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Subjunctive posted:How do people use that with gaming? Is this like the days of having custom config.sys/autoexec.bat boot disks for different games, but for RAM timings? Please tell me it is, that would be so amazing. There is a Go button which I think loads a different (possibly multiple different) overclock profiles. There is also a "slow mode" switch for something about liquid nitrogen cooling, a BIOS reset button on the back panel (that one I actually like) and ROG connect which does something with allowing another PC or laptop to adjust the overclock in settings. The Go button, Direct key, slow mode switch are all mounted on the PC to where they are internal once the board is installed in a case. I guess all these features are useful if your extremely into overclocking, but I am not. Really, even for an overclocker I doubt this is tremendously useful. My understanding of overclocking is you spend a few hours or so increasing speeds until you find the point of instability and then you leave it there, I can't see why you would want to constantly adjust the speed settings. It's all useful features for tweakers, but I don't care much for it Not Wolverine fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Apr 13, 2019 |
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Couple weeks ago my coworker tried to update the BIOS on a Supermicro AMD Epyc server through the UEFI shell and it got bricked. It would really have been nice to have a dual-BIOS on that.
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Saukkis posted:Couple weeks ago my coworker tried to update the BIOS on a Supermicro AMD Epyc server through the UEFI shell and it got bricked. It would really have been nice to have a dual-BIOS on that. Most modern boards, even server boards, have a BIOS recovery method, usually a specific USB port that you can put in a USB drive with the necessary firmware and it'll flash without any keyboard/user interaction.
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Lucky that board should have a socketed bios chip, so that is easily fixed. But yeah dual bios rules.
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redeyes posted:Lucky that board should have a socketed bios chip, so that is easily fixed. But yeah dual bios rules. ...wait, what? Who still does that? Every recent Supermicro board I've see, the BIOS is soldered to the board.
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Most likely those boards can have the bios updated via IPMI? gently caress up the BMC and then you’re hooped, though  (unless it has a usb boot & flash option)
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priznat posted:Most likely those boards can have the bios updated via IPMI? I tried that on one of the two Supermicros we have, can't remember if it was this failure case, but the IPMI didn't manage to do it. We are mostly HPE house with some Dells, and I have to say we are less than pleased with these Supermicros.
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Yeah, if you're okay with your servers being essentially disposable commodities or doing a lot of work to build your own automation tools then Supermicro can be the right choice but Dell and HP do a fair bit of work to make sure things are validated and you have the right management/recovery tools. I wouldn't be touching them unless I was running some kind of large-scale standardized infrastructure.
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AMD SoC Expected to Power Next Xbox, PlayStation Is Seemingly Closer to Productionquote:If you follow Marvin's AMD Condename Decoder, then AMD Gonzalo should have eight physical cores operating at a 1GHz base clock speed and 3.2GHz boost clock. Due to the 13E9 PCIe ID, the SoC is rumored to come with integrated Navi 10 Lite graphics running at 1GHz. quote:Lastly, the PCIe ID on the qualification sample is 13F8 instead of 13E9. It appears to be another variant of the original Navi 10 Lite graphics card that was spotted in the engineering sample. This qualification sample's iGPU (integrated graphics processing unit) apparently clocks in at 1.8GHz, making it 800MHz faster than the previous engineering sample. Of note is that 1.8GHz number, because that would be clocked higher than any previous AMD card we've seen so far.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:AMD SoC Expected to Power Next Xbox, PlayStation Is Seemingly Closer to Production Doesn't the Radeon VII hit 1800 mhz at stock?
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B-Mac posted:Doesn't the Radeon VII hit 1800 mhz at stock? No, 1750Mhz, base is 1400Mhz. It can be overclocked manually to 2Ghz though but that's way outside where it's most efficient. Most console GPUs are underclocked compared to their desktop siblings so they sit better inside the power/performance curve, so 1.8Ghz being that sweet spot compared to what Vega is bringing indicates some good things for Navi, probably 2.2Ghz, possibly 2.5Ghz fMax.
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What would be even more interesting will be to see if this is all a unified APU solution, or two separate, discrete chips, which raises even MORE questions about the thermal envelope of the combined APU if they can clock to 1.8 while sitting next to Zen silicon.
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I doubt that both systems will use the same exact chip. Both using AMD APU’s, sure of course, but not identical ones.
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Any guesses as to the RAM solution? I'm sure they want to go unified to maximize backward compatibility, but what flavor will it be? GDDR5? 5X? 6? ... HBM2? 
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Well. To start, whatever amount of RAM that they come to a conclusion on will be at least 8. I think that's what the 580 tops out at, so having more vram hurts their GPU sales if they can't sell any cards that meet console min spec. HBM is too expensive. GDDR6 is also expensive, but not as expensive, and I don't trust Navi to have enough horsepower to saturate GDDR6, even with the new numbers. So in the end, I'm thinking 8+ GB of GDDR5(X) plus a little whatever extra they keep in reserve for running system processes + SRAM they want on the side or whatever, if they're still gonna keep building consoles with only GDDR instead of having GDDR and DDR like a normal x86 system.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Well. To start, whatever amount of RAM that they come to a conclusion on will be at least 8. I think that's what the 580 tops out at, so having more vram hurts their GPU sales if they can't sell any cards that meet console min spec. This is certainly a take To make this less of a drive-by shitpost, Sony/Microsoft have the final say on how much memory to stick onto the SoC. Hell, the XBox X already has 12GB of GDDR5. Arzachel fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1118124767934959617 8 core Zen 2 and a custom Navi GPU with Ray tracing support. MagusDraco fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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What? Hardware support? So I guess it'll be in Navi cards, too?
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Combat Pretzel posted:What? Hardware support? So I guess it'll be in Navi cards, too? It is a custom navi but yeah. This is more confirmation that Navi probably is supporting hardware raytracing
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shrike82 posted:I'm more surprised about the mention of an SSD tbh From the sounds of things in the article Cerny wanted to put a SSD in the ps4 but they were too costly back then.
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finally, enough power for knack to be fully realized
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MagusDraco posted:From the sounds of things in the article Cerny wanted to put a SSD in the ps4 but they were too costly back then. Just the sheer reliability improvement from HDDs to SSDs alone will save enough in warranty costs for Sony/MS to offset the slight SSD price premium versus HDDs.
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That much power and I/o puts it firmly up against high end spec pc’s. It’s going to be quite a powerful platform.
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Palladium posted:Just the sheer reliability improvement from HDDs to SSDs alone will save enough in warranty costs for Sony/MS to offset the slight SSD price premium versus HDDs. unless the SSD is soldered to the motherboard 
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eames posted:unless the SSD is soldered to the motherboard Could save a ton of space using an M.2 SATA SSD. NVMe would be even better but let's be realistic. Support for NVMe as an upgrade option would be nice though. Please be M.2 Also with the last few gens supporting storage upgrades I highly doubt they'll solder it unless they offer additional ports for additional storage and we know how well that worked with the original XBOX and it's IDE cables.
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Isn't heat still an issue for M.2 drives, too? Wonder what it means for reliability. Can't believe we're getting an SSD drive before an optical UHD drive.
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pixaal posted:Could save a ton of space using an M.2 SATA SSD. NVMe would be even better but let's be realistic. Support for NVMe as an upgrade option would be nice though. Please be M.2 everything in that article screams soldered PCIe 4.0 SSD with custom controller to me, perhaps paired with AMD's StoreMI tiered caching for external drives. Great for Sony beancounters too because it opens up new product segmentation (128GB/512GB/1TB). Maybe I'm just being overly  — look what Apple has done to me. 
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Did you guys not read past the SSD mention? quote:At the moment, Sony won’t cop to exact details about the SSD—who makes it, whether it utilizes the new PCIe 4.0 standard—but Cerny claims that it has a raw bandwidth higher than any SSD available for PCs. It's a smaller cache drive most likely. No chance for something sata for sure even if it's not hybrid.
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It almost sounds like an Optane cache, but an AMD processor with a Optane support would be unusual to say the least.
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Xae posted:It almost sounds like an Optane cache, but an AMD processor with a Optane support would be unusual to say the least. Optane as it relates to caching is nothing special (and pretty much obsolete), AMD has had a similar solution forever. But I don't believe it's going to be a cache drive because that increases manufacturing complexity (SSD & HDD) and doesn't solve the fundamental problem of extremely long load times.
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" a raw bandwidth higher than any SSD available for PCs" screams the normal bullshit hype from before console launches and i love it
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“raw bandwidth” sounds like they might cheap out on the interconnect, though I’m not sure exactly how they would do that
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Subjunctive posted:“raw bandwidth” sounds like they might cheap out on the interconnect, though I’m not sure exactly how they would do that Raw bandwidth could just mean "it's a pcie4 ssd. Sure it only goes up to nvme speeds at best but..."
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I really want an AMD workstation laptop, I wish there was more options there.
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I'd buy *any* workstation laptop that's also 13". Sony bring back the old vaio Z but yeah, a 16 thread ryzen in a laptop would be amazing
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Truga posted:I'd buy *any* workstation laptop that's also 13". Sony bring back the old vaio Z Yeah, I bought a Precision M7510 specifically because I needed specific processor features and ECC for certain projects, plus need for more memory than normal. But if AMD did a high core count Ryzen machine, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
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The problem isn't AMD making the right parts, it's the OEMs putting the AMD parts into devices worth buying. Instead, they've mostly been using the lowest cost parts, cut down everything and give you single channel RAM. So, "AMD doesn't sell  "
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Cygni posted:" a raw bandwidth higher than any SSD available for PCs" screams the normal bullshit hype from before console launches and i love it MagusDraco posted:Raw bandwidth could just mean "it's a pcie4 ssd. Sure it only goes up to nvme speeds at best but..." ya if they added the word "theoretical" in there it would be a top notch sentence I'm excited for all of this news, it sounds like its raising the ground floor for hardware tremendously which is perfect imho
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