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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Radish posted:It's impressive that Biden is probably going to Boomer his way into the nomination despite offering literally nothing and actively telling people "gently caress off you all have it easy." Even Trump promised to give people stuff even if they were obvious lies. If there's one thing Boomers love, it's reaffirming their belief that theirs was the last generation that ever had to work for anything, and that nothing bad that has ever happened was their fault.
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Apr 12, 2019 03:03
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Yeah. I think Bernie's best-win scenario (as in, the scenario where he wins in the most advantageous way for the general) is in a head-to-head with Biden, because it removes identity from the equation.
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Apr 12, 2019 03:05
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Z. Autobahn posted:Yeah. I think Bernie's best-win scenario (as in, the scenario where he wins in the most advantageous way for the general) is in a head-to-head with Biden, because it removes identity from the equation. Bernie can't beat anyone head to head. He needs the clown car to keep the threshold for winning low.
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Apr 12, 2019 03:08
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overmind2000 posted:There was a post last week or so about Buttgieg's homosexuality being an act of political calculus and while I don't think that's the case they might have been on to something Please gently caress off with this
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Apr 12, 2019 03:14
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i wonder how people like ilhan get treated in israel 
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Apr 12, 2019 03:14
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Radish posted:It's impressive that Biden is probably going to Boomer his way into the nomination despite offering literally nothing and actively telling people "gently caress off you all have it easy." Even Trump promised to give people stuff even if they were obvious lies. I'm 100 percent a believer in democracy in abstract, but the forty years on my planet have made me think it's not great in practice. At least not with human beings.
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Apr 12, 2019 03:19
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HootTheOwl posted:Bernie can't beat anyone head to head. He needs the clown car to keep the threshold for winning low. Why do you think this, exactly?
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Apr 12, 2019 03:19
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HootTheOwl posted:Bernie can't beat anyone head to head. He needs the clown car to keep the threshold for winning low. That was why I added the clarification in the parens. I don't mean Bernie is most likely to beat Biden head-on, I mean "the scenario where Bernie beats Biden is the best win condition for Bernie because it carries him to the general with the least animosity". Majorian posted:Why do you think this, exactly? Because according to pretty much all the information we have, a pretty major swath (greater than 50%) of the Dem electorate suck; you see this in Hillary's win, in Biden's current popularity, in the basic static of Bernie's numbers and particularly his high unfavs while other folks move around. Between Boomers (who make up a big chunk of the electorate), Hillary fans, and identity-issue voters, you've got a 50% or more voter share. This has been pretty much the dominant theme of polling and takes this week: despite the impression Twitter/the internet gives you, there are a LOT of centrists and liberals out there. Bernie doesn't have the highest unfavs of any major candidate by accident. There are just legitimately a lot of people out there in the electorate who don't like him. That doesn't mean he can't win (Trump was similar), but it means that his path runs best through his opposition being divided rather than unified (again, like Trump).
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Apr 12, 2019 03:26
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the_steve posted:If there's one thing Boomers love, it's reaffirming their belief that theirs was the last generation that ever had to work for anything, and that nothing bad that has ever happened was their fault. Not wrong but every generation acts like that when they get old. Ours likely will too.
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Apr 12, 2019 03:29
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SeANMcBAY posted:Not wrong but every generation acts like that when they get old. Ours likely will too. This actually isn't true, and lets the Boomers off the hook. Like the Greatest Generation was much more liberal and open to progress and change in their old age. It's just that Boomers (and Silents) really loving suck.
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Apr 12, 2019 03:32
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Apr 12, 2019 03:34
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Julian Castro - all in on the drug war, pretty much. e: he wants stiff prison sentence on people who sell drugs (no mention of what those people are supposed to do to support themselves when they get out of prison) Makarov_ fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Apr 12, 2019 |
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Apr 12, 2019 03:36
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Has there been much research about the political evolution of the Greatest Generation? I know they were the most consistently liberal cohort until the millennials showed up, but was that more a function of so many of them identifying with the Democratic Party and following its leftward drift on social issues? It'd be interesting to see if that was more attitude defining politics or vice versa.
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Apr 12, 2019 03:38
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Generational voting habits chat!!! Yay, I get to post the chart I save in a special folder just for this kind of occasion: Z. Autobahn posted:It's just that Boomers (and Silents) really loving suck. More specifically, younger Boomers and older Gen Xers. Granted, this chart is a bit old.
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Apr 12, 2019 03:41
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The idea that "you get more conservative as you get older" is a pernicious lie the Boomers spread to justify the failures of their generation
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Apr 12, 2019 03:51
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Ah, if only Iran were say, 60 years down the road evolving as a social democracy instead of a loosely democratic theocracy. Luckily there's almost no one in any meaningful capacity to talk about that so the New Golden Boy can serve up piping hot takes like this and continue the dogpile on a muslim refugee fellow democrat.
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Apr 12, 2019 03:57
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Z. Autobahn posted:Because according to pretty much all the information we have, a pretty major swath (greater than 50%) of the Dem electorate suck; you see this in Hillary's win, in Biden's current popularity, in the basic static of Bernie's numbers and particularly his high unfavs while other folks move around. Between Boomers (who make up a big chunk of the electorate), Hillary fans, and identity-issue voters, you've got a 50% or more voter share. This has been pretty much the dominant theme of polling and takes this week: despite the impression Twitter/the internet gives you, there are a LOT of centrists and liberals out there. I agree with everything here but I think you're not giving enough consideration to his grassroots power. Bernie's campaign is going to have a physical presence in this election that no other candidate will come close to matching. This will be especially important given the confusing media environment we're likely entering.
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Apr 12, 2019 04:01
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Good thing the latest news on Israel wasn't about how Bibi had to make allies with guys who openly are 'proud homophobes' who hate people like me and ol mayor Pete, not to mention the fact that they sure treat LGBT Palestinians badly, or he'd look real dumb.
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Apr 12, 2019 04:07
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Majorian posted:Why do you think this, exactly? Polling and candidate "second pick" polling. Biden is at 36 percent of the total as of the last poll I saw and if Harris and Booker drop out her would poach their 9 and 6 percent bringing him up to 51. I think and Harris or Booker voters that don't go Biden are cancelled by Warren and Beto ones who defect to Biden when their candidate drops out.
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Apr 12, 2019 04:09
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HootTheOwl posted:Polling and candidate "second pick" polling. Biden is at 36 percent of the total as of the last poll I saw and if Harris and Booker drop out her would poach their 9 and 6 percent bringing him up to 51. I think and Harris or Booker voters that don't go Biden are cancelled by Warren and Beto ones who defect to Biden when their candidate drops out. Harris is not dropping out until she absolutely has to. Same with Beto.
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Apr 12, 2019 04:10
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Not really. Voters don't receive and process information from media the same way they do when they are read leading statements in a focus group or poll and asked to respond immediately after. Congratulations. You've figured out that polls doesn't prove anything except how a representative sample will respond to a specific piece of information posed in a specific fashion and context. Great job. Maybe you shouldn't be lecturing the data scientists if you've only just now discovered what polls are, though.
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Apr 12, 2019 04:11
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The whiplash from people rarely mentioning his sexuality in interviews to it being the focus of every loving interview he does is palpable. This comment, here, though? Garbage. Both situations are terrible.
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Apr 12, 2019 04:18
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https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1116496070396141568?s=19 Harris is gonna win by Standing her Ground (shooting her opponents point blank at the debates).
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Apr 12, 2019 04:20
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lol, first because respondents were polled with dual loaded statements (one for each candidate), and second because they didn't even load the statements for the worst of biden's record, like making student-loan & medical debt nondischargeable, which is going to hit a lot of voters harder than "biden made it harder for women owed child support to file for bk" or w/e it was.
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Apr 12, 2019 04:22
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HootTheOwl posted:Bernie can't beat anyone head to head. He needs the clown car to keep the threshold for winning low. HootTheOwl posted:Polling and candidate "second pick" polling. Biden is at 36 percent of the total as of the last poll I saw and if Harris and Booker drop out her would poach their 9 and 6 percent bringing him up to 51. I think and Harris or Booker voters that don't go Biden are cancelled by Warren and Beto ones who defect to Biden when their candidate drops out. No, no motivated reasoning here at all. I mean, you do realize that by the same argument that Biden beats Bernie head to head, Bernie beats everyone else head to head, right?
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Apr 12, 2019 04:33
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It may seem to us laypeople like Israel's conduct is at least as bad as Iran's, but if we had the deep understanding of systems dynamics that Buttigieg gained during his time at McKinsey we'd realize that Israel's actions have actually been optimal and the result of cutting edge machine learning techniques.
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Apr 12, 2019 04:39
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Main Paineframe posted:Congratulations. You've figured out that polls doesn't prove anything except how a representative sample will respond to a specific piece of information posed in a specific fashion and context. Great job. Maybe you shouldn't be lecturing the data scientists if you've only just now discovered what polls are, though.
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Apr 12, 2019 04:42
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I agree Pete , super rich white guys who did US intelligence work on killing brown people DO have it hard in Iran .
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Apr 12, 2019 04:43
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bowser posted:https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1116496070396141568?s=19 So she claims that other politicians are cowards who are scared to engage with real solutions to our gun problem. And then she proclaims that her stance is to take neither side on the issue, and to instead focus on "smart" and "practical" nonpartisan plans. The whiplash alone could kill people on the debate stage.
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Apr 12, 2019 04:54
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I'm cool with Pete attacking Mike Pence's faith, but I don't like him doing it and then pretending like he didn't I'd rather it just be a straight-up fight
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Apr 12, 2019 04:55
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Apr 12, 2019 05:00
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Ytlaya posted:It may seem to us laypeople like Israel's conduct is at least as bad as Iran's, but if we had the deep understanding of systems dynamics that Buttigieg gained during his time at McKinsey we'd realize that Israel's actions have actually been optimal and the result of cutting edge machine learning techniques. I'm actively disliking his stance on Israel.
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Apr 12, 2019 05:44
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1glitch0 posted:I'm 100 percent a believer in democracy in abstract, but the forty years on my planet have made me think it's not great in practice. At least not with human beings. Stunning political insight from 1glitch0 right here Churchill posted:Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
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Apr 12, 2019 06:27
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Winston Churchill's idea of democracy was a white master race ruling the world through terror, violence and starvation.
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Apr 12, 2019 06:34
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Helsing posted:Winston Churchill's idea of democracy was a white master race ruling the world through terror, violence and starvation. Pretty spot on definition so far. Seems like a smart guy.
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Apr 12, 2019 06:40
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Pretty lovely takes here - Biden and Bernie are both old as hell, one protested segregation while the other promulgated it. Insert dril tweet about good and bad things here
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Apr 12, 2019 07:42
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matty's take is more offensive imo. biden's not too old cause he did a racism, nor did he do a racism cause of his age. drawing bernie into the conversation just hightlights this. biden had a choice. he chose the easy route for his political career and pandered to racists
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Apr 12, 2019 07:47
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If people still re-elect Trump, Humanity is terminally unworthy of being saved. I don't care if these candidates are bad, life is about compromise.
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AceOfFlames posted:If people still re-elect Trump, Humanity is terminally unworthy of being saved. I don't care if these candidates are bad, life is about compromise. Same, but if anyone to the right of bernie is elected
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