absolutely right. While people often debate what the best chest piece is, most people agree that there is no contest when it comes to the crab helmet. There's no downside to it as long as you don't plan on using ranged attacks with that character.

Crab people best faction.

mauman fucked around with this message at 10:42 on Apr 11, 2019

The Mash
Feb 17, 2007

You have to say I can open my presents
Is this game playable and enjoyable in a Lone Wolf style setting if I really just want to make a single character that does the odd job and fights for survival in a mad max type of world?

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime

Ms Adequate posted:

Going on the big continent-crossing treks to seek out archeotech and poo poo is the point of kenshi

Well, that and CYBERBEEP

i ended up not quite getting there. i only had to reload twice I think. found a ghost town and some fishing villages that were neat.

got knocked out by berserkers. I had heard so much about the dreaded beak things and one got after me. lead him to a group of berserkers (didn't know they'd be hostile either) and they beat him up in seconds.

me too though.

then I got knocked out later by some cannibals who didnt seem terribly interested in eating me i guess.

managed to not lose any limbs in this process which is nice.

i got killed to dead by
like 20 beak things
and some uhh screaming bandits? shrieking bandits? they killed me good

found another old bunker or something, had a bunch of skeleton parts in it worth like mybe 20-30k total.


i also found a big uhh sawblade type weapon on a dead cannibal (i think?). which got me wondering what is a good weapon type? I saw people knocking katanas and stuff as being ultimately not great. this weapon i think is a polearm or maybe a hook sword or something? i think its called a flesh carver.

what kinda weapons are good that I should focus on? should i craft them myself?

The Mash posted:

Is this game playable and enjoyable in a Lone Wolf style setting if I really just want to make a single character that does the odd job and fights for survival in a mad max type of world?



there are options in the difficulty setting to reduce the number of enemies in squads. I feel like that'd be really necessary to play all by yourself. it's really impossible to fight 1v20 or whatever at least early on cause you constantly get stun locked by 3 dudes at a time

Tabletops fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Apr 11, 2019

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

The Mash posted:

Is this game playable and enjoyable in a Lone Wolf style setting if I really just want to make a single character that does the odd job and fights for survival in a mad max type of world?

I would say yes once you get past the initial hurdle of being a wimp.

For that early face I would recommend a Don Quixote Style; your main character rides off into danger, while you trusty valet scoops your bits off the ground afterward and patches you up. Assuming you didnt fight Beakthings, FogThings, Skeleskin Things, Spiderthings, Morespiderthings... what else eats you/peels you in kenshi?

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime
well I got to this old military outpost. it was full of mecha spiders that really messed my poo poo up.

thankfully these giant animal buddies were right there and hosed them for me. got a bunch of skeletal muscle from them. i think 6 were in there in total. they also murdered like 200 garru's and swamp raptors before the big boys got em :(.

the outpost itself was pretty similar to buildings in cities in the great desert. round with a second level up top with not much up there.

there were like 7? chests though in one room, I got a ton of chainmail shirts of varying quality, mostly really high. I think they were all worth like 5-10k each. I got a polearm, a desert sabre, a naginata, a springbat, samurai leggings, and a blackplate jacket. everything is masterwork or specialist grade except the melee weapons, one of the shirts i found is worth 40k!

little sad I can't use shirts now.

not sure if i'll keep exploring up here or head back. i still have a good amount of room in one of my packs and my strength is only up to 28. I'm pretty overburdened though and probably dead if i run into anything scary.


example of sweet shirt

Tabletops fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Apr 11, 2019

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

Jarvisi posted:

What's a good training dummy mod for strength that isn't too cheaty?

I used this one, which caps you at 60, and gets pretty slow around 40. Honestly, you'll make similar progress carrying a backpack full of ore and a corpse while you have a job assigned

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime

Clark Nova posted:

I used this one, which caps you at 60, and gets pretty slow around 40. Honestly, you'll make similar progress carrying a backpack full of ore and a corpse while you have a job assigned

speaking of mods... is nexus more utilized by the mod community than steam workshop? or are they basically the same?


i found a nice spot up here in the leviathan coast for a base, maybe. it has a lot of iron, like 40 copper and 80 water/fertility. probably not that great but i like the area. no bad guys other than some beak things occasionally. maybe i'll build up here some time.

i managed to get some stuff from this base on this island covered in spiders. this is what i made it out with. this stuff is worth a lot!



update: i can kill beak things 1v1 pretty easy now! 2v1 and I get wrecked though.

Tabletops fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Apr 11, 2019

deadseedinside
Jul 6, 2018

Possibly a confused chimpanzee. Approach with caution and snacks.
mmmm ... don't sell that stuff.

it's integral to your research tree/paths if you want any of the good stuff.

Especially the AI-Cores and engineering research.

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime

deadseedinside posted:

mmmm ... don't sell that stuff.

it's integral to your research tree/paths if you want any of the good stuff.

Especially the AI-Cores and engineering research.

ah, ok! cool.

right now trying to get to world's end since it's the closest city to me. hopefully they aren't unfriendly towards robots.

Babe Magnet
Jun 2, 2008

find a town that has a Ninja Tower, join it, and get yourself a sneaky backpack. Extra storage, and the smallest one has like no real hit to your stats at all.

BMan
Oct 31, 2015

KNIIIIIIFE
EEEEEYYYYE
ATTAAAACK


Tabletops posted:

speaking of mods... is nexus more utilized by the mod community than steam workshop? or are they basically the same?


i found a nice spot up here in the leviathan coast for a base, maybe. it has a lot of iron, like 40 copper and 80 water/fertility. probably not that great but i like the area. no bad guys other than some beak things occasionally. maybe i'll build up here some time.

i managed to get some stuff from this base on this island covered in spiders. this is what i made it out with. this stuff is worth a lot!



update: i can kill beak things 1v1 pretty easy now! 2v1 and I get wrecked though.

Nice haul, you should probably research skeleton repair beds ASAP.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

The Mash posted:

Is this game playable and enjoyable in a Lone Wolf style setting if I really just want to make a single character that does the odd job and fights for survival in a mad max type of world?
Lone wolf is a challenge conduct because you don't have anyone to scrape you off the pavement when you get crushed by a hungry bandits stick, which is the main way you get stats in the early game.

You can eventually become a combat god who can hold their own against groups but it's a ton of grind effort.

DONT DO IT
Jun 5, 2008

this level will be fun guys
My war on the Holy Nation has stalled while I try to ally myself with the Shek through small bounty turn-ins and get a proper watch tower set up going. It's slow going.. Many lives and limbs have been lost in preparation.

~pro tips~
#1 - Instead of putting new recruits straight on turret duty, give them junk bows and just have them stand around on guard duty to build up their precision first. Friendly fire from a turret shot is a quick way to shamefully lose limbs and/or instantly die during a starving bandit attack. Also, with multiple watch towers use some way to differentiate which tower is under attack. I use various head gear!

#2 - Remember to put your boots back on after you're done thieving!

#3 - Tech Hunter and bar thug mercenaries tend to hang around and patrol your town after their contracts expire. They don't always defend you, but the fact that they patrol gives you a convenient method of doing so with your own guys. Just set them to 'bodyguard' for your own homegrown couch to 5k program.

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime

Babe Magnet posted:

find a town that has a Ninja Tower, join it, and get yourself a sneaky backpack. Extra storage, and the smallest one has like no real hit to your stats at all.

i found flotsam village and joined those guys. I already had a ninja backpack actually! bought one in heft i think a while ago.

BMan posted:

Nice haul, you should probably research skeleton repair beds ASAP.


do I need to find a blueprint for that? I gotta find somewhere to setup... my tiny house in heft doesn't have enough room for a l2 research bench lol.

Babe Magnet
Jun 2, 2008

Nah skeleton beds are tech level 3 and 2 engineering research, the big red blueprints.

If you can find someone who sells robot limbs they usually have a skelebed for you to use, be prepared to pay like 2000 for it though lol

Agnostalgia
Dec 22, 2009
What does the chance to die slider actually alter? Characters die when their core body parts reach negative max health, there's no death roll or anything that I'm aware of.

Party In My Diapee
Jan 24, 2014

Agnostalgia posted:

What does the chance to die slider actually alter? Characters die when their core body parts reach negative max health, there's no death roll or anything that I'm aware of.

How fast everyone bleeds out. I put it on max and still feel like too many people survive combat.

deadseedinside
Jul 6, 2018

Possibly a confused chimpanzee. Approach with caution and snacks.

Party In My Diapee posted:

How fast everyone bleeds out. I put it on max and still feel like too many people survive combat.

there's a few free skelly beds you can use too.

Burn's tower is one, and I think there's a couple in the venge towers, among others.

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

hive skellybeds are much cheaper, at 800

also if you have multiple wounded skellingtons they can swap out bed usage without paying each time

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime
do dudes ever stop being angry at you? i went into burn's tower and didn't see burn standing there. thought it was just another abandoned ruin. then he got mad at me and just attacks on sight.

if i leave for a while will he chill out?

deadseedinside
Jul 6, 2018

Possibly a confused chimpanzee. Approach with caution and snacks.
Anyone else using the crucifix mod to put inquistors/high paladins on display outside the gates of Holy Nation settlements?

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Ms Adequate posted:

If you're unmodded then I think 5 is the maximum the mining node can store within itself so I guess he's going "Welp, it's full, can't mine anymore, better haul" and does that rather than realize "Oh now I can mine again"?
Yeah, this is a problem you'll run into for more than just mining. Imagine you've got a mod that lets you put 500 ore into a box and 250 at a time into a steel refinery. You give the hauling job to a guy. Then, unless you get very lucky, he will go and fetch more stuff to put into the refinery every time it gets to 245 five at a time, but no earlier. The first refilling is faster for some reason.

deadseedinside posted:

Anyone else using the crucifix mod to put inquistors/high paladins on display outside the gates of Holy Nation settlements?
That's kind of a bit hosed up. Obviously, the correct thing to do is to put them on a pole on the edge of Fog Island territory and wait for the Fog Princes to come. It's how I recruit.

mauman
Jul 30, 2014

Whoever's got the biggest whiskers does the talking.

deadseedinside posted:

Anyone else using the crucifix mod to put inquistors/high paladins on display outside the gates of Holy Nation settlements?

Only time I've done something like that was putting the black ninja leaders into a peeler.

WHO HAS A poo poo POST NOW ASSHOLES!! :downs:

As for the holy nation....they fight well so I let them die in a pool of their own piss, poo poo, and blood on the ground beneath my army's blades.

The UC nobles on the other hand.....

PEELER TIME.

I just finished up the holy nation (reactive world, so I had to do a lot of extra fights), it will soon be time to give the nobles the painful embarrassing death they deserve.

mauman fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Apr 12, 2019

valuum
Sep 3, 2003
ø
I was going to build an outpost up north of World's End, but instead I apparantly set out on a ridiculously long trek up and down the desert. And man, everyone in that sandy (but pretty!) shithole are dicks and will attack you on sight. If you ignore all the sadistic shouting and beating of the slaves, the towns are sort of peaceful I guess?

One of the slaves I freed managed to get away and just decided on his own to join my crew. No dialogue, I just all of a sudden had another hiver. I also found out the hard way that "1% chance to be discovered" means he *will* be discovered. Apparantly my guys are strong enough to slaughter the slaver camp instead of dying though, so it all worked out sort of well! Kenshi-well. No bad rep towards UC, which seems weird, but I have enough enemies as it is for now. Also found a tower of goats and recruited a fat rum stealer. GOTY!

Equipment management is becoming a bit of an issue with 30 people of very varying skill levels, any mods that can help with this?

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
goat tower is really peak kenshi

valuum
Sep 3, 2003
ø
I like how every container was full of half-eaten books except for a single ancient science book. drat you, goats!

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

I am setting up my own outpost and I was drastically underprepared for just how many warm bodies you need to do that.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

The Lone Badger posted:

I am setting up my own outpost and I was drastically underprepared for just how many warm bodies you need to do that.

It expands pretty exponentially.

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Benagain
Oct 10, 2007

Can you see that I am serious?
Fun Shoe
Aright.

After getting my bearings and not dying the first hour, I assembled a crack squad of two good recruits and whoever else I could get for free. I strode forth boldly and immediately got my rear end kicked by dust bandits.

Repeat that like three times and I made it out of Squin. Voyaging through the Venge, I found a beakthing nest that spawned next to a hive village and helpfully stole all the eggs while they killed them. With that money, I decided gently caress it, let's found a base. With six guys.

After an insane amount of time getting everything going, I got itchy feet and wandered through the foglands to find Mongrel. Way in was fine. On the way out, having recruited four more guys, I was cocky and tried to save some holy nation outlaws getting attacked by fogmen.

they just kept coming. So many. How the hell do you wipe out a fogman nest? The third wave was when I started getting knocked out and taken away. Lost a few guys, made it back to my base, then the scrawny cannibals showed up for tribute, beat down my gate, and took everyone else.

New game! Is there anyway to figure out where you'll start or is it random? Also should I just auto restart if I get the garden or the deathbeam place?

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