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Deadhouse Gate Chapters 11 - 14 Erikson's narrative style can make writing about his stories a bit difficult. They most consist of Things Happening. What do they mean? What do they matter? Erikson keeps it vague which gives the story a great sense of being part of a big complex universe, but means you're not sure exactly what is going on. Having said all that, the big reveal at the end of chapter 14 was a genuinely cool moment that linked all the Events Happening to one of our apparently regular characters. Seven cities seems a bit hosed now that it's being ruled by an abused and traumatized teenager though. Other stuff happens too. Mysterious ancient cities, undead dragons, demons fighting and people getting eaten by rats, but the Sha'ik reveal was the first time I felt the books really surprised me. e: Fiddler is Bruce Spence 
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:e: Fiddler is Bruce Spence Exactly how I picture Fiddler.
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Apr 15, 2019 16:55
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Naw, Fiddler is latter-day John Hawkes.
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Apr 15, 2019 17:22
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Seeing the ridiculous casting for the new Dune movie has me wanting to avoid all speculation of who should play whom, tbh.
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Apr 15, 2019 18:58
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Seeing the ridiculous casting for the new Dune movie has me wanting to avoid all speculation of who should play whom, tbh. I am going through so many emotions right now quote:Timothée Chalamet as Paul Atreides, the scion of House Atreides. Jason Momoa as Duncan is either a stroke of genius, or a disaster waiting to happen. Bautista should be Feyd Rautha though!
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Apr 15, 2019 19:09
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Seeing the ridiculous casting for the new Dune movie has me wanting to avoid all speculation of who should play whom, tbh.  What the gently caress. This is all wrong.
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Apr 15, 2019 19:09
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Strom Cuzewon posted:I am going through so many emotions right now Bautista seems much more physically suited to Rabban than lovely Feyd
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Apr 15, 2019 19:59
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Strom Cuzewon posted:I am going through so many emotions right now ...50-year-old Bautista should be teenaged Feyd-Rautha? I mean, he looks good for 50, but.
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Apr 16, 2019 10:09
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The only real I see there is Jason Mamoa as Duncan Idaho, and arguably Oscar Isaac as Duke Leto--he doesn't seem quite old enough to carry the part. I'm sure Stellan Skarsgård will nail Baron Harkonnen, and Charlotte Rampling as the Reverend Mother is a stroke of genius.
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Apr 16, 2019 14:21
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Momoa as Idaho is hilarious
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Apr 16, 2019 23:06
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Idaho is (going to be, if they make sequels) so weird that you can't really go wrong with a guy like Momoa. This casting for Dune is good, I don't know why anyone is complaining.
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Apr 16, 2019 23:12
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Infinite Karma posted:Idaho is (going to be, if they make sequels) so weird that you can't really go wrong with a guy like Momoa. Let me explain that for you then: a large percentage of people enjoy when the casting for a movie adaptation of a book includes actors who credibly resemble, at least thematically, the characters as described in the book. Dave Bautista as Feyd makes about as much sense as Peter Dinklage as Anomander Rake. It might be zany and fun and a good movie, but it would still be disappointing to people looking for a 7 foot tall black Elric.
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Apr 17, 2019 01:17
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User posted:Let me explain that for you then: a large percentage of people enjoy when the casting for a movie adaptation of a book includes actors who credibly resemble, at least thematically, the characters as described in the book. For Paul, Jessica, Gurney, The Baron, Rabban, Piter, Mohiam, Stilgar, and Yueh, they all seem pretty much perfect to me, I can effortlessly imagine them as the characters. Leto and Chani seem more serious than Oscar Isaac and Zendaya typically come off, but I can also imagine their takes on the characters working. Duncan Idaho is kind of a wildcard, he struck me as the chaotic underachiever who was also both charismatic and good at his job. Momoa isn't visually how I imagine Duncan, but his swagger fits the bill. Infinite Karma fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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Apr 17, 2019 01:47
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Wow I massively misread the list. Sleep deprivation I guess. Agree Bautista works fine as Rabban. Josh Brolin as Gurney isn't at all how I'd picture him, but I can see it working. User fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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Apr 17, 2019 02:24
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83% Into Reaper's Gale (It's FINALLY getting frantic). Oh man...anyway, Oh...Beak.  I might have said it this before, but I'll say it for the people in the back: I think Beak and Itkovian should get together and go bowling.As for Natarka or whatever your name is, this is for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZJUuDLqjzU&t=51s
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Apr 17, 2019 06:38
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User posted:Let me explain that for you then: a large percentage of people enjoy when the casting for a movie adaptation of a book includes actors who credibly resemble, at least thematically, the characters as described in the book. I was being slightly tongue in cheek before, but I'm gonna double down - I'd love to see a weird hedonistic Bautista Feyd. No idea if he could do it, but I'd love to see him try.
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Apr 17, 2019 09:21
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isnt idaho basically just a muscly swarthy dude. Momoa is fine
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Apr 17, 2019 12:01
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He's also a jobber.
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Apr 17, 2019 17:49
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User posted:He's also a jobber. Or the main character of the series.
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Apr 17, 2019 19:25
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Finishing up Kellanved's Reach made me go back and read the first parts of Garden of the Moon. Kellanved's Reach totally rewrote the backstory of the mages in a way that was completely unnecessary.
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Apr 19, 2019 18:23
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Ethiser posted:Finishing up Kellanved's Reach made me go back and read the first parts of Garden of the Moon. Kellanved's Reach totally rewrote the backstory of the mages in a way that was completely unnecessary. sometimes when the truth comes out, its not as good as the mystery our minds created. on the other hand, KR has quite a lot of fan service in it. sometimes that doesnt do well.
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Apr 19, 2019 18:41
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It isn't really a mystery when a clear backstory is given that turns out to not have been true at all, and not a mystical backstory like the Tiste, but something as simple as when someone joined the empire.
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Apr 19, 2019 19:03
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Ethiser posted:Finishing up Kellanved's Reach made me go back and read the first parts of Garden of the Moon. Kellanved's Reach totally rewrote the backstory of the mages in a way that was completely unnecessary. It's possible that what's written in GotM is subject to the whims of whoever is expositing at any given moment. It's also possible - and perhaps more reasonable to suggest - that Esslemont is more interested in what makes a decent story than what's already been written on the subject. Chris Metzen - who wrote most of the lore for Warcraft - consistently hosed his own lore up because he couldn't remember what he'd written and couldn't be bothered checking because: cocaine. I'm not suggesting that's where the issues here lie, but I'd say it's equally as likely that Esslemont had a different interpretation of backstory as that he completely re-wrote it to fit a story he'd sketched out for the book.
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Apr 19, 2019 23:08
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kingturnip posted:It's possible that what's written in GotM is subject to the whims of whoever is expositing at any given moment. It is also equally possible that Esslemont is just cashing in on the series while it lasts. Which makes me question why we don’t get the last part of the kharkanas series while Esslemont can churn out his mediocre fanfic without any issue. But I guess erikson have a better contract where the publisher is expecting higher sales.
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Apr 20, 2019 03:15
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I'm finally closing in on the end of Deadhouse Gates, by which I mean I've got 150 pages or so, and man the slaughter of the refugees, and the vengeance of the survivors, is some ueavy poo poo Shout out my boy Duiker trying to choke the life out of a nobleman
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Apr 21, 2019 01:10
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Cardiac posted:It is also equally possible that Esslemont is just cashing in on the series while it lasts. Iirc Kharkanas is a combination of less than stellar sales and also he just wants to do something different before he dehumanizes and faces to wor'ds
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Apr 21, 2019 01:12
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I'm finally closing in on the end of Deadhouse Gates, by which I mean I've got 150 pages or so, and man
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So, I'm 85% in Reaper's Gale and honestly, the death of Redmask bothered me more than I thought it would. I mean, if he was a failure, then why didn't they kill him sooner? Why didn't they just abandon him? He would have been killed anyway and even if he wasn't, well, so? He can hang around with Toc. I guess it's safe to say that I really liked him as he is a fascinating character.
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Pleiades posted:So, I'm 85% in Reaper's Gale and honestly, the death of Redmask bothered me more than I thought it would. Yeah, out of all of the loose ends Erikson leaves dangling, he's by far my favourite. You know that something went down, but not what. But you're well past the stage where the details matter. Just finished TCG on my re-read, and like DoD I feel much more warmly towards it now I'm not sifting through it for plot. I still think it ends much too suddenly, but the little moments we get, like Tavore's whimpered "I lost her..." are really fantastic. Now onto Assail, for the first and last time. 22 books, it's been a hell of a ride. Just in time for the Bonfire thread to rip it to pieces.
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Pleiades posted:So, I'm 85% in Reaper's Gale and honestly, the death of Redmask bothered me more than I thought it would. Following is completely non-plot related and should be fine to read, the only reason I spoilered it was in case someone could make an inference about the content of your spoiler based on it: You do get a suprise bit of out-of-the-blue-closure later in the series. DoD I think, maybe TCG. I liked the character and that arc as well, but in general I suspect we may be in the minority on that one. Gravy Jones fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Apr 21, 2019 |
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Apr 21, 2019 19:00
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TBH, it was kind of a roller coaster with him. At first, AWESOME GETTING ATTACHED NOW(despite the fact that I already peeked so knew what would happen), but then I felt like he kind of ran out of gas, agreeing that the arc maybe shouldn't have existed even though I liked the character. BUT, once I found that I was at THAT POINT and THAT happened, I started thinking "don't know what you got till it's gone." I was like that with Claw Pearl too. In that case though, I had no idea THAT would happen. I will miss them both. At least Beak and Itkovian got some damned good closure. Pleiades fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Apr 21, 2019 |
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Apr 21, 2019 20:22
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Deadhouse Gates Chapters 15 - 24 Well that got pretty messed up towards the end. Very epic though. This was a much more coherent story then the first book but still suffered some "Marvel Cinematic Universe syndrome" when new and old characters showed up toward the end to drop plot hooks and hints for the greater series arc. It's also clear that this setting is very prone to having a god show up and do poo poo when the plot needs it. The sheer age of the world and the innumerable civilisations that have risen, dies and been built over is a recurring theme. And that ties into the more visceral theme of physical death and rebirth that has happened to quite a few characters so far. Even doggos and bit characters get to be remade as something new in the story. The T'lan Imass seem pretty monstrous, but it's understandable that their first empire couldn't tolerate creatures as potentially powerful and threatening as the Jhaguts. It would be difficult to have a stable society with literal demigods living on your doorstep. I can't help but think that this series would have been a much more entertaining TV show then Game of Thrones.
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Apr 23, 2019 09:20
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I can't wait until you get to Memories of Ice. It is STILL my favorite of the bunch.
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Apr 23, 2019 15:05
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Pleiades posted:So, I'm 85% in Reaper's Gale and honestly, the death of Redmask bothered me more than I thought it would. this is the most alien opinion I think I've ever read
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Apr 23, 2019 21:36
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But...but...why? I guess I really am in the minority.
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Apr 24, 2019 00:30
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hes a hot topic goth with an indiana jones kink
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Apr 24, 2019 00:41
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Huh. Maybe that's why I liked him. 
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:The T'lan Imass seem pretty monstrous, but it's understandable that their first empire couldn't tolerate creatures as potentially powerful and threatening as the Jhaguts. It would be difficult to have a stable society with literal demigods living on your doorstep. T'lann Imass never had an empire, they are after all Eriksons version of Neanderthals ie cave men. Also, Jhaghuts living on the T'lann Imass doorstep is one way of describing it. I forget when the exact relationship between Jhaghut and T'lann Imass is described, but I guess it is in MoI.
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Apr 25, 2019 06:58
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Cardiac posted:Also, Jhaghuts living on the T'lann Imass doorstep is one way of describing it.
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Cardiac posted:T'lann Imass never had an empire, they are after all Eriksons version of Neanderthals ie cave men. The First Empire
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