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How the hell is palpatine alive?
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Apr 17, 2019 04:43
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spacetoaster posted:How the hell is palpatine alive? He probably isn’t. It’s either a flashback or a vision or a Holocron or a ghost of some kind.
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Apr 17, 2019 04:45
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Gonz posted:He probably isn’t. It’s either a flashback or a vision or a Holocron or a ghost of some kind. I saw that one of the expanded universe novels had him using some kind of force power to force his mind into fresh clone body. I guess it could be that "un-natural" ability he was talking about all those movies ago.
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Apr 17, 2019 04:49
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spacetoaster posted:How the hell is palpatine alive? Sith version of Force Ghost he figured out how to do Flashback Holocron OR they go full EU garbage and Sheev had a clone hidden just in case. I'm hoping for the last one because that was so stupid and I hope they take the dumbest route where we learn the clone wars were all cover so he could experiment on putting himself in a clone backup.
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Apr 17, 2019 04:54
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spacetoaster posted:How the hell is palpatine alive?
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Apr 17, 2019 05:17
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the death star throne room or core will be intact and palpatibes Force Presence (as opposed to the light sides Force Ghost powerup) will permeate into a pseudo-concsciousness of Palpatine that speaks to Rey. itll be like the dark side cave poo poo
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Apr 17, 2019 07:08
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In the EU Legends stuff though, his clone body was youthful. They're getting present day Ian McDiarmid to reprise the role. A man who is in his mid-70's. And if he was cloned and artifically aged, he still wouldn't be all burned up from his own force lightning, unless they bring him back as pre-burned up Palpatine. It's loving wild to think that he was in his mid-30's-early-40's when he played the role in '80 and '83. That makeup was really convincing to turn him into a crusty old dude.
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Apr 17, 2019 07:52
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I still really want Force Ghost Hayden Christensen to show up. Like, what has ghost Anakin been doing since RotJ? Only Yoda could be bothered to show up to talk to Luke?
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Apr 17, 2019 08:01
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Gonz posted:He probably isn’t. It’s either a flashback or a vision or a Holocron or a ghost of some kind. The idea that Palpatine has a holocron with his laugh saved on it tells me that he had his priorities in order. 
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Apr 17, 2019 08:10
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Gonz posted:In the EU Legends stuff though, his clone body was youthful. This is gonna sound mega "pushing my glasses up my nose" nerdy, but he didn't originally play the Emperor in Empire Strikes Back. He is now, but they filmed it when they filmed Revenge of the Sith. Back in 80, it was an old woman with a makeup appliance and part of a chimp's face superimposed over it to give it a weird look. Clive Reville did the voice. One of my favorite weird facts about Star Wars. Edit: Here's a fun comparison. I also forgot they changed the dialog because George Lucas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRsDLIPVsic TheBigBudgetSequel fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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Apr 17, 2019 08:15
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So the whole plan from the outset was to uncanonize whatever the Expanded Universe had, wait a while until they ran out of ideas/poo poo looks bad, then cannibalize Dark Empire or whatever with no shame and have J.J. take all the credit if its good because who the gently caress knows Tom Veitch, Cam Kennedy or Jim Baikie these days? Genius. But yeah, after Yoda showed you can just lightning whatever as a force ghost what good is it to utilize the force to revive you know. Unless, hilariously, that's all prune face was waiting for. Luke and everyone else to be dead so he can walk into an empire again and -- who the gently caress are these First Order? Snoke? That guy I intentionally trained badly and left for dead without some elaborate betrayal because he made Lord Vader look competent? Wait, they all just failed themselves to death after all this time?! None of my revenge squads and ideas were even utilized?! Oh - Sithis, I should have just came back sooner.
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Apr 17, 2019 08:28
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Martman posted:I still really want Force Ghost Hayden Christensen to show up. Like, what has ghost Anakin been doing since RotJ? Only Yoda could be bothered to show up to talk to Luke? Me too. And I think that happens. Hayden showing up and telling Kylo to stop being such a little poo poo who's got his history wrong, and what a doofus he was for falling for Palpatine's schtick back in the day. TheBigBudgetSequel posted:This is gonna sound mega "pushing my glasses up my nose" nerdy, but he didn't originally play the Emperor in Empire Strikes Back. He is now, but they filmed it when they filmed Revenge of the Sith. Back in 80, it was an old woman with a makeup appliance and part of a chimp's face superimposed over it to give it a weird look. Clive Reville did the voice. One of my favorite weird facts about Star Wars. Huh. I learn something new every day! Gonz fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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Apr 17, 2019 08:38
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Gonz posted:Me too. And I think that happens. I want nothing but force ghosts just shittin' on Kylo for the entire run time of the film. Just "You are the worst. Shape the gently caress up, weirdo" for 2 hours.
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Apr 17, 2019 09:34
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:I want nothing but force ghosts just shittin' on Kylo for the entire run time of the film. Just "You are the worst. Shape the gently caress up, weirdo" for 2 hours. Force Ghost Luke and Force Ghost Anakin just Bran Stark-ing the poo poo out of Kylo constantly. Showing up in the corners of rooms and just giving him the stink eye. Showing up in windows with the stink eye. Showing up in the bathroom and just staring a hole through him, all while saying nothing.
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Apr 17, 2019 09:37
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Hayden showing up and having a sit down with Kylo Ren could've been a neat scene in a well-thought-out ST. It wouldn't surprise me if they sneak it in in the third film but I genuinely don't think they'll 'canonize' the present PT in the ST so blatantly. On the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me if the ending of the film is Rey, Force Luke, Force Anakin and Kylo teaming up to kill Super Palpatine -- for good, this time. So, who knows.
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Apr 17, 2019 12:14
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Assuming it isn't Rey is the secret Skywalker Palpatine creation. So a Jedi with a Sith Soul fights the wannabe Vader sith.
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Apr 17, 2019 12:50
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:Hayden showing up and having a sit down with Kylo Ren could've been a neat scene in a well-thought-out ST. It wouldn't surprise me if they sneak it in in the third film but I genuinely don't think they'll 'canonize' the present PT in the ST so blatantly. They're not going to remake the Prequels
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Apr 17, 2019 15:16
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General Dog posted:They're not going to remake the Prequels yes, they put any more movies on hiatus, we're all aware
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Apr 17, 2019 15:27
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:On the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me if the ending of the film is Rey, Force Luke, Force Anakin and Kylo teaming up to kill Super Palpatine -- for good, this time. So, who knows. Incidentally, the "come out of hyperspace just before hitting a planet to bypass its shield" trick from TFA is originally from the rough draft of ROTJ as well.
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Apr 17, 2019 15:53
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Maybe Kylo's agenda the whole time has been to defeat Ghost Palpatine by any means necessary. As a huge Vader stan, there's no way he has any love for Palpatine.
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Apr 17, 2019 16:00
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General Dog posted:Maybe Kylo's agenda the whole time has been to defeat Ghost Palpatine by any means necessary. As a huge Vader stan, there's no way he has any love for Palpatine. "I will finish...what you started." Oh poo poo.
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Apr 17, 2019 16:32
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Lol if Kylo's long game has been an extremely misguided attempt at bringing Sheev out of hiding to permanently vanquish him by dressing like Vader and moping like Anakin Ben (in his jedi school hut): okay so Palpatine's spirit is still out there and I need to draw him out. We know he likes black face masks and brooding teens with thick manes of hair. Anyway diary thats all for now, have to rest up for a big day of jedi school with my favorite uncle Ingmar terdman fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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Apr 17, 2019 16:46
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OT: Yay! We killed the bad guy! Time for the good guys to fix everything! PT: Hmm maybe killing one bad guy isn't actually enough, and maybe the system that allowed him to come to power was the real problem! ST: Actually, the problem is we didn't kill the bad guy hard enough.
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Apr 17, 2019 16:49
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Ingmar terdman posted:Ben (in his jedi school hut): okay so Palpatine's spirit is still out there and I need to draw him out. We know he likes black face masks and brooding teens with thick manes of hair. Anyway diary thats all for now, have to rest up for a big day of jedi school with my favorite uncle I just want to point out how much I love this.
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Apr 17, 2019 17:01
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Ben had a force vision about Sid still being around, he kept pestering Uncle Luke about it and Yoda and Sid both Ghost Tricked Luke into attacking Ben to make him Sith legitimately. Everyone fucks up in this scenario!
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Apr 17, 2019 17:19
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Ingmar terdman posted:Lol if Kylo's long game has been an extremely misguided attempt at bringing Sheev out of hiding to permanently vanquish him by dressing like Vader and moping like Anakin This would redeem the entire series.
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Apr 17, 2019 20:55
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Luke and Ben pulling some Ocean's 11-style scheme on Paul Saltines would be hilarious and awesome and would please me greatly. EDIT: This needs to be in the soundtrack somewhere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdSai09_jzc Gonz fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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Apr 17, 2019 21:09
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Gonz posted:Luke and Ben pulling some Ocean's 11-style scheme on Paul Saltines would be hilarious and awesome and would please me greatly. The entirety of the Republic Fleet and the Hosnian System were in on it (but not Leia)
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Apr 17, 2019 21:20
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Luke, to Leia: "We had to ice billions of people and your ex-husband to lure Palpatine out of hiding. THERE WAS NO OTHER WAY! Sorry!" And Leia is just standing there, incredulous, like Al Pacino watching the helicopter carry his diamonds away. If that happened, my in-theater laughter would quickly degenerate into violent coughing.
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Apr 17, 2019 21:22
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Luke, to Risen Palpatine: "Everything is proceeding as I have forseen"
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Apr 17, 2019 21:24
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Gonz posted:Luke, to Leia: "We had to ice billions of people and your ex-husband to lure Palpatine out of hiding. THERE WAS NO OTHER WAY! Sorry!" Oh please, it was all Han's idea to finally get out of returning to save the day
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Apr 17, 2019 21:25
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Vinylshadow posted:Oh please, it was all Han's idea to finally get out of returning to save the day In wrestling terms, Han was putting Kylo over
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Apr 17, 2019 21:26
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:Hayden showing up and having a sit down with Kylo Ren could've been a neat scene in a well-thought-out ST. It wouldn't surprise me if they sneak it in in the third film but I genuinely don't think they'll 'canonize' the present PT in the ST so blatantly. They were playing with doing this in Force Awakens when Kylo meditates over Vader's helmet. The helmet's resting on the ashes of everyone they incinerate on each trip somewhere searching for the first Jedi temple. There was a lot of cool, like, this isn't TECHNICALLY formal Jedi or Sith kind of behavior but we all perceive the force so of course folks have various rituals and faiths and things they build up around it kind of stuff. Everyone on the lookout for Jedi/Sith artifacts was to be a part of that too, sort of like the relic "industry" in ancient Catholicism because after the events of Jedi/etc. it sinks in with folks at large again that oh poo poo the Force is for real real and not just a thing we talk about. Them exploring the Death Star II wreckage in this flick was something originally from Force Awakens too IIRC. It was going to open up with Finn having already deserted and flying through space stuff over Jakku before getting busted and crash landing since Ren's ship and complement were in the area. I liked Force Awakens and Last Jedi quite a bit but both wasted a lot of potential and that sucks.
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Apr 17, 2019 21:29
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so all this kylo-palp jokery probably uncovers the basic truth of Rise of Skywalkers plot: Ben, having been severely injured and places in a new half-robot samurai-styled armor, sacrifices himself to defeat Palpatine and save Rey theres absolutely no chance Kylo doesnt go through a redemption arc in this. he was way too humanized by the Last Jedi
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Apr 17, 2019 22:34
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The RotJ unmasking scene but it's just Adam Driver's normal face.
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Apr 17, 2019 22:38
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Ammanas posted:so all this kylo-palp jokery probably uncovers the basic truth of Rise of Skywalkers plot: Ben, having been severely injured and places in a new half-robot samurai-styled armor, sacrifices himself to defeat Palpatine and save Rey Wasn’t the point of Last Jedi that his humanity does not automatically redeem him?
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Apr 17, 2019 22:38
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Ammanas posted:theres absolutely no chance Kylo doesnt go through a redemption arc in this. he was way too humanized by the Last Jedi He's been given every chance to redeem himself and every time he's gone "Nope. Nah. Nuh-uh. Never gonna happen." But I'm sure they'll at the very least keep him alive so they can use him later, and it he dies, feel free to hunt this post down so you can say "I told you so."
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Apr 17, 2019 22:54
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when will rey be redeemed from jedi indoctrination?
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Apr 17, 2019 23:00
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Vader spends almost his entire screen time in RotJ telling Luke it's no use trying to redeem him, before Luke totally does anyway.
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Apr 17, 2019 23:01
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And the same guy who wouldn't take up arms against Darth Fuckin' Vader because of a sliver of potential goodness decided to chop up his innocent young nephew because... Disney spent their whole budget on CGI and couldn't hire writers worth a drat.
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Apr 17, 2019 23:55
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