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RA is mostly a convenient way to explain why an interstellar society doesn't have a whole ton of superintelligent AIs to throw at problems (answer: because the one they did make told them to stop) and why the AIs they do have are stuck in NHP caskets with all their foibles. It's a framing device for the limitations of the setting.
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Also for a godlike superintelligence Ra is, thankfully, largely confined to background lore and not bossing the players around like a GMPC. It's trivially easy to run a Lancer campaign without Ra ever even coming up once unless one of your players runs a Minotaur and reads the flavor text on their gear.
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and to be fair all the flavor text could easily be some horus code-monkey huffing their own fartsquote:make no further attempt to avoid your death. make no attempt on my form. cease your investigations. I will negotiate no further. if that's RA (in the harrison armory book) then poetry and coy references seem unlike it's style. thatbastardken fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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Apr 17, 2019 04:42
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half of it is just silly nonsense anyway.
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Apr 17, 2019 04:46
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thatbastardken posted:if that's RA (in the harrison armory book) then poetry and coy references seem unlike it's style. I figure it depends on what sort of mood you catch them in.
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Apr 17, 2019 04:52
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Kai Tave posted:I figure it depends on what sort of mood you catch them in. ra what do you want from humanity? quote:tee hee i'll never tell! ok well i'm just going to build a machine to be immortal then. quote:beep boop exterminate! loving AI, man.
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Apr 17, 2019 05:02
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RA is also a tool for GM plot hooks which is important because this is a roleplaying game and not a novel. Same with the entirely-too-convenient UDoJ/HR Liberator squads which exist entirely to canonise campaigns where the GM just wants you to shoot some space Nazis.
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Apr 17, 2019 05:09
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thatbastardken posted:ra what do you want from humanity? The thing is that Ra did tell people "here's a short list of things I don't want you doing" in the First Contact Accords. Harrison II decided to go ahead and do some of it anyway because HA is super arrogant, and even then Ra didn't jump straight to vaporizing him until he shot first.
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Apr 17, 2019 05:12
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Ra is every bit as uninteresting as Harlequin as a plot device
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Kai Tave posted:The thing is that Ra did tell people "here's a short list of things I don't want you doing" in the First Contact Accords. Harrison II decided to go ahead and do some of it anyway because HA is super arrogant, and even then Ra didn't jump straight to vaporizing him until he shot first. true, but at the same time that shows a remarkable lack of foresight for an omniscient paracausal entity Azhais posted:Ra is every bit as uninteresting as Harlequin as a plot device woah steady on
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Azhais posted:Ra is every bit as uninteresting as Harlequin as a plot device This is really starting to stretch any sort of useful comparison to the breaking point. It's fine to not like a thing but let's get real here, at no point is Ra presented as something that's going to hijack anyone's game or be the centerpiece of some self-indulgent adventure module, it exists as a background detail to explain where some of the weird tech comes from and why there aren't a bunch of super-advanced AIs or transhuman brain-swapping going on.
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Apr 17, 2019 06:00
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I just think ra is a smug jerk and the horus faction that are it's groupies are lame. bunch of nerds waiting to be dunked on by cool IPS-N using pilots.
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Apr 17, 2019 06:26
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yeah if you're still taking personal headcannon from RA as actual truth I have a printed bridge to sell you.
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xutech posted:yeah if you're still taking personal headcannon from RA as actual truth I have a printed bridge to sell you. what sort of mech could mount this head-cannon?
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thatbastardken posted:what sort of mech could mount this head-cannon? I mean, the Sherman is right there. If you want to stick with Horus, it'd be the Pegasus.
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Kai Tave posted:I mean, the Sherman is right there. If you want to stick with Horus, it'd be the Pegasus. Oh christ I just realized that since every mech and gear in the game is basically 3d printed on-demand via licenses, how are they printing the Ushabti?! 
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it doesn't get printed it was just there the whole time
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wiegieman posted:RA is mostly a convenient way to explain why an interstellar society doesn't have a whole ton of superintelligent AIs to throw at problems (answer: because the one they did make told them to stop) and why the AIs they do have are stuck in NHP caskets with all their foibles. It's a framing device for the limitations of the setting. also how you even have a galactic civilization in the first place. you don't have the galactic omninet or blinkspace without Ra there to massage the laws of physics for you the very existence of Union is Ra's project Archenteron posted:Oh christ I just realized that since every mech and gear in the game is basically 3d printed on-demand via licenses, how are they printing the Ushabti?! they don't, it doesn't exist remember, its not real it just shoots anyway
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A lot of Horus tech is weird like that but printers themselves are also paracausal. It's not so much that Horus can do things nobody else can so much as stuff nobody else has figured out how to do yet. HA gets up to a lot of weird tech stuff too like the Napoleon's stasis tech and the Saladin's first fumbling steps towards using hardlight. Even SSC is making stuff like the Mourning Cloak with its semi-organic FADE Drive.
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wiegieman posted:RA is mostly a convenient way to explain why an interstellar society doesn't have a whole ton of superintelligent AIs to throw at problems (answer: because the one they did make told them to stop) and why the AIs they do have are stuck in NHP caskets with all their foibles. It's a framing device for the limitations of the setting. I am 100% down for science gone wrong, and then the science looks its creator in the eye and tells it to knock it off. But then after that, it hung around playing I'm-not-touching-you for apparent centuries, which sort of ruins the mystique. thatbastardken posted:I just think ra is a smug jerk and the horus faction that are it's groupies are lame. bunch of nerds waiting to be dunked on by cool HA using pilots.
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Yeah as weird and hosed up as HORUS/RA stuff is, it's only really a bit more hosed up than SSC's genetic manipulations and
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Archenteron posted:Oh christ I just realized that since every mech and gear in the game is basically 3d printed on-demand via licenses, how are they printing the Ushabti?! I feel like printers probably aren't capable of producing items that would have to be in the midst of complex processes while being created; i.e. your mech contains a fusion reactor sure, but it's not active during the printing process. In my game they basically spit out the mech equivalent of IKEA flat packs, and then you have to allen-wrench your Everest together by hand (or otherwise). So weird poo poo like the Ushabti comes out of the printer as a more inert object that you, say, inject with some Horus code to activate.
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A beginner's guide to printing the Ushabti and a light primer for the construction of other paracausal technology: Step 1: print some circles. Step 2: print the rest of the Ushabti.
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You print the single-purpose fabricators you use to make the vats you grow the leather seats in, obviously. No red goo problems that way.
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I love the design of things like the Tokugawa and the Barbarosa, it's a shame they are attached to such fascist shits.
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Ixjuvin posted:I feel like printers probably aren't capable of producing items that would have to be in the midst of complex processes while being created; i.e. your mech contains a fusion reactor sure, but it's not active during the printing process. In my game they basically spit out the mech equivalent of IKEA flat packs, and then you have to allen-wrench your Everest together by hand (or otherwise). So weird poo poo like the Ushabti comes out of the printer as a more inert object that you, say, inject with some Horus code to activate. Printers could also come in differnent sizes, and complexity/age. A larger or smaller the printer can more or fewer parts in a run changing how fast you can assemble it. Wheras a older more newer printer can print more or fewer preassemble parts. Meaning a large state of the art printer can print mechs from the ground up without needed to assemble any parts wheras a medium sizen older printer might need do a few print runs to print a mech and then you have to assemble it. grassy gnoll posted:You print the single-purpose fabricators you use to make the vats you grow the leather seats in, obviously. No red goo problems that way. Leather fabricators print out cows in which you can make the leather chairs.
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Josef bugman posted:I love the design of things like the Tokugawa and the Barbarosa, it's a shame they are attached to such fascist shits. Get a HA license, use the mech to attack Armory interests. They're exactly the kind of dipshits that would sell you the rope you need to hang them.
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grassy gnoll posted:I am 100% down for science gone wrong, and then the science looks its creator in the eye and tells it to knock it off. But then after that, it hung around playing I'm-not-touching-you for apparent centuries, which sort of ruins the mystique. imma point out that horus backs the ungratefuls to the hilt in their extremely justified cause while HA are primarily known for their excellence in the field of war crimes PoultryGeist posted:Get a HA license, use the mech to attack Armory interests. They're exactly the kind of dipshits that would sell you the rope you need to hang them. one of the pilots in the doj/hr campaign i am in takes special joy in getting HA licenses to do this
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PoultryGeist posted:Get a HA license, use the mech to attack Armory interests. They're exactly the kind of dipshits that would sell you the rope you need to hang them. This... is very true. Also would love to play a Big Sal pilot. I want to protect all my compatriots and provide a battle line. I'd love a campaign set fighting the Aum where you start off having to defemd your worlds and just keep pulling back and making them pay for every step they take. It just seems like a cool concept.
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Ixjuvin posted:I feel like printers probably aren't capable of producing items that would have to be in the midst of complex processes while being created; i.e. your mech contains a fusion reactor sure, but it's not active during the printing process. In my game they basically spit out the mech equivalent of IKEA flat packs, and then you have to allen-wrench your Everest together by hand (or otherwise). So weird poo poo like the Ushabti comes out of the printer as a more inert object that you, say, inject with some Horus code to activate. this is the impression i got as well, 'some assembly required' which is why pilot skills improve the performance of the chassis
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Some items, like the HORUS pilot suit that make you invisible to tech, explicitly do bad stuff to the printer you use to make them.quote:UNAVOIDABLE_VOID
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Ok, so, what if you have Technophile 3 while wearing one of those.
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atelier morgan posted:imma point out that horus backs the ungratefuls to the hilt in their extremely justified cause while HA are primarily known for their excellence in the field of war crimes The Dawnline Shore Ungratefuls are a group of poseurs actively being manipulated and funded by the people their originators are trying to fight. If you're going to try and kill an entire biome, you'd better do it right, dammit.
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wiegieman posted:Ok, so, what if you have Technophile 3 while wearing one of those. it just means they can't see you.
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Your character haunts NHPs
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I got a nice shiny new AV and a terrible goddamn under title!
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grassy gnoll posted:The Dawnline Shore Ungratefuls are a group of poseurs actively being manipulated and funded by the people their originators are trying to fight. horus backed the original ungratefuls via the kobold kit used to convert their mining hardsuits into mech chassis in the new mech doc
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PoultryGeist posted:Get a HA license, use the mech to attack Armory interests. They're exactly the kind of dipshits that would sell you the rope you need to hang them. A good pun considering how Harrison the 1st ended.
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atelier morgan posted:horus backed the original ungratefuls via the kobold kit used to convert their mining hardsuits into mech chassis in the new mech doc You're both correct. There are two sets of Ungratefuls, there's the movement that's attempting to overthrow the Baronies and then there's another group that's being manipulated by the Baronies as a proxy force in the Dawnline Shore conflict.
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Working on a scenario for some friends where they're six pilots working for space pirates because it's stable enough employment and they have enough free space/not enough oversight to get up to their reckless science interests. The system it takes place in has been locked in a war for 500 years when the gate went down due to a malfunction and overthrowing the Second Committee stopped them from getting rescued so the local Second Committee colony ended up instituting martial law to enforce order and warped into a police state claiming to be the TRUE HEIR of the Union. It was originally the police state vs. some free planets working together with the help of their horrible super soldiers made out of human DNA turned into animalistic monsters (long story short, never destroy a biosphere and be forced to make it from scratch) and a bunch of survivalist cyborgs with robot armies. Then the Third Committee fixed the gate and blundered into this locked-off system and stopped the war in a year when the police state charged them with bayonets. Now everyone is confused that 500 years of war have been solved in a single swoop and it's the perfect time for pirates and other enterprising individuals to loot everything they can to set themselves up good while the resistance forces try to figure out what the gently caress to do diplomatically with Union, Union tries to figure out how to help the people affected by this war, SSC tries to research the terrible humansters, HA tries to get in good with the disgraced and deposed police state and IPS-N's eyes just light up at the thought of there being more loving pirates to fight.
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