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Eh, that analysis doesn't really work in the Israeli Proportional Representation system. If Gantz and Bibi both got the exact same proportions of votes as now but the rest were more in favor of the Left and Arab parties, there would probably be some sort of Rabin-style Gantz led government. Instead, the exact same coalition as before won. The reality is that the vast majority of Israeli voters are right wing, and no amount of electoral maneuvering would be able to overcome that. The only way forward is trying for some sort of seismic shift leftward in society, which I don't see happening.
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The whole of the Israeli right is built on a bunch of wishful thinking and Israel as a state is going to come to collapse in the following decades. External threats won't be the cause, but internal problems within the state will.
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The Israelis will visit a total ethnic extermination on the Palestinians before it allows itself to collapse.
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states don't 'allow themselves' to collapse, but yes, given the Samson Option protocols it is likely the israeli state will visit insane destruction on a number of parties before it dies
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"i am sure this fash-adjacent right wing regime is going to collapse soon" says increasingly nervous leftist for the hundredth time this decade
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dti https://twitter.com/fired4smart/status/1116376470425931779
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:states don't 'allow themselves' to collapse, but yes, given the Samson Option protocols it is likely the israeli state will visit insane destruction on a number of parties before it dies the samson option is a made up thing
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I feel like no matter what number Sanders said aloud, he lowballed it by at least an order of magnitude.
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:states don't 'allow themselves' to collapse, but yes, given the Samson Option protocols it is likely the israeli state will visit insane destruction on a number of parties before it dies the Samson Option isn't real it was made up by ultra-nationalist novelists, and spread around by people who are predisposed to believe any sort of evils from Israel (or Jews) up to and including a plot to literally destroy the world though if you really think about it, the dreams of Israeli far-right ultra-nationalists often line up with the conspiracy theories of anti-Semites. makes sense, I guess - many anti-Semites are nationalists or budding nationalists who come up with conspiracy theories against minorities by assuming that those minorities have the same nationalist feelings and hatred for outsiders that they do
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All you need to know about the samson option is that the israeli government refuses to answer any questions about nuclear weapons so any definite statements are made up
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:All you need to know about the samson option is that the israeli government refuses to answer any questions about nuclear weapons so any definite statements are made up yeah, pretty comical that there is actually 1 additional nuclear power, but they're a "secret" nuclear power i mean, that's a hearty lol if there ever was one RaySmuckles has issued a correction as of 17:18 on Apr 12, 2019 |
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The only nuclear power that isn't inspected in some form by the IAEA.
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:the samson option is a made up thing the "Samson Option" as a doublespeak way of saying MAD because admitting Israel has nukes can get you censured and thrown in jail is very much not a made up thing
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It's antisemitic to imply that Israel has nukes.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's antisemitic to imply that Israel has nukes. That they shared with Apartheid-era South Africa no less.
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the moon is antisemitic now
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Autism Sneaks posted:the "Samson Option" as a doublespeak way of saying MAD because admitting Israel has nukes can get you censured and thrown in jail is very much not a made up thing that's not the Samson Option, though the Samson Option is ultra-nationalist writers daydreaming about a defeated Israel nuking not only its enemies but every other nuclear power as well, to punish the foolish Gentiles for failing to come to the rescue of mighty Israel
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Main Paineframe posted:that's not the Samson Option, though that isn't even what samson did tho. dude killed everything in his vicinity when he went down because everyone where he was was a philistine, he didn't kill those who were ostensibly his allies who should have come to save him.
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Main Paineframe posted:that's not the Samson Option, though I don't know where you heard it's that incredibly specific scenario but they and by association you are wrong and I'm right, it's not some ultra-special Israeli doomsday plan it's just whatever their nuclear response would be in the event of impending military defeat
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Main Paineframe posted:that's not the Samson Option, though I think we have in this discussion two simultaneous Samson Options. Some people say "Samson Option" as a means to suggest Israel using its nukes to irradiate the Levant and it's neighbors rather than be subjected to a victorious Arab invasion. Others use it to describe what you describe. Personally, when I hear the phrase, I imagine the former and not the latter.
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CountFosco posted:I think we have in this discussion two simultaneous Samson Options. Some people say "Samson Option" as a means to suggest Israel using its nukes to irradiate the Levant and it's neighbors rather than be subjected to a victorious Arab invasion. Others use it to describe what you describe. Personally, when I hear the phrase, I imagine the former and not the latter. same, i've only heard it in your context
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there is a very common anti-semitic trope about israel using its nukes on european capitals (supposedly to 'avenge the holocaust') so main paineframe isn't wrong, but yeah i think samson option generally refers to taking down israel's neighbors in the event that its conventional forces are overrun
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Main Paineframe posted:the Samson Option isn't real Pre-WW2 self-described Zionists like Theodor Herzl specifically believed that antisemitic nationalists were right, that Jews were parasitic outsiders whose existence disrupted proper nations. Their solution was to have a Jewish nation so that they could develop a national character and participate in the world as equals, precisely according to nationalist bullshit. I don't think it's a stretch to say the current Israeli nationalists continue that tradition. Anyway though I think describing a doomsday strategy as "Samson Option" ascribes it a particular Jewishness, which is inherently kind of antisemitic. Same reason I qualified "Zionists" with "self-described" above.
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Someone do the friendship ended meme https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1117180170291548160?s=19
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Jose posted:Someone do the friendship ended meme
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Jose posted:Someone do the friendship ended meme In related news, prim minister Netanyahu announces a month long tour of Brazil in support of the neo-SA
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that sounds suspiciously like an Anti-Semitic Trope
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this is the most galaxy brain take imaginable e: https://twitter.com/Ron_Skolnik/status/1122893435986481152 cosmic brain universal contraction with a new big bang take where we wrap back around to where being Zionist is unambiguously antisemitic Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 09:43 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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Thomas Friedman the ultraliberal anti-Zionist 
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not letting left wing jews in does make sense as the logical conclusion of Likud's vision of israel tbh likud seems to have the classic fascist approach to society as an organism that gets infested by parasites i dont really know how they view arabs though, is the idea to get rid of all of them or turn them into a labouring underclass? presumably it varies
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Fascist Israelis love Hitler and think the Holocoast was good https://mondoweiss.net/2019/04/israeli-military-praising/
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