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muscles like this! posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWhzx4_YNsM I love how everyone is out of character costume and then there’s this 
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I started a series rewatch. It's become very clear to me that I hated Quentin so much because now, four years in I can see how much I really identify with him. It's a little sobering really.
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Rhyno posted:I started a series rewatch. It's become very clear to me that I hated Quentin so much because now, four years in I can see how much I really identify with him. It's a little sobering really. Everyone was unlikable in the first season.
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Alhazred posted:Everyone was unlikable in the first season. Elliot and Julia weren't.
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Alhazred posted:Everyone was unlikable in the first season. Everyone is unlikeable in their 20s.
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Leathal posted:Huh, you usually hear about this sort of thing in the context of “we don’t know if the show’s getting renewed”, so for them to put in the added time and expense to hedge bets on whether a c-list actor would be returning seems very unusual to me. These kinds of shows shoot their entire season before the air date. They probably told Syfy that it was in case of cancellation and might have even started that way.
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Rocksicles posted:Elliot and Julia weren't. Julia decided to mess with the head of a friend she knew had a history of mental problems. That's a really lovely thing to do.
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Alhazred posted:Julia decided to mess with the head of a friend she knew had a history of mental problems. That's a really lovely thing to do. Didn't make her unlikable. Everyone was doing lovely things to people, Q abandoned her.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Everyone is unlikeable in their 20s. Early twenties in particular. Those early college years are chaos for reason, everyone is insane.
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Apr 20, 2019 18:14
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Rocksicles posted:Didn't make her unlikable. Everyone was doing lovely things to people, Q abandoned her. Almost lobotomizing someone because they got into magic school instead you seems a bit extreme.
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Apr 20, 2019 18:46
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Alhazred posted:Everyone was unlikable in the first season. Q's history as the show portrays it hits home on a lot of stuff I've tried to repress. I've not suffered from long term depression but the number of times I've been depressed and despaired in my life in incalculable. I'm not stranger to the 72 hour psyche hold either. Growing up I was always told I was special, that I was going to be great, do great things. And now, 4 decades in, my life is exceptionally unimpressive. I have a good life with a wonderful partner but had I not met her 10 years ago I doubt I'd have been able to keep my head above it all this time.
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Rhyno posted:Q's history as the show portrays it hits home on a lot of stuff I've tried to repress. I've not suffered from long term depression but the number of times I've been depressed and despaired in my life in incalculable. I'm not stranger to the 72 hour psyche hold either. Growing up I was always told I was special, that I was going to be great, do great things. And now, 4 decades in, my life is exceptionally unimpressive. I have a good life with a wonderful partner but had I not met her 10 years ago I doubt I'd have been able to keep my head above it all this time. Depression doesn't excuse how he portrayed Penny in his mind 
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Apr 20, 2019 21:58
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Alhazred posted:Depression doesn't excuse how he portrayed Penny in his mind Holy gently caress I completely forgot about that. I definitely think he's a completely different person by the end, but. Jesus loving christ.
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Apr 20, 2019 23:05
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I identify with Q because I, too, was a whiny entitled 20 something manchild who gets way more credit than he should for at least trying to be better because the bar for middle class white American males is so comically low.
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Rhyno posted:Q's history as the show portrays it hits home on a lot of stuff I've tried to repress. I've not suffered from long term depression but the number of times I've been depressed and despaired in my life in incalculable. I'm not stranger to the 72 hour psyche hold either. Growing up I was always told I was special, that I was going to be great, do great things. And now, 4 decades in, my life is exceptionally unimpressive. I have a good life with a wonderful partner but had I not met her 10 years ago I doubt I'd have been able to keep my head above it all this time. Ya’know... I’ve seen you around these forums for years. Thank you for sharing that. I don’t really know you and it sounds so bloody trite, but I’m glad you are still here. So binged these last few episodes starting with the musical episode. What a rollercoaster. Such a wonderfully written series. I’m a debaucherous, aloof, flaky bastard and when Elliot sang “Take on Me” I cried. Like a newborn. This show pierced my armour so completely. I really was not expecting this. This was one of the most touching character exits I have ever seen. Beautifully and exquisitely done. Bravo Magicians. Now someone get me a drink and help me plot my Hale Appleman and Tom Hiddleston sandwich.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:I identify with Q because I, too, was a whiny entitled 20 something manchild who gets way more credit than he should for at least trying to be better because the bar for middle class white American males is so comically low. Both Q and Julia are people who think that they're the super special chosen ones. To Q's credit he doesn't, unlike Julia, immediately gets radicalized and joins a criminal organisation the moment he learns that he isn't.
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Apr 21, 2019 12:04
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Kinda disappointed that the show let a man chose to take away a woman superpowers for selfish reasons and he's still portrayed as likable.
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Alhazred posted:Kinda disappointed that the show let a man chose to take away a woman superpowers for selfish reasons and he's still portrayed as likable. boooooo
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Alhazred posted:Kinda disappointed that the show let a man chose to take away a woman superpowers for selfish reasons and he's still portrayed as likable. This was the worst decision, if someone is a god then presumably there's a chance they can make the decision to become mortal later if she regretted it. From a story perspective obviously they can't let Julia be a god but Penny's decision was terrible. I mean poo poo, if in doubt stick with the status quo, right? She's already a god, if she woke up still a god she wouldn't have been angry, or even aware the option to become mortal had been available.
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Agreed. I think Ghostbusters had a quote about that? We never saw his choice, and the binder described it as a long and difficult process to godhood... I enjoyed the episode but it was a bit frenetic, there were at least a half dozen episodes crammed in the last ep. Julia suddenly recovering in the cottage. Kady getting cured in a blink and you’ll miss it scene. Alice as the head of the library because she’s ethical was an odd choice for Zelda to make.
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Apr 21, 2019 13:33
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There's still that future? Alice that Penny saw, the one writing all the cryptic poo poo. That might be her actual fate.
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Even if the choice had to be made, having Penny do it was hosed up. "We just met a couple of weeks ago, but we might go on a date, so that makes me her medical proxy!" Q probably would've been the best choice. Also, having Q open the flower was stupid plotwise. Why not have Fen do it in two seconds with no drama?
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Alhazred posted:I guess it makes sense for the Binder to ask Penny because the Binder was portrayed as a sexist jerk. But Penny should've realized how hosed up his decision was on his own. He did? He said that during that scene. I would’ve appreciated a throwaway ‘we can’t wake her up to ask because magic’ line.
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PCjr sidecar posted:He did? He said that during that scene. If he had understood it he wouldn't have decided to make her mortal so he could gently caress her.
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Apr 21, 2019 15:35
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Julia forgave him... maybe you guys should.
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Rocksicles posted:Julia forgave him... maybe you guys should. I'm glad they showed her being pissed with him, but her problem was the rather unreasonable "you didn't have my consent" when he literally had to make a choice and it was impossible to ask her. The reason it was a "difficult" decision was because on one hand he had a decision that might let him live happily ever after with the woman he loves, and on the other hand he had a strictly better option for her which would mean he had to sacrifice his own happiness. He was rather saved by Julia's own self doubt on this one.
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Rocksicles posted:Julia forgave him... maybe you guys should. It was lovely writing. Especially for a show that has proven to be really good about these issues.
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Chalks posted:I'm glad they showed her being pissed with him, but her problem was the rather unreasonable "you didn't have my consent" when he literally had to make a choice and it was impossible to ask her.
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Anne Whateley posted:He didn't literally have to make a choice. It would've taken no effort for him to give the choice to someone who was way more qualified than he, basically a rando, was. I got the impression that there was no time but I guess you're right - they had time to get the binder I'm pretty sure they could have also got someone else too. I mean he's not just a rando, he's also got a massive conflict of interest with a decision like that!
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Apr 21, 2019 16:00
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He is a Traveler, "no time" isn't really a factor v That Penny recently came from another timeline. Literally all of the friendgroup know Julia better than he does
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She would have been more pissed if he had handed off the choice to someone that didn't know her. Being a notgod caused her all kinda of torment about not feeling and being distant, her mentor was merked. Least she had peeps back on the human level.  bad writing... i'll be angry thanks.
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Chalks posted:I'm glad they showed her being pissed with him, but her problem was the rather unreasonable "you didn't have my consent" when he literally had to make a choice and it was impossible to ask her. Theres also the conversation he had with the prep school ghost whose name I can't remember that may have hosed with Penny's judgement. That was only a few episodes ago and he said he'd never choose his own happiness but that they both deserve each other.
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Didn’t P23 and Julia have a convo about whether she should be mortal or a god?
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theCalamity posted:Didn’t P23 and Julia have a convo about whether she should be mortal or a god? They did but it was really just a conversation about her ambivalence and self doubt. It was the basis of his decision, but I think it would have been better if they'd shown Julia expressing a clear preference to be mortal - even if she regretted it afterwards and had the same anger towards Penny when she realised she couldn't do magic as a mortal at all. That way the decision would have been more about whether to keep her god powers for the greater good against her wishes, or to make her mortal with the conflict of whether his decision was really because she wanted it or because he did. I'm just nit picking really, but sometimes the behaviour of the characters doesn't quite click for me.
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Apr 21, 2019 16:46
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Anne Whateley posted:
Todd knows her better than he does.
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I also liked that the most personal thing Fogg had after Q was a form he filled out.
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Couldn’t penny have just incepted Julia while she was unconscious and ask her directly? He’s done it before.
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