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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Grouchio posted:

Two french billionaires are pledging 100m and 200m to fund repairs to Notre Dame.

As we famously recall Jesus said "if you have money, give it to the restoration of a building that worships me, and spit on some poor people while you're at it"

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Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Tesseraction posted:

As we famously recall Jesus said "if you have money, give it to the restoration of a building that worships me, and spit on some poor people while you're at it"

"And don't forget to make it tax-deductible"

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Everyone let's thank the UK government for positively contributing to european policy:

Article 13: UK helps push through new EU copyright rules

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Private Speech posted:

Everyone let's thank the UK government for positively contributing to european policy:

Article 13: UK helps push through new EU copyright rules

Qualified majority means 55% of the states and 65% of the population. If Brexit had happened, with EU population shrinking as a result to 446 millions instead of 511, and 27 states instead of 28, given how the rest of the countries voted, the directive would still have passed; the countries voting against (Italy, Poland, Netherlands, Sweden, Finland, Luxembourg) representing only about 30% of the remaining population. And even if the countries that abstained had voted against, they'd still only get to about 33% of the population, close but no cigar, would still need about 11 more million people to get a blocking minority.

So yeah, you win this time, Perfidious Albion: we can't blame you for this dumb poo poo.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

when britain hard brexits we will become the shadow bank of dank memes for the starved europeans

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Cat Mattress posted:

Qualified majority means 55% of the states and 65% of the population. If Brexit had happened, with EU population shrinking as a result to 446 millions instead of 511, and 27 states instead of 28, given how the rest of the countries voted, the directive would still have passed; the countries voting against (Italy, Poland, Netherlands, Sweden, Finland, Luxembourg) representing only about 30% of the remaining population. And even if the countries that abstained had voted against, they'd still only get to about 33% of the population, close but no cigar, would still need about 11 more million people to get a blocking minority.

So yeah, you win this time, Perfidious Albion: we can't blame you for this dumb poo poo.

They could've voted against though, if, say, there was a Corbyn government.

But fair enough. I mostly liked how positive the headline was when I saw it on BBC.

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

Zudgemud posted:

The EU national anthem should just be whatever lovely song it is that wins eurovision that year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSbp8lwCQp8

Also, those donations to Notre Dame make me loving furious. GIVE THAT MONEY TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE YOU FUCKS.

AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Apr 16, 2019

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Grouchio posted:

Two french billionaires are pledging 100m and 200m to fund repairs to Notre Dame.

Apparently the building was in a state of disrepair and the ongoing renovations were kind of a shitshow for lack of money. Estimates were that they'd needed to invest around 150m to do it properly, but the French state "couldn't" put up the money.

This is what neoliberalism does to your culture and history.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

AceOfFlames posted:

Also, those donations to Notre Dame make me loving furious. GIVE THAT MONEY TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE YOU FUCKS.

You don't fight climate change with money; you fight climate change by assassinating fossil fuel lobbyists. But there are all kinds of legal obstacles to running a fundraiser for hiring hitmen.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Orange Devil posted:

Apparently the building was in a state of disrepair and the ongoing renovations were kind of a shitshow for lack of money. Estimates were that they'd needed to invest around 150m to do it properly, but the French state "couldn't" put up the money.

This is what neoliberalism does to your culture and history.
And somehow billionaires electing to fix the mess is a bad thing always.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Grouchio posted:

And somehow billionaires electing to fix the mess is a bad thing always.

Billionaires shouldn't get to elect poo poo.

Tax these loving fuckers and we can start getting poo poo done.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

€5 its renamed to Coca-Cola Presents: Notre Dame.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
Notre Daim de Mondelez probably has a bit more synergy to it.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


Hello there fellow European goons. I need your help for a project.

I’d be grateful if you could tell me about the way ballots cast in European elections are counted in your country.

What I’d like to know specifically is whether ballot counting is done in public, if members of the public are allowed to participate in the counting, and if the contents of the ballots are to be read out loud in public.

Thanks for your help!

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

This would also be good to know for us American goons wondering how hosed up our ballot counting is in comparison.
(Nationally anyway. Maine doesn't have issues with that.)

Dawncloack
Nov 26, 2007
ECKS DEE!
Nap Ghost
Hey Flowers

In Spain it's read out loud in front of the members of each electoral unit and representatives of parties. It is open to the public.

At the end, valid ballots are destroyed and only the doubtful ones are kept.

Here's a summary for you to google translate.

https://m.europapress.es/nacional/noticia-hace-escrutinio-recuento-votos-elecciones-20150515101726.html

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Similar for Germany. The people counting them are recruited from the public (a few weeks or months before the election) and get paid for the day of overseeing people voting, then to count them officially. Trying to take any kind of influence whatsoever would obviously be a huge crime. Anyone can apply as long as they are regular citizens and fulfill the most basic requirements, the institution that organizes the election decides (usually the city) who to take, but as they are always in need of people, most people get in.

The counting is done in public and everyone, including those unable to vote, like children, are allowed to observe. They can close entry if it gets too crowded, but can never close up entirely. It gets read out loud for everyone to witness while it's counted, the individual results for that voting chamber is also announced once they have it. People are not allowed to disrupt the process, protest or generally be loud in there and people can be removed from the room with police force if needed. However observers can address problems they see in them counting or file a report if they think fraud happened.
Once done the results are transmitted to next higher up chamber. The room remains open to the public until everything is done and transmitted officially, it then gets published, usually combined alongside the entire town with all detailed results.

Goons Are Gifts fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Apr 17, 2019

Antifa Poltergeist
Jun 3, 2004

"We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"



Yeah its kinda the same in portugal, only we execute a triple count of all ballots (thought they count slightly diferent things each time) and match them against the election book of each voting table. Each table has 3 officials randomly selected from volunteers and usually representatives from each party and the judicial court are present through all 3 counts.any protest and recounts can be raised with the judicial representative and the board of elections officials.in really contested counts,the ballots are sealed and sent to the district court and recounted there, in a open session with a colective of judges.the very rare cases of election fuckery happen on ballot sealing where some boxes are "lost",or in voting precints where theres like a overwhelming majority from one party so that there are very few observers from other parties around to keep everyone honest. Sometimes fudging the Numbers in a voting precinct from 75% to 80% might gain them an edge on municipal elections.usualy everything goes smoothly and the most exciting thing you see are olds confused on who to vote for and actively showing you their ballot, the random drunk guy that really hates party x , and some voting guy who punches other guy whos waiting to vote because hes sleeping with is wife (happened more than once)

Run this through Google translation it should come out fine.

http://www.cne.pt/faq2/109/6

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

This is not really a political question so much as a social one but why is British culture so hosed up?

The littering is what gets to me most. This month I'm staying in a working class neighborhood in a big Scottish city. Behind the neighborhood there's a stream that would have looked nice it if weren't for the shopping carts half submerged in the water every 5 meters. There is trash literally everywhere, of a level you won't see in the worst neighborhoods in the Netherlands, levels of trash in every corner that I didn't even see in Italy during the time when the garbage wouldn't be picked up at all. I walked along the beach today and it was nice but again, the place is just covered in heaps of trash left by groups of young people, who walk around with stereos blasting terrible music. The littering is accompanied by a combination of arrogance and disregard that's really alien to observe. It's not just this neighborhood, it's just everywhere.

There's booking offices everywhere and I don't get how it's not illegal to have this many. Are there no ordinances against that poo poo?

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/how-i-learnt-to-loathe-england This article pretty much sums up how I feel about this place now. I think the author is right in saying that there's a general combatitive element to British culture that we don't have on the mainland, a tendency to turn everything in a zero sum competition. Everything is serious business, you have to defend the bit you are entitled to aggressively or you will lose it, you have to get ahead of others and gently caress them over, there is no such thing as public good. The article is about England but most of the things described apply to Scotland as well, and they only seem to be against Brexit to annoy the English, again, because of this pathological competetiveness.

I really think this country does not belong not only in the EU but in any kind of European community. It's not a European country.

Shibawanko fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Apr 21, 2019

Celexi
Nov 25, 2006

Slava Ukraini!
I am pretty sure the trash you saw dumped is illegal to be dumped, but not that something being illegal makes it stop

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Shibawanko posted:

This is not really a political question so much as a social one but why is British culture so hosed up?

The littering is what gets to me most. This month I'm staying in a working class neighborhood in a big Scottish city. Behind the neighborhood there's a stream that would have looked nice it if weren't for the shopping carts half submerged in the water every 5 meters. There is trash literally everywhere, of a level you won't see in the worst neighborhoods in the Netherlands, levels of trash in every corner that I didn't even see in Italy during the time when the garbage wouldn't be picked up at all. I walked along the beach today and it was nice but again, the place is just covered in heaps of trash left by groups of young people, who walk around with stereos blasting terrible music. The littering is accompanied by a combination of arrogance and disregard that's really alien to observe. It's not just this neighborhood, it's just everywhere.

There's booking offices everywhere and I don't get how it's not illegal to have this many. Are there no ordinances against that poo poo?

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/how-i-learnt-to-loathe-england This article pretty much sums up how I feel about this place now. I think the author is right in saying that there's a general combatitive element to British culture that we don't have on the mainland, a tendency to turn everything in a zero sum competition. Everything is serious business, you have to defend the bit you are entitled to aggressively or you will lose it, you have to get ahead of others and gently caress them over, there is no such thing as public good. The article is about England but most of the things described apply to Scotland as well, and they only seem to be against Brexit to annoy the English, again, because of this pathological competetiveness.

I really think this country does not belong not only in the EU but in any kind of European community. It's not a European country.

I was with you until that last line and then lmao how precious. Oh they are so rough over there :(

Yeah this country is a shithole and a warning against capitalism but 'not european' is some poo poo i'd hear from a racist gammon brexiteer fucker. So it looks like you can agree on something.

Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Apr 21, 2019

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

Regarde Aduck posted:

I was with you until that last line and then lmao how precious. Oh they are so rough over there :(

Yeah this country is a shithole and a warning against capitalism but 'not european' is some poo poo i'd hear from a racist gammon brexiteer fucker. So it looks like you can agree on something.

I work in a large office with staff from all over Europe, including Moldovans, Turks, Russians, Spanish, basically every country. All of them work well together and communicate, except the Brits. I'm not saying they are not European as in "inferior" or something, but there is an aspect to British culture that will always be foreign to me and doesn't seem very bridgeable at all, similar to how I feel about Americans, to which British culture is obviously a lot closer. The combatitive oneupsmanship and machismo outlined in the article comes closest to what I want to describe here. There's different Brits and not everyone is like this, but the mainstream absolutely is.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Lots of eastern europe does littering too, and then there's the illegal toxic dumps in italy and elsewhere.

I dunno Europe's not some super-enlightened place as far as littering goes.

There's definitely a certain competitive streak in the UK culture, but I don't see how that has much to do woth littering.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

Shibawanko posted:

This is not really a political question so much as a social one but why is British culture so hosed up?

The littering is what gets to me most. This month I'm staying in a working class neighborhood in a big Scottish city. Behind the neighborhood there's a stream that would have looked nice it if weren't for the shopping carts half submerged in the water every 5 meters. There is trash literally everywhere, of a level you won't see in the worst neighborhoods in the Netherlands, levels of trash in every corner that I didn't even see in Italy during the time when the garbage wouldn't be picked up at all. I walked along the beach today and it was nice but again, the place is just covered in heaps of trash left by groups of young people, who walk around with stereos blasting terrible music. The littering is accompanied by a combination of arrogance and disregard that's really alien to observe. It's not just this neighborhood, it's just everywhere.

There's booking offices everywhere and I don't get how it's not illegal to have this many. Are there no ordinances against that poo poo?

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/how-i-learnt-to-loathe-england This article pretty much sums up how I feel about this place now. I think the author is right in saying that there's a general combatitive element to British culture that we don't have on the mainland, a tendency to turn everything in a zero sum competition. Everything is serious business, you have to defend the bit you are entitled to aggressively or you will lose it, you have to get ahead of others and gently caress them over, there is no such thing as public good. The article is about England but most of the things described apply to Scotland as well, and they only seem to be against Brexit to annoy the English, again, because of this pathological competetiveness.

I really think this country does not belong not only in the EU but in any kind of European community. It's not a European country.

Keep Anglo untermensch out of our perfect union :o:

E: in all fairness a country that is about to elect a socialist rather than some manner of fascist probably isn't a "culture fit" for the eu

ContinuityNewTimes fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Apr 21, 2019

feller
Jul 5, 2006


If that guy litters more than me then I lose my house so I must litter to keep what’s mine

feller
Jul 5, 2006


Shibawanko posted:

I work in a large office with staff from all over Europe, including Moldovans, Turks, Russians, Spanish, basically every country. All of them work well together and communicate, except the Brits. I'm not saying they are not European as in "inferior" or something, but there is an aspect to British culture that will always be foreign to me and doesn't seem very bridgeable at all, similar to how I feel about Americans, to which British culture is obviously a lot closer. The combatitive oneupsmanship and machismo outlined in the article comes closest to what I want to describe here. There's different Brits and not everyone is like this, but the mainstream absolutely is.

Oh cool you have a black foreign friend then you can’t be xenophobic huh despite you weird tangential rant against the others

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
I mean, speaking as a Brit, I remember Naples being way more buried in rubbish than any city back home when I went there on holiday a few years back. The collapse in public services over the past decade has increased public filth significantly, though.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

Marxist-Jezzinist posted:

Keep Anglo untermensch out of our perfect union :o:

'Tis butt, U.N. iron iCally.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Paris is full of rubbish and smells like piss too.

It's a certain kind of charm but I wouldn't call it clean.

Antifa Poltergeist
Jun 3, 2004

"We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"



Thats all european capitals though.piss and rubish is what unites us

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
Paris doesnt smell of piss, except in the subway

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
Lots of dog turds tho

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Almost all metropolitan European cities on the continent smell like piss in the summer.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
I was in Rome once, was going to sit down on a stone park bench and eat a kebab and I put my hand in a dog turd. What kind of rear end in a top hat has his dog poo poo not just on the ground but on a bench.

Never leaving the finnish forests again.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Post about perfidious Albion was a blast. I never realized how much I missed reading casual racism since it came out of fashion to ramble about the inscrutable Chinamen, the tataric Russian soul or the money loving Jews in ... 1970?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Well known victims of racism, the English

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

Opferwurst posted:

Post about perfidious Albion was a blast. I never realized how much I missed reading casual racism since it came out of fashion to ramble about the inscrutable Chinamen, the tataric Russian soul or the money loving Jews in ... 1970?

It seems you posted the draft of your column to this forum instead of sending them to the editor. I hope it's not too late for you to fix that, otherwise the Daily Mail might have a blank space in tomorrow's edition. :ohdear:

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

MiddleOne posted:

Almost all metropolitan European cities on the continent smell like piss in the summer.

thankfully there's nothing to do during the summer in paris so i've never had to have that experience

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

His Divine Shadow posted:

I was in Rome once, was going to sit down on a stone park bench and eat a kebab and I put my hand in a dog turd. What kind of rear end in a top hat has his dog poo poo not just on the ground but on a bench.

Never leaving the finnish forests again.

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Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
saw a dog turd on a bollard once

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