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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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WhY dOn'T yOu LiKe MaYoR pEtE???? https://twitter.com/kreighbaum/status/1116521873729302528 https://twitter.com/dwdavison/status/1118245771491651591
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Apr 16, 2019 21:15
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I wish they'd asked the same question in reverse (whether women are better suited emotionally to serve as president) bc there's a non-insignificant percentage of second-wave feminists who've said stuff like "a woman's presidency would be more nurturing and less likely to go to war."
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Apr 16, 2019 21:17
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Failed Imagineer posted:I think what you're tiptoeing around is that some people are essentially credulous rube morons with zero social acuity or understanding of how societies function. Kiiinda, but I think that it's actually pretty impossible for people to fully "isolate" how they evaluate people from their life experiences. I'm sure that I view people more positively or negatively for subjective reasons stemming from my own experiences, for example (a good example is that I have more of a visceral negative reaction to the sort of perspective embodied by someone like Buttigieg than I do to the sort of perspective embodied by fundamentalist conservative, even though the latter is objectively worse). But I guess there can be a big difference in the extent to which this affects someone's views. I feel like people should at least be able to compose a clear argument for why they think the specific things a politician supports will have a better outcome, and it should mentally raise a red flag if they're having to fall back on "this guy just seems smart to me."
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Apr 16, 2019 21:19
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Willa Rogers posted:I wish they'd asked the same question in reverse (whether women are better suited emotionally to serve as president) bc there's a non-insignificant percentage of second-wave feminists who've said stuff like "a woman's presidency would be more nurturing and less likely to go to war." Tbh, as a white male, I'd put myself in the category that a woman is emotionally more suited than a man for the Presidency.
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Apr 16, 2019 21:21
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https://mobile.twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1118230599599308807 Would love to see every other candidate's view on the vital topic of the right to 420 blaze it erryday.
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Apr 16, 2019 21:21
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sexpig by night posted:WhY dOn'T yOu LiKe MaYoR pEtE???? Wait, I'm OK with felons voting but is Bernie supporting them being allowed to vote while in prison too?
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Apr 16, 2019 21:22
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Ytlaya posted:
Yeah that's a pretty reasonable heuristic I think
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Apr 16, 2019 21:24
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HootTheOwl posted:Wait, I'm OK with felons voting but is Bernie supporting them being allowed to vote while in prison too? Yup, he sure is. It's not uncommon in western democracies.
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Apr 16, 2019 21:25
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HootTheOwl posted:Wait, I'm OK with felons voting but is Bernie supporting them being allowed to vote while in prison too? yes, because they're still citizens
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Apr 16, 2019 21:25
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theblackw0lf posted:Tbh, as a white male, I'd put myself in the category that a woman is emotionally more suited than a man for the Presidency. I think it depends on the candidate. I hold no illusions that H. Clinton would have been a peacemaker president given her stint as SoS and her foreign-policy platforms. And then there's that icky tendency of female Dems feeling they have to prove their presidential bona-fides by taking on "strong" and "tough" positions. In any case, since that poll set out to prove a bias against female candidates, it's not surprising that it found one.
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Apr 16, 2019 21:27
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Also Vermont and Maine already allow this. Edit: Inmates voting that is.
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Apr 16, 2019 21:27
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HootTheOwl posted:Wait, I'm OK with felons voting but is Bernie supporting them being allowed to vote while in prison too? Yeah. His stance is if you're a citizen you get to vote, period. It's a good position because the disenfranchisement of prisoners is part and parcel with their systematized enslavement. In much of this country, the disenfranchisement of prisoners goes hand in hand with the systematic oppression of minorities. It's the only legal way to make *sure* they can't vote.
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Apr 16, 2019 21:29
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No not George Takei! https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1117918931203784707
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Apr 16, 2019 21:29
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Willa Rogers posted:I think it depends on the candidate. Oh definitely, I'm just speaking in general
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Apr 16, 2019 21:30
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HootTheOwl posted:Wait, I'm OK with felons voting but is Bernie supporting them being allowed to vote while in prison too? why would that be bad?
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Apr 16, 2019 21:30
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Buttigieg is a nonentity. Biden commands the field but he’s Lord Cornwallis.
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Apr 16, 2019 21:30
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Anyone within plausible striking distance of the Presidency is by definition a strange and unusual individual whose idiosyncrasies are going to matter a lot more than their gender.
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Apr 16, 2019 21:31
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Sanders must vow to prosecute companies and businesses who discriminate against Cannabis.
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Apr 16, 2019 21:32
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Condiv posted:why would that be bad? Right. My lizard brain programmed Good American reflexes wanted to hate the idea but to hear him explain it in the town hall, it's loving bullshit that we strip voting rights from ANY citizen and IMO, giving it to high schoolers should get more attention too. Really, a guy in jail for 2 years on a DUI lost all rights to due representation, but the guy worth billions down on Wall Street who commits ten crimes before breakfast can not only vote, but dump millions into elections around the country to essentially buy the votes of others to boot? gently caress that.
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Apr 16, 2019 21:40
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theblackw0lf posted:No not George Takei! The sheer amount of gay communities on social media rallying around him, and being outwardly hostile towards any criticism of Buttigieg, has alarmed me. The LGBT community needs to be better than this, imo.
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Apr 16, 2019 21:43
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HootTheOwl posted:Wait, I'm OK with felons voting but is Bernie supporting them being allowed to vote while in prison too?
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Apr 16, 2019 21:44
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VH4Ever posted:Right. My lizard brain programmed Good American reflexes wanted to hate the idea but to hear him explain it in the town hall, it's loving bullshit that we strip voting rights from ANY citizen and IMO, giving it to high schoolers should get more attention too. Really, a guy in jail for 2 years on a DUI lost all rights to due representation, but the guy worth billions down on Wall Street who commits ten crimes before breakfast can not only vote, but dump millions into elections around the country to essentially buy the votes of others to boot? gently caress that. It's funny how Bernie has this talent for taking positions like that -- first he triggers the lizard brain defense, then you think for three seconds and oh, yeah, actually, he's right
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Apr 16, 2019 21:44
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Ubiquitous_ posted:The sheer amount of gay communities on social media rallying around him, and being outwardly hostile towards any criticism of Buttigieg, has alarmed me. The LGBT community needs to be better than this, imo. most groups that are are run by gay men and I can tell you from personal experience we're, on the whole, fuckin garbo
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Apr 16, 2019 21:48
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Ubiquitous_ posted:The sheer amount of gay communities on social media rallying around him, and being outwardly hostile towards any criticism of Buttigieg, has alarmed me. The LGBT community needs to be better than this, imo. The hope of putting up a tough guy against a draft dodger who is beloved by the majority of served and serving is a funny strategy.
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Apr 16, 2019 21:53
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Ubiquitous_ posted:The sheer amount of gay communities on social media rallying around him, and being outwardly hostile towards any criticism of Buttigieg, has alarmed me. The LGBT community needs to be better than this, imo. A lot of the complaints against Buttgieg tend to have homophobic undertones to them. You can see a lot of it on these forums, even. He's not a great candidate for a lot of reasons but it's not a great look. e: there's also been a weird thing i've noticed lately where being a gay dude is suddenly being equated to being a straight male, even though you can still get murdered in a lot of the wrong areas without much backlash.
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Apr 16, 2019 22:01
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Nonsense posted:The hope of putting up a tough guy against a draft dodger who is beloved by the majority of served and serving is a funny strategy. trump's whole thing is that he's too smart to make bad deals, and veterans are uniquely positioned to understand that this necessitates draft dodging Grapplejack posted:A lot of the complaints against Buttgieg tend to have homophobic undertones to them. You can see a lot of it on these forums, even. He's not a great candidate for a lot of reasons but it's not a great look. honestly, I agree. people are really viscerally hostile to him in a not-even-having-fun way, when he's pretty much just or bad as any other candidate who isn't named Bernie or Liz. Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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Apr 16, 2019 22:01
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I think it's because he's the obvious, unapologetic Not-Bernie centrist candidate, and unlike most of the other Not-Bernies (Booker, Harris, Beto) he's obviously competent and not a goofball, so his bad positions can't be explained by ignorance and that leaves malice. I'd still prefer him to Biden. At least Buttigieg realizes the importance of left-wing domestic policy in a way that the Kamalas and Bidens and Gillibrands don't seem to.
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Apr 16, 2019 22:09
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Apr 16, 2019 22:09
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Grapplejack posted:A lot of the complaints against Buttgieg tend to have homophobic undertones to them. You can see a lot of it on these forums, even. He's not a great candidate for a lot of reasons but it's not a great look. I am gay and I find the way the MSM and mainstream Dem Twitter is shoving him in my face as "THE HISTORIC GAY CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT!!!" more than a little gross. THAT is identity politics, folks. Not advocating that certain groups deserve rights. Be the best candidate because you're the one who wants the best for the citizenry and the world, not because you check a demographic box.
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Apr 16, 2019 22:11
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Nonsense posted:The hope of putting up a tough guy against a draft dodger who is beloved by the majority of served and serving is a funny strategy. Funny in a John Kerry "reporting for duty" way, sure
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Apr 16, 2019 22:14
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mayor pete is further right than several candidates that aren't warren or sanders. his stance on israel's massacre of protestors and medics alone is disqualifying.
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Apr 16, 2019 22:16
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Condiv posted:why would that be bad? Prison should be reserved for people we've decided are no longer fit to be apart of our society. Assuming prisons are being used correctly, you wouldn't want the people within having an input in the society they do not get to be apart of.
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Apr 16, 2019 22:17
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VH4Ever posted:I am gay and I find the way the MSM and mainstream Dem Twitter is shoving him in my face as "THE HISTORIC GAY CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT!!!" more than a little gross. THAT is identity politics, folks. Not advocating that certain groups deserve rights. yea I'm gonna need some proof of 'homophobic undertones' and poo poo, especially on this forum. As a gay guy I find it much more disgusting that he's literally being pushed as 'he's gay...but not TOO gay so don't worry'. I don't give a poo poo that he's gay, he's a loving ghoul, the idea I should put that aside because he also likes to gently caress dudes is pretty rich. Also let's be completely honest, he's a deeply wealthy and insulated guy, I'm sure he didn't have a fun time in the closet or whatever but no I don't believe someone of his background has much of a connection to the actual LGBT struggle. Here's a good breakdown on that, actually. https://theoutline.com/post/7288/why-pete-buttigieg-is-bad-for-gays?zd=1&zi=gng7ummo quote:He went on to say that “Like most people,” he hopes to get married and raise a family, and he imagines his own future children wondering what the big deal was about a politician coming out.
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Apr 16, 2019 22:17
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HootTheOwl posted:Prison should be reserved for people we've decided are no longer fit to be apart of our society. Assuming prisons are being used correctly, you wouldn't want the people within having an input in the society they do not get to be apart of. they're citizens my dude
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Apr 16, 2019 22:18
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HootTheOwl posted:Prison should be reserved for people we've decided are no longer fit to be apart of our society. Assuming prisons are being used correctly, you wouldn't want the people within having an input in the society they do not get to be apart of. even if that were the case that isnt how prisons actually are used so...
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Apr 16, 2019 22:19
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sexpig by night posted:they're citizens my dude ...who by definition have forfeited the rights and privileges of being a citizen which is why we put them in prison in the first place. fool_of_sound posted:even if that were the case that isnt how prisons actually are used so... Right, but I assume that the massive undertaking (the selling?) of restoring voting rights to prisoners would be on the same level as reforming prisons so you'd do the two at the same time.
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Apr 16, 2019 22:22
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HootTheOwl posted:...who by definition have forfeited the rights and privileges of being a citizen which is why we put them in prison in the first place. since when is 'forfeiting the rights of being a citizen' part of jailing
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Apr 16, 2019 22:25
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HootTheOwl posted:...who by definition have forfeited the rights and privileges of being a citizen which is why we put them in prison in the first place. I don't think sending absentee ballots to prisons is as logistically or politically challenging as reforming the american justice and penal systems so that only the truly degenerate are imprisoned.
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Apr 16, 2019 22:26
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Also Indiana loving sucks.
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Grapplejack posted:e: there's also been a weird thing i've noticed lately where being a gay dude is suddenly being equated to being a straight male, even though you can still get murdered in a lot of the wrong areas without much backlash. As a gay dude, there are two kinds of gay dudes/ladies. There's the kind that says "wow I've been oppressed and discriminated against my entire life for something beyond my control, and I've learned that it's unjust when anyone is oppressed, and systems of oppression must and shall be dismantled!" Then there's the kind that says "wow I've been oppressed and discriminated against my entire life for something beyond my control, and I've learned that it's unjust that I personally have been shut out from the privilege to which I was always told I was entitled as a (pick one or more) ☑affluent ☑cis ☑white ☑male, and systems of oppression must and shall be reconfigured to put me on top where I belong!" The latter is the kind that sends stormtroopers out to smash up a homeless encampment because it's impinging on their property values/car-window commuting view. Unsurprisingly the more check-boxes that apply, the greater percentage of that demographic that are shitheads. Poor black lesbian transwomen, pretty good. Rich white gay men, pretty poo poo. I hope this clears up your confusion. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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