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He's such a loving oval office, the only reason I have any time for Alastair Campbell is the complete full on meltdown he trolled Boulton into live on air during the 2010 GE. e: namesake posted:You (most likely) had one already - It was called the Referendum. Just every part of the People's Vote campaign screams 'No I can't be wrong here. People have to agree with me or it doesn't count.' My main issue with comments like these is yes, there was a referendum however both leave campaigns lied and broke all the rules. The outcome should be scrapped not because I (or anyone else) doesn't like it and are a "sore loser", but because it was illegitimate. "There was already a vote" is such a dangerous glossing over of the actions of both leave campaigns because if they're allowed to get away with that for a referendum it sends a loving starkly scary message about conduct in a General Election. e: https://news.sky.com/video/adam-why-did-you-let-him-off-the-hook-10843888 Do we like Barry Gardiner? Because this makes me want to like Barry Gardiner. NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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Miftan posted:It means 'after' or 'after me', glad I could solve this theological dispute! Modern English translations of Exodus tend to go with the former, KJV is wonderfully ambiguous (surprising no one), and that important bit of Talmudic law concerning oven cleaning seems to go with the latter.
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Bundy posted:He's such a loving oval office, the only reason I have any time for Alastair Campbell is the complete full on meltdown he trolled Boulton into live on air during the 2010 GE. do you have a link to the meltdown? I would like to watch.
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lemonadesweetheart posted:do you have a link to the meltdown? I would like to watch. I'll try and find it, in the meantime have the terrible photoshop I made at the time about it:  e: Here we go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gkHwU4DRA8 e2: vv dammit! 
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lemonadesweetheart posted:do you have a link to the meltdown? I would like to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DnQcO17uYY&t=270s
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this policy proposal has completely broken peoples brains https://twitter.com/miss_mcinerney/status/1118418231029567491
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baka kaba posted:But yeah, my take is that for people who believe in (for example) all-powerful beings beyond our reality and understanding, that have bestowed their Word upon us mere mortals, and laid down explicit rules and promises of eternal punishment for stepping out of line, everyone's incredibly chill about picking and choosing what rules are ok to break, what doctrine can be second-guessed because God actually meant to say this. It's like people actually have their own personal beliefs and moral codes, and they take what they like from their religion as with any philosophy - it's a lens to look at the world through, but they're still the one deciding what they see in the end See as a spergy teen this bugged the poo poo out of me, because there's like this kayfabe around religion where nobody ever comes out and says this directly to you and you're just expected to get it (the picking and choosing rules and not really giving a gently caress thing) because that's how normal people be But in the meantime there's still all this social pressure that if you're not following scripture you're a bad Christian, and by extension a bad person. How you're meant to react to this is to beg forgiveness, of course, and then you receive it and go back to being a lovely person 6 days a week, but all it did to me was give me a loving complex, because I didn't want to be forgiven, I wanted to not gently caress up in the first place So naturally after a while I just said "gently caress this" and stopped caring, because the alternative was continuing to hate myself forever. But I can see how slightly different influences would have led me to care a whole lot in the opposite direction. e/ I understand this is a local/personal thing, and some people actually do have religion presented to them as "more sort of guidelines". Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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Jose posted:this policy proposal has completely broken peoples brains https://twitter.com/miss_mcinerney/status/1118427667081191424
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Jose posted:this policy proposal has completely broken peoples brains
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Obligatory exams dont prepare you for life.... Jam Man needs to campaign for actual useful classes in Soc Ed such as how to manage money & preparing for real life as opposed to the 90s "DRUGS BAD, SEX WORSE" curriculum in place
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Jose posted:this policy proposal has completely broken peoples brains Lol gently caress me that is an incredible take. Bundy posted:My main issue with comments like these is yes, there was a referendum however both leave campaigns lied and broke all the rules. The outcome should be scrapped not because I (or anyone else) doesn't like it and are a "sore loser", but because it was illegitimate. But saying there should be another vote is suggesting that there is potentially a valid reason for leaving (Leave could always win again!) but somehow all the leave campaigns didn't use them and the public didnt know them so the initial vote doesn't count. The campaign rule breaking should have been punished far more but that's the deterrent to stop it happening during the democratic process not voiding the result after the fact unless it's shown that the votes cast were falsified or that people weren't actually free to vote how they wanted. Imagine the inverse and suddenly countries are forced into constantly reholding national level elections because some faction wants to cause chaos and so just deliberately starts breaking the law.
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Guavanaut posted:Love to make kids so anxious that they can't gently caress or smoke a spliff, very healthy. So many of my students (uni age) are riddled with anxiety and depression, and it's heartbreaking. None of them seem to do student-y things anymore, presumably because they can't afford the booze or the hangovers. The opportunity to stretch out a bit and figure out who the hell you are and are becoming is gone, it's just one more stage of the SATs to desperately-trying-to-get-employed pipeline (while also racking up enormous debt for the privilege). They can't sleep because they're so stressed, they can't work properly (because they're so stressed and sleep deprived), and they seem to believe their entire future is on the line with every essay they hand in (which aren't as good as they could be because they can't sleep because they're so stressed that they can't work properly). There was a run of first year suicides last year, which the uni seems to have done gently caress all about. We, as a society, are so loving horrible to our kids.
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CyberPingu posted:Obligatory exams dont prepare you for life....
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Guavanaut posted:But does the verse as a whole mean "don't follow after a bunch of people telling lies" or "don't stand up and tell a lie after a bunch of people have told the truth"? In proper confusing judaic tradition I'm gonna go with either both or neither but never just one or the other.
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namesake posted:But saying there should be another vote is suggesting that there is potentially a valid reason for leaving (Leave could always win again!) but somehow all the leave campaigns didn't use them and the public didnt know them so the initial vote doesn't count. The campaign rule breaking should have been punished far more but that's the deterrent to stop it happening during the democratic process not voiding the result after the fact unless it's shown that the votes cast were falsified or that people weren't actually free to vote how they wanted. Imagine the inverse and suddenly countries are forced into constantly reholding national level elections because some faction wants to cause chaos and so just deliberately starts breaking the law. I get where you're coming from but I don't think it's feasible to just say gently caress it and revoke because it was just Cameron playing party politics with the country's future to win an election. My problem with just punishing the campaigns after the fact but still respecting the result, is it implies that the people voting leave were able to make a fully informed decision. Not everyone is quite as good at critical thinking as your average UKMT poster and surely you don't think the outright propaganda/things the campaigns did outside of the rules played no part in the narrow majority for Leave? I mean we had elected government ministers, not just idiots like Farage, harping on about the milk and honey we'd enjoy as a result and how amazingly easy it would all be and we held all the cards and all that bollocks. I didn't buy it, but a hell of a lot did. Barry Foster posted:So many of my students (uni age) are riddled with anxiety and depression, and it's heartbreaking. None of them seem to do student-y things anymore, presumably because they can't afford the booze or the hangovers. The opportunity to stretch out a bit and figure out who the hell you are and are becoming is gone, it's just one more stage of the SATs to desperately-trying-to-get-employed pipeline (while also racking up enormous debt for the privilege). There's reams of evidence that kids having smartphones and access to social media during developmental years is a significant factor in the appalling state of mental health among the young too, particularly in girls. (Not disagreeing with you or whatabouting, I agree wholeheartedly) NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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Jose posted:this policy proposal has completely broken peoples brains "If they are always depressed or anxious because of testing that means they will never do risky teenager behavior!" This insane ghoul would see a silver lining in higher rates of teenage suicide, because it would mean that teenage pregnancy might have gone down; what in the actual gently caress
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Barry Foster posted:students I assumed it was because Gen-Z has gently caress all money or were doing social media things instead but that fits too 
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Bundy posted:e: Yes that is the correct opinion. He's nuanced or absolute about the right things I think, and he's like like a John Fortune character, only both rational and a politician instead of only one at a time whilst John Bird is the other.
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jaete posted:It seems to me that after the second Brexit deadline passed and nothing at all happened, the media and the general public have suddenly grown tired of the whole topic. It feels like not many people give a poo poo any more People are really enthusiastic about brexit being over but I guess they haven't been paying attention cause its way more likely that this still falls under mays "run out the clock til it's only my deal" plan In 5 months parliament will remember it has a deadline and she will be there to take her deal back to parliament and then go talk to Europe when it fails again and again and again
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Lib dems lib demming https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1118469387063787521 just casually asking what will happen if i murder a load of people. i'm a serious political commentator https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1118106739730276352 Jose fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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Bundy posted:My problem with just punishing the campaigns after the fact but still respecting the result, is it implies that the people voting leave were able to make a fully informed decision. Not everyone is quite as good at critical thinking as your average UKMT poster and surely you don't think the outright propaganda/things the campaigns did outside of the rules played no part in the narrow majority for Leave? I mean we had elected government ministers, not just idiots like Farage, harping on about the milk and honey we'd enjoy as a result and how amazingly easy it would all be and we held all the cards and all that bollocks. I didn't buy it, but a hell of a lot did. There's a difference between suspicion and proof, people aren't purely rational anyway even when presented with the facts and you're acting like every Remainer argument was absolute truth when it patently wasn't. The Remain campaign was forecasting immediate economic doom from the second a Leave vote happened (while we've actually seen a long term decline) but they were still making poo poo up to strengthen their side. Then there's the information leaflet distributed by the government just before campaigning restrictions started which is dodgy as hell. It was a bad referendum purely on practical grounds even before making a political assessment but it happened. It raises issues around the democratic process that should be thought through but all the claims to suggest it shouldn't count after the fact are far worse for democracy. Accept it happened, accept it's impossible to make good and either just demand we don't leave because it's been a major gently caress up ever since or go for soft brexit but just don't refer back to the vote itself.
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As a current student, there's some truth to the anxiety stuff, but also that many students don't or have barely drunk before they get to university now, and seem less eager to go to or do drinking events in general judt over the past 3 years. Part of this is smartphones and social media - if you ate constantly interacting with your friends over WhatsApp or whatever (as my 14 year old sister does) then there's less a need or drive to meet up in person - which is what ends up in the sex, drugs, and juvenile crimes. No need to meet in the park after school if you're all snapchating eahc otger anyways. Exam stress is a huge factor in kids not meeting up though (especially ones eho go to university) , I've been telling her repeatedly that her GCSEs aren't that important and that she is a smart person reguardless of her grades (which she is). And she hss to comfort her friends who take exams even more seriously and way overwork. But yea, students are becoming less wild for sure. And it saddens me aswell, because thst wildness is needed to make friends and connections really - staying in your shell makes acquaintances more than friends.
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Rarity posted:Is that Andy Parsons cause I have an irrational urge to punch him? I don't think that's irrational.
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Some good old industrial action in progress today https://twitter.com/rheawolfson/status/1118421542336114688 *scratches M&S off list of places I'm willing to shop* namesake posted:There's a difference between suspicion and proof, people aren't purely rational anyway even when presented with the facts and you're acting like every Remainer argument was absolute truth when it patently wasn't. The Remain campaign was forecasting immediate economic doom from the second a Leave vote happened (while we've actually seen a long term decline) but they were still making poo poo up to strengthen their side. Then there's the information leaflet distributed by the government just before campaigning restrictions started which is dodgy as hell. I'm honestly not trying to claim Remain is beyond reproach, they're culpable as well but the consequences of those actions had Remain won are drastically different to what we've got now, no? NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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Nothingtoseehere posted:But yea, students are becoming less wild for sure. And it saddens me aswell, because thst wildness is needed to make friends and connections really - staying in your shell makes acquaintances more than friends. Also true in my experience. I'm currently doing a Master's at the same uni I did my undergrad in. In my 1st year I was the same age as most of the 4th years, so we hung out quite a bit. They drank a lot, partied, got together frequently and pulled all-nighters to meet deadlines- classic student stuff. None of the subsequent years have been like that, and though a few like to come to the pub occasionally, nobody seems to do anything big or exciting. I think that part of it might be a shift in cultural values, alongside the stressors. It's cool to have your poo poo together, eat healthy, sleep well, etc. In Master's though, so many of our class are from abroad and don't know anybody outside uni, and as you point out it's hard for them to progress from being acquaintances into friends. e: clarity Peanut Butter fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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^^^ what the gently caress?Bundy posted:I'm honestly not trying to claim Remain is beyond reproach, they're culpable as well but the consequences of those actions had Remain won are drastically different to what we've got now, no? Well yes because there was a vote about what course of action to take. "Well they violated electoral principles of democracy too but at least we'd be in the EU." is a very bad look...
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Peanut Butter posted:Also true in my experience. I'm currently doing a master's at the same uni I did my undergrad in. In my first year I was the same age as most of the 4th years, so we hung out quite a bit. They drank a lot, partied, hung out frequently and pulled all-nighters to meet deadlines- classic student stuff. None of the subsequent years have been like that, and though a few like to come to the pub occasionally, nobody seems to do anything big or exciting. I think that part of it might be a shift in cultural values, alongside the stressors. It's cool to have your poo poo together, eat healthy, sleep well, etc. I'm honestly baffled with how little my adolescent goes out. I was never in at her age (I'm 38 now). I hope UKMTers that do have young family members keep an eye on them with their phone and social media use...I was against my stepdaughter having a smartphone at all but I was overruled...I mean how the hell do people expect someone so young to be responsible with something worth hundreds of pounds, likely to be stolen/bullied over if it's not the Right Brand, that's a window into the unfettered filth that is the depths of the internet? Other parents I speak to waffle at me about "oh but I don't want them to be bullied for being the only one to not have one" which I find infuriating, simply because I got the same poo poo for having Hi Tec instead of Nike in PE. Kids are shits to each other, it's part of growing up, deal with the lovely behaviour rather than handwave it away ignorant of the consequences surely? namesake posted:^^^ what the gently caress? Witness the effectiveness of propaganda and having your gurning loving frog face on the BBC all the time while the rest of the established parties play catch up. You'd think the Leave fiasco would have woken some fuckers up. namesake posted:Well yes because there was a vote about what course of action to take. "Well they violated electoral principles of democracy too but at least we'd be in the EU." is a very bad look... Do you have any info on the rules Remain broke before I spend my lunchtime googling? NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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namesake posted:^^^ what the gently caress? Why does that surprise you? Brexit Party is basically taking over for UKIP, and Con have been imploding for weeks
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