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MatildaTheHun posted:Enjoy stanning your cryptofash
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AngryBooch posted:You've mischaracterized and misunderstood her positions to such an extent that nobody can understand or trust whatever the gently caress you're saying dude. "If you're a degrothist you're asking people who live in, like horrible conditions in the third world to never improve. Like their infant and maternal mortality rate never gets to go up? That's ridiculous, that's absurd, that's cruel. We can build like, beautiful and great big things." Like what have I misunderstood, now I'm genuinely curious? It seems to me that she is directly saying that degrowth means immiserating the third world.
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Apr 11, 2019 20:24
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Amber's point was that too many people are cool with goofy old men groping women for that to stick, and that Biden is literally horrible enough on all meaningful subjects that this should not even have to be a factor in ruling him out. None of that was implied but stated as clearly as it could have been without bullet points and a powerpoint presentation. Honestly, I was a bit put off by their stance on guns. I don't think any left movement stands a chance against a government, and that should not be the goal. But I do believe we are quickly nearing a point in which arming the left in some capacity is going to be necessary, as a safeguard against persecution by empowered, hostile chuds.
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Apr 11, 2019 20:27
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Apr 11, 2019 20:27
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MatildaTheHun posted:"If you're a degrothist you're asking people who live in, like horrible conditions in the third world to never improve. Like their infant and maternal mortality rate never gets to go up? That's ridiculous, that's absurd, that's cruel. We can build like, beautiful and great big things." You've abandoned criticizing her for what you misunderstood her Biden position to be because you think this is a stronger argument?
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Apr 11, 2019 20:27
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MatildaTheHun posted:"If you're a degrothist you're asking people who live in, like horrible conditions in the third world to never improve. Like their infant and maternal mortality rate never gets to go up? That's ridiculous, that's absurd, that's cruel. We can build like, beautiful and great big things." how are you getting that out of that quote? i'll grant you that the second sentence did sound like she misspoke, but its at odds with the rest of the things she's saying
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Apr 11, 2019 20:29
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Gripweed posted:You've abandoned criticizing her for what you misunderstood her Biden position to be because you think this is a stronger argument? Oh her Biden take was trash and loving blackpilled surrender, that guy quoted a post of mine about degrowth, and I replied to it, which is how conversations work.
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Apr 11, 2019 20:30
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MatildaTheHun posted:Oh her Biden take was trash and loving blackpilled surrender, that guy quoted a post of mine about degrowth, and I replied to it, which is how conversations work. what does "blackpilled surrender" mean here?
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Apr 11, 2019 20:32
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Serf posted:how are you getting that out of that quote? i'll grant you that the second sentence did sound like she misspoke, but its at odds with the rest of the things she's saying "If you're a degrothist you're asking people who live in, like horrible conditions in the third world to never improve." This is a direct if-then statement where she says if you support degrowth (a thing I support and have organized for for the past 3 years), then you are asking people in already bad conditions to also take the burden of degrowth. I really can't wrap my head around how you don't see this as a criticism of degrowth. E: ^ "The American people are so far gone and sexist that Biden will not be metoo'd into irrelevance"
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Apr 11, 2019 20:32
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MatildaTheHun posted:Oh her Biden take was trash and loving blackpilled surrender, that guy quoted a post of mine about degrowth, and I replied to it, which is how conversations work. Her Biden take was that the creep stuff won't be enough to sink him because a lot of older people don't see a problem with what he did. Which seems to be turning out to be true. How is that trash and loving blackpilled surrender?
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Apr 11, 2019 20:34
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MatildaTheHun posted:"If you're a degrothist you're asking people who live in, like horrible conditions in the third world to never improve." oh, i gotcha. i was a bit surprised at their take here too, but i'm willing to keep an open mind on the subject of growth. personally i'm good either way also she's not wrong. tons of people have no issue with what biden did, as evidenced by the fact that they have directly said so and attacked the women coming forward, i dunno how this is in any way surprising to you
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Apr 11, 2019 20:35
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What the gently caress is "blackpilled"?
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Apr 11, 2019 20:36
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Gripweed posted:Her Biden take was that the creep stuff won't be enough to sink him because a lot of older people don't see a problem with what he did. Which seems to be turning out to be true. How is that trash and loving blackpilled surrender? And you seem just as happy to ignore my posts about degrowth lmao. The take is bad and was unique among the Chapo crew, and talking about Biden at the end of this primary will require, you know, the primary to start so I don't think it's turned it to be true! Because the event hasn't happened yet! Holy poo poo!
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Apr 11, 2019 20:37
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PostNouveau posted:What the gently caress is "blackpilled"? its when matt gets drunk enough on stream that he says what he really thinks
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Apr 11, 2019 20:37
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i love degrowth! A term and word that totally exist and I definitely did not make up
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Apr 11, 2019 20:38
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Yeah Biden is garbage and should go down over this, but anyone who thinks it's happening really needs to interact with people outside of Twitter or your leftist discord channel or whatever
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Apr 11, 2019 20:38
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Blackpilled: It's a term that comes out of the incel community for the dark acceptance that one will never get laid but people have been reappropriating it for any kind of pitch black truth they must accept.
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Apr 11, 2019 20:38
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MatildaTheHun posted:And you seem just as happy to ignore my posts about degrowth lmao. The take is bad and was unique among the Chapo crew, and talking about Biden at the end of this primary will require, you know, the primary to start so I don't think it's turned it to be true! Because the event hasn't happened yet! Holy poo poo! the primary has been going on for months tho? are you having a stroke?
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Apr 11, 2019 20:39
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Like no loving poo poo the Democratic establishment has come out aggressively in support of Biden he was their vice president for eight years! Do any of you remember what happened to Franken 14 months ago??? Wait until the Iowa vote to call her take correct or not, puhlease. Or better yet, the loving DNC, when the primary is actually over!
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Apr 11, 2019 20:39
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DoubleCakes posted:Blackpilled: It's a term that comes out of the incel community for the dark acceptance that one will never get laid but people have been reappropriating it for any kind of pitch black truth they must accept. Like "reappropriating" or "using it because they've spent a lot of time in incel communities and think it's normal now"?
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Apr 11, 2019 20:39
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MatildaTheHun posted:Like no loving poo poo the Democratic establishment has come out aggressively in support of Biden he was their vice president for eight years! Do any of you remember what happened to Franken 14 months ago??? fam that might as well have been 20 years ago
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Apr 11, 2019 20:40
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MatildaTheHun posted:"If you're a degrothist you're asking people who live in, like horrible conditions in the third world to never improve. Like their infant and maternal mortality rate never gets to go up? That's ridiculous, that's absurd, that's cruel. We can build like, beautiful and great big things." I'm saying that this current meltdown and straw manning you've been doing to Amber is in bad faith and weird as hell and it is no use arguing with you. That is my argument.
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Apr 11, 2019 20:40
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MatildaTheHun posted:"If you're a degrothist you're asking people who live in, like horrible conditions in the third world to never improve." Okay so as a degrowth advocate, how is she wrong? How would degrowth avoid "asking people in already bad conditions to also take the burden of degrowth"?
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Apr 11, 2019 20:41
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PostNouveau posted:Like "reappropriating" or "using it because they've spent a lot of time in incel communities and think it's normal now"? My dude I learned the term from listening to Chapo Trap House, a notable lefty podcast you may have heard of!
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Apr 11, 2019 20:41
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Also lol doesn't that poster do exactly this every couple months? The cartoon avatar looks familiar from either this chapo thread or the good one
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Apr 11, 2019 20:41
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Do not criticize any candidates unless you are on the floor of the DNC national convention everyone. Please!
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Apr 11, 2019 20:44
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I Before E posted:Okay so as a degrowth advocate, how is she wrong? How would degrowth avoid "asking people in already bad conditions to also take the burden of degrowth"? Because it means degrowing the first world! It means people in America and Western Europe deliberately decreasing the rate of GDP growth. This doesn't mean poor people not working, as it should be implemented with a jobs program that actually looks a lot like the green new deal. The top 10% of income earners worldwide are responsible for 90% of carbon emmisions. On an individual level, frankly, an individual in a third world country basically doesn't emit carbon. A wealthy American, one who has private jets and poo poo, not merely 'comfortable' emits millions of times more CO2 than an average third world person. That's not an exaggeration. Making their lives worse will do nothing positive or negative for carbon at all.
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Apr 11, 2019 20:45
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Pharmaskittle posted:Also lol doesn't that poster do exactly this every couple months? The cartoon avatar looks familiar from either this chapo thread or the good one I got Mad At Amber a few months back and posted something similar, that's true. Good memory! It's almost like I have convictions and thoughts and have been consistent in my criticisms or something.
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Apr 11, 2019 20:47
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MatildaTheHun posted:Because it means degrowing the first world! It means people in America and Western Europe deliberately decreasing the rate of GDP growth. This doesn't mean poor people not working, as it should be implemented with a jobs program that actually looks a lot like the green new deal. The top 10% of income earners worldwide are responsible for 90% of carbon emmisions. On an individual level, frankly, an individual in a third world country basically doesn't emit carbon. A wealthy American, one who has private jets and poo poo, not merely 'comfortable' emits millions of times more CO2 than an average third world person. That's not an exaggeration. Making their lives worse will do nothing positive or negative for carbon at all. i don't see how anything you've said contradicts what they're saying. we're going to degrow a bunch of billionaires and grow the rest of us
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Apr 11, 2019 20:47
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Right, and is that balanced out with improved conditions in the global south, or as Amber asked, are they expected to maintain their current conditions?
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Apr 11, 2019 20:50
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Serf posted:i don't see how anything you've said contradicts what they're saying. we're going to degrow a bunch of billionaires and grow the rest of us So why did she say I support making 3rd world lives worse? Do you not understand what she said? And in terms of the guys they were interviewing, holy poo poo I totally disagree with them. We can't have steaks and cars and the luxurious excess we live in now. It doesn't mean everyone living like a pauper, of course. But to use steaks as a specific example, America uses a full third of it's land area as pasture land, destroying an almost cartoonish amount of natural resources for cattle production that will not be possible if we are to actually attempt to halt climate change.
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Apr 11, 2019 20:51
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prefect posted:What was it? drat. It was Raandy and Krang making fun of Dan Crenshaw.
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Apr 11, 2019 20:51
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I Before E posted:Right, and is that balanced out with improved conditions in the global south, or as Amber asked, are they expected to maintain their current conditions? Hell yeah make their lives better! Reverse the crimes of the past 400 years. The Sunrise Movement works with Indian communists on the reg. The whole point of socialism regarding climate change, and this is a direct quote from Will here, is that we have enough Stuff for everyone. But a few people are hoarding a shitload of Stuff. To resolve this issue requires deliberate degrowth, and one of the reasons why is specifically so people who do not have Stuff can grow into having it.
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Apr 11, 2019 20:53
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drat that's a pretty good argument against a person you've constructed in your head
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Apr 11, 2019 20:55
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MatildaTheHun posted:So why did she say I support making 3rd world lives worse? Do you not understand what she said? i think she was speaking to the belief that lots of degrowthists have that degrowth will be foisted onto the people in the developing world also i don't think the authors of the book were saying that literally nothing would change, just that it isn't going to be a miserable existence and huge downgrade for most people, who already don't get to enjoy many of the benefits of empire
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Apr 11, 2019 20:55
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I'm still trying to figure out how any of these takes come off as "pro-Biden" and how that squares with Stalinism
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Apr 11, 2019 20:57
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In an episode where they considered Biden winning in 2020 being possibly worse than Trump re-election, the main takeaway is Chapo is a Pro-Biden show.
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Apr 11, 2019 20:59
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Amber goose-stepping around Cuba telling people this is it.
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Apr 11, 2019 21:00
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Serf posted:i think she was speaking to the belief that lots of degrowthists have that degrowth will be foisted onto the people in the developing world They specifically use steaks and cars in the podcast, I'm not pulling my examples out of the air here. We're not going to be able to maintain our current levels of production in virtually any capacity and halt or much less reverse climate change. ^ Earlier in the episode she makes a snide comment about how she thinks socialism in one country could work, she even comments about how there is a rainbow of opinions on the recording couch. Socialism in one country was, famously, one of the defining aspects of the Stalinist state. Therefore I called her a Stalinist. I listen to the podcast, I'm not making a strawman or whatever, I listened to what they said and disagree with what they said. LoboLoboLobo posted:In an episode where they considered Biden winning in 2020 being possibly worse than Trump re-election, the main takeaway is Chapo is a Pro-Biden show. loving a she said Biden wasn't a cuck. That's really bad! That's weird at best for a lefty to say and in a world where I have to be suspect of people making the OK sign my loving ears are gonna perk up. And where the poo poo did I say that all of Chapo likes Biden? I've specifically singled out Amber for having the loving take. Like work with me here, man. There's a lotta dumb poo poo I've said but this is just not what I've been saying.
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MatildaTheHun posted:They specifically use steaks and cars in the podcast, I'm not pulling my examples out of the air here. We're not going to be able to maintain our current levels of production in virtually any capacity and halt or much less reverse climate change. weirdly, stalinists hate her, probably because they also misinterpreted some thing she said a long time ago and went crazy over it like you're doing now
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