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Doobie Keebler
May 9, 2005

Nat and Tea, you guys are doing great. I'm rooting for you (to lose that ice grenade in a botched mission)!

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Pea
Nov 25, 2005
Friendly neighbourhood vegetable
It's true, Nat and Tea are doing great. Personally, I'd love to see them take on a mission without the unique weapons and armor from the Alien Rulers DLC. (Frost Bombs, Bolt Caster, Shadowkeeper, Hunter's Axe and the skins of the dead rulers)

They have the skills, enough items and high level soldiers to make it work, so I believe it would be a welcome change of pace from the usual routine.

Mr. Vile
Nov 25, 2009

And, where there is treasure, there will be Air Pirates.
I will not hear the rad robots or Julian insulted this way and am submitting a character right now.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Pea posted:

It's true, Nat and Tea are doing great. Personally, I'd love to see them take on a mission without the unique weapons and armor from the Alien Rulers DLC. (Frost Bombs, Bolt Caster, Shadowkeeper, Hunter's Axe and the skins of the dead rulers)

They have the skills, enough items and high level soldiers to make it work, so I believe it would be a welcome change of pace from the usual routine.

I'm bearing this in mind, but there's one more ruler left and I'm not willing to go in without Frost Grenades until it's dead and buried.

Cloud Potato
Jan 9, 2011

"I'm... happy!"
Sugessting Outrider for Dash Rendar's gun.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.

Natural 20 posted:

I'm bearing this in mind, but there's one more ruler left and I'm not willing to go in without Frost Grenades until it's dead and buried.

As a counterpoint, I think crippling yourself is dumb and all it takes is you screwing up once for all the items in the world to fail to help

Loel
Jun 4, 2012

"For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.



You should totally hit the difficulty up to maximum :allears:

edit: Oh wow that first pod.

... You should DEFINITLY up the difficulty :D

Loel fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Apr 16, 2019

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Cloud Potato posted:

Sugessting Outrider for Dash Rendar's gun.
Seconding.

Dr Christmas
Apr 24, 2010

Berninating the one percent,
Berninating the Wall St.
Berninating all the people
In their high rise penthouses!
🔥😱🔥🔫👴🏻
Consider that just researching the plot only opened up new objectives, and new enemies didn't appear until you did plot stuff in the field, and that researching the plot now may not really delay you getting new upgrades, since if you research them right away, you'll still need lots of supplies to implement them.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

eating only apples posted:

Yeah rangers are fairly replaceable, they build kills and promotions real quick especially if you've got one already started like Spag. Emi would be a hard loss.

The morale loss from Pete's death would also be hard to recover from though. Severa too, I'm not sure Nat would ever get over it.

If Severa dies I will be absolutely inconsolable. Especially now that she has her voice back.

Emi is easily the biggest key man risk on the team for sure. We ideally need to find a promoted specialist somewhere to act as her understudy.

But honestly I think Pete might be more powerful than her just because of how strong the synergy on his kit is.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE
Nobody show Nat this link: https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/254480/what-determines-when-research-can-be-completed-instantly

TheKirbs
Feb 16, 2018

True reality is on this side of the screen

You should put the Berserker Queen armor on a Ranger instead of Emi, especially if you are using the flamethrower over the rocket launcher.

The armor points helps them survive, the flamethrower needs to be up close to have the best effectiveness and the Rage strike (which is a free action like the axe throw) helps soften up enemies for an up close kill. Or finish off a weakened enemy and move them closer without using any actions.

Omnicrom
Aug 3, 2007
Snorlax Afficionado



Yeah, I kind of sighed at the start of the episode.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
you can totally continue the plot.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

GeneX posted:

As a counterpoint, I think crippling yourself is dumb and all it takes is you screwing up once for all the items in the world to fail to help
It's not really "crippling yourself" when the difficulty of vanilla XCOM 2 was fine and Alien Hunters is the worst non-comsmetic DLC. The reason I tuned in for this was to see how they would adapt their tactics to the new and weird enemies the game throws at you, but if the single tactic is going to be "freeze everything new & threatening, kick it while it's down, repeat until completing weapon upgrades that trivialize the encounters", that isn't going to be very interesting.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

Dead Reckoning posted:

It's not really "crippling yourself" when the difficulty of vanilla XCOM 2 was fine and Alien Hunters is the worst non-comsmetic DLC. The reason I tuned in for this was to see how they would adapt their tactics to the new and weird enemies the game throws at you, but if the single tactic is going to be "freeze everything new & threatening, kick it while it's down, repeat until completing weapon upgrades that trivialize the encounters", that isn't going to be very interesting.
Willing to agree with that; when I play I refuse to use the frost grenades just because they're way too broken even by broken item standards, to the point where they really don't need any thought to utilize.
But everybody's got their own style and given how rocky the start was you can definitely see their reasons for using it.

Qrr
Aug 14, 2015


Alien Rulers was just a really poorly thought out DLC, in pretty much every way. It's a real shame.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.

Dead Reckoning posted:

It's not really "crippling yourself" when the difficulty of vanilla XCOM 2 was fine and Alien Hunters is the worst non-comsmetic DLC. The reason I tuned in for this was to see how they would adapt their tactics to the new and weird enemies the game throws at you, but if the single tactic is going to be "freeze everything new & threatening, kick it while it's down, repeat until completing weapon upgrades that trivialize the encounters", that isn't going to be very interesting.

as a counterpoint, it's still pretty fun and it avoids the bullshit Nat and Tea hate so much about the way the game does difficulty spikes

but this lust for LPer blood seems to be shared by a bunch of people, so I'm willing to accept that what I'm interested in out of the series isn't what a bunch of y'all are

Yvershek
Nov 15, 2000

and there are no
diamonds in the
mine

GeneX posted:

as a counterpoint, it's still pretty fun and it avoids the bullshit Nat and Tea hate so much about the way the game does difficulty spikes

but this lust for LPer blood seems to be shared by a bunch of people, so I'm willing to accept that what I'm interested in out of the series isn't what a bunch of y'all are

I think it changes a bit when involving this series (:xcom:) and announcing that it will be a blind run.

The frost grenade really throws me off as someone who hasn't played the newer games. I can see how deaths are more significant with a smaller roster, but it still comes across as a sort of cheat to me.

Yvershek fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Apr 17, 2019

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
Honestly it's a little frustrating. We never wanted the actual gameplay part of the DLC to begin with, just the cosmetics, but the game is tremendously unclear about how you go about doing that.

Fwoderwick
Jul 14, 2004

On harder difficulties I think the frost grenade feels a lot more balanced because with enemies having increased health, the chance that you can't deal with everything on screen increases by a lot.

The thing is though, once the rulers are out the picture then if you don't use the frost grenade then you can just put more tactical onus on the mimic beacon (which is barely used in this LP) and achieve pretty much the same outcome.

That said you're at a point where omitting it probably won't slow you down and if it's use is becoming monotonous or rote for you guys playing the game then it might help keep things interesting. I guess calls to leave out the frost grenade is no different to my keenness to see the robots in that regard.

I'm not particularly interested in any attempts to inject artificial schadenfreude to the LP though.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
That's fair.

Obviously the game can still gut punch us but as far as a cohesive LP narrative goes, we've gone from an absolutely disastrous start to slowly learning from our mistakes and evolving strategies over time based on what's available to us. I think with the addition of Severa we're on to our final major strategic variation. Shadow Ranger/Ranger/Specialist/Sniper/Grenadier/Fill in and it's giving us consistent flawless ratings.

The problem is that the effective victory lap this is giving us is running very long so I can completely understand people's growing frustration at the lack of blood.

Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.
It's not even about a "lack of blood" really. More like a lack of sweat. I don't think anyone would seriously complain about you getting excellent and flawless mission results, if they were achieved in less monotonous ways.

And just to be clear, I am not blaming you guys for anything. It's just a shame that you happened to run afoul of the bad DLC and its weird-rear end implementation.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
It's why the mistake should have been with the Good DLC War of the Chosen.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!
Jesus loving Christ, Sphag.

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

It's no alien ruler, but well done on that Sectopod.

Loel
Jun 4, 2012

"For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.



I am so dissappointed in that Sectapod right now :colbert:

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


that was impressively lucky

Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.
Oh good grief please build the goddamn bluescreen rounds already, I'm about to have a goddamn aneurysm :sterv:

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Loel posted:

I am so dissappointed in that Sectapod right now :colbert:

:same:

Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.
I don't think there are any pirate voice packs in the Workshop, but if you just want Pete to sound like an utter bugfuck lunatic, I will personally vouch for the Borderlands Psycho voice pack. :v:

I've personally gone completely ham with voice packs, to the point where I have considerably more of them than there are vanilla voice options.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.

Loel posted:

I am so dissappointed in that Sectapod right now :colbert:

:same:

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
You can't blame a Sectapod for the skill of our brave soldiers.

Rosalie_A
Oct 30, 2011

Natural 20 posted:

You can't blame a Sectapod for the skill of our brave soldiers.

Did you really just call an event with your own handle's likelihood "skill"?

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.


https://www.strawpoll.me/17847791

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





Alas, Serial and Rapid Fire don't stack because if the first shot fails to kill anyone it therefore counts as ending the Serial. Each shot has to kill to get the next one on Serial.

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

Sorry, Serial only works with regular shots. Your reading of the ability description was completely reasonable and that's XCOM's fault for not making its rules clear, but from a game balance perspective it would have been way too insanely good to allow combining it with special shot types so I get why it works that way. Rapid Fire is already so good they nerfed it with a 5-turn cooldown in the expansion.

And I'm happy to see you finally find a case where the frost bomb is not an instant win button! See, you still did ok and got away unscathed, albeit because Severa was carrying the other win button. (well, more of a "don't lose" button :shrug:) Sectopods and the other enemy type that occupies four tiles (pretty mild spoiler) thaw immediately at the cost of half their turn.

Edit: ^^^ wait, really? So if they'd used Rapid Fire but killed the officer on the first shot, it'd have counted for Serial? I did not know that.

Akratic Method fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Apr 20, 2019

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Loel
Jun 4, 2012

"For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.



What did you get blindsided by you killed everything :colbert: I was promised blindsiding :colbert:

Seriously though, good job so far :D

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