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Arsenic Lupin posted:Posthumous congratulations to Davepeta^2sprite, indubitably the best Dave. I actually kind of wonder-- the implication is Calliope-Jade kills Caliborne for real offscreen immediately before jumping from Candy to Meat, but since all of that is offscreen we don't actually see what's happened to Davepeta^2sprite beyond "presumably they've arrived in Candy, in some form" I'll admit to being curious if the Candy plotline is continued at all or just left as-is with "we just dumped all these characters into Candy in some form, stuff will happen but you'll never know what and it doesn't matter because it's not canon"
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:I actually kind of wonder-- the implication is Calliope-Jade kills Caliborne for real offscreen immediately before jumping from Candy to Meat, but since all of that is offscreen we don't actually see what's happened to Davepeta^2sprite beyond "presumably they've arrived in Candy, in some form" I thought the implication was that Davepeta kamikaze'd Lord English into the black hole.
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DIRK: Sorry, that’s just how it is. DIRK: You either gotta roll with the woke poo poo, or decide to commit laborious, symbolic, melodramatic suicide in the process of utterly giving up. (meat 29 spoiler) i can't believe that hussie is subjecting us to the long drawn out death of dirk, and in fact this entire epilogue, as a form of internet seppuku to atone for his problematic crimes
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anyways the epilogue is, unfortunately, very good, and the only issues i have (perma-fascist jane, dirk's slide into genuinely loathsome supervillainy) will probably be dealt with by the epilogue epilogue that seems likely to happen Interesting to note, on the meat side, that Dirk doesn't start becoming obviously loathsome and toxic in his commentary until he's consciously revealed himself as the narrator. The battle rap segment in the early parts of the meat path establishes, I think, that Dirk understands the difference between normal heel heat and go-away heat. There's other elements that ring weirdly, too, like Dirk's rapid 180 from ignoring Roxy's gender id to suddenly emphatically supporting it. These are all explainable by Dirk just being a truly toxic rear end in a top hat, but given that the text has evidence to indicate that alt-Calliope is less heroic than she says, it's worth noting that Dirk is also possibly trying to golden path/zero requiem us or something. e: come to think of it (meat and candy side stuff), a recurrent idea on the candy route is that John's choice to stay instead of go isn't responsible for everything bad that has happened, and that to believe that is to deny the agency, depth, and subjectivity of the people around him. That's interesting to square against the meat side idea that Dirk can know people well enough to manipulate them perfectly, and even reach out to deny them narrative agency entirely. There's a tension in how each route views the authority conferred by narrative control. Anyways, it was a cool Detective Pony fanfic. Valentin fucked around with this message at 09:56 on Apr 21, 2019 |
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its weird. i came out of my all-day reading fugue convinced that there was no further epilogue-epilogue to come, even though typing the phrase epilogue-epilogue is incredibly homestuck.
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Scarodactyl posted:I guess it's not that I don't care about homestuck, but I really don't like what it became over time, and it's obvious it will never go back to being the sort of thing I like again. Everything behind spoilers in these posts just sounds insanely awful to me. I guess it's finally time to have a spine and just unfollow the thread. same, pretty much all the poo poo people are discussing sounds just too dumb, even for my tastes. i think im finally done with homestuck and no longer in the ironic "ha ha homestuck is so bad, am i right fellas" way im outtie, cya dopes
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Freak Futanari posted:same, pretty much all the poo poo people are discussing sounds just too dumb, even for my tastes. i think im finally done with homestuck and no longer in the ironic "ha ha homestuck is so bad, am i right fellas" way sucks to suck, epilogue rules
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Apr 21, 2019 10:04
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Saradiart posted:I thought the implication was that Davepeta kamikaze'd Lord English into the black hole. it was a “kamikaze” from the pov of someone who thought going into the black hole was a death sentence instead of a portal to candyland, but they literally just grabbed LE by the scruff of their neck and jumped in so unless LE murked them offscreen, they’re probably in there somewhere Valentin posted:like Dirk's rapid 180 from ignoring Roxy's gender id to suddenly emphatically supporting it. and 180 back into defensive bullshit and either intentional or uncaring misgendering when calliope is calling him out on it later
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Valentin posted:Anyways, it was a cool Detective Pony fanfic. quote:Later, about halfway through the book, rather than see the gag through to the bitter end, Strider began pasting over entire pages of original text with his own completely rewritten version of the story, while keeping all the chapter titles. His revision is a tough, emotionally draining read. But it's cathartic, in all the worst ways possible.
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i read through the whole thing and it was exhausting, but mostly because it took so long. this update was two full length novels. what the gently caress read meat first and then candy, i think they really work in either order but i would probably recommend meat and then candy, just because some events in candy seem to happen after things in meat. there's a little of that going the other way around, but, the majority of "one affects the other" stuff is meat -> candy. it feels like the intended order a ton of real weird poo poo happened in both of these, though. i dont even know what to talk about. where's the epilogue's epilogue
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I really think the tiny part of "our" Dirk left inside the Prince of Hope is what ultimately will lead to his own defeat. It's the part that Dave calle dout as always making others hate him. It's the part that says "Of course I have to be stopped" and "The next time Dave decapitates me it's gonna be final". It's the part that most likely set up Fake Obama to create Davebot. Anyway who else is gonna go Ultimate Self?
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God drat it. That's it exactly. Also, lol 88 chapters. Symbolism. Bobulus fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Apr 21, 2019 |
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Apr 21, 2019 13:39
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I wonder how long they're going to wait before telling us if there will be an Epilogue Epilogue or if the show's over, go home folks.
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Some tweets from the authors make me think this is it.
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Apr 21, 2019 16:29
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I will always find it incredibly weird how homestuck ended up how it did. You can trace exactly how and it's clearly going to from the start but man, that doesn't land for me at all. Sburb is a misery engine lol
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kids and fun
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Bobulus posted:Some tweets from the authors make me think this is it. Wow, that's harsh. The Final (ish) battle, whatever it is, happens offscreen.
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Bobulus posted:Some tweets from the authors make me think this is it.
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It's not explicit in saying 'this is it', but it's saying 'this wasn't some fakeout', so. (click for series of linked tweets) https://twitter.com/cephiedvariable/status/1119980217311875072
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I'm not seeing where she's implying that there won't be anything more. I think she's just talking about what's already out without suggesting anything one way or the other.
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My read of this is that CepheidVariable is (probably) done with this; she's got a novel coming out soon. I don't get any inference that Homestuck is done one way or another. It's Hussie. Who the hell knows. It's an extremely unsatisfying ending because of the loose ends, but he'd certainly do that to us.
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my extremely well informed opinion is that since there was an epilogue-prologue it stands to reason there must necessarily be an epilogue-epilogue
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Arsenic Lupin posted:My read of this is that CepheidVariable is (probably) done with this; she's got a novel coming out soon. I don't get any inference that Homestuck is done one way or another.
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Elephant Parade posted:It sounds like her novel is already finished, given that she's received critic reviews. Again, I think it's too early to say one way or the other.
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I mean. At least the Epilogue answered the question of how Lord English dies? With Jade's corpse possessed by Calliope devouring him like she's EVA01 devouring Zeruel...
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If you want a vision of the future, imagine a spatted Converse stamping on a robot face - forever.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:It's Hussie. Who the hell knows. It's an extremely unsatisfying ending because of the loose ends, but he'd certainly do that to us. Saying “it’s unsatisfying on purpose” seems unnecessary at this point, but I definitely think one reason the epilogue goes as far as it does is to make it easy for people to say “hell no, not my canon.”
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So we swapped one narcissistic reality-warping villain and their off-screen final battle for another one. Hooray. I guess that's probably the point? I am not sure it is a very good point.
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Rand Brittain posted:Saying “it’s unsatisfying on purpose” seems unnecessary at this point, but I definitely think one reason the epilogue goes as far as it does is to make it easy for people to say “hell no, not my canon.” That's CephiedVariable's take. (God, I correct the spelling of that every time, then have to un-correct it.) https://twitter.com/cephiedvariable/status/1119981431462268929
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I haven't read it, but... yeah, I don't think I will. It's not an epilogue, it's Homestuck Act 8: Everything is Terrible Edition, and I really don't feel a need for that. The fact that people are discussing a possible epilogue epilogue just says to me that sure, stuff happens, but this doesn't leave us in a different place with regards to closure. Maybe it's all really good from a meta perspective, but that was never what I liked Homestuck for, and I don't feel like wading through weird misery porn to get the little flecks of dialogue gold that are buried within. Do things at least go okay for Terezi? Her and Karkat are the only characters I really still care about.
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The Lord of Hats posted:Do things at least go okay for Terezi? Her and Karkat are the only characters I really still care about. nope! e. also when i say epilogue-epilogue i mean there will be a part of the epilogue that will be entitled "epilogue" much like there was a part entitled "prologue"
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Arsenic Lupin posted:That's CephiedVariable's take. (God, I correct the spelling of that every time, then have to un-correct it.) That sure is some logic there.
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me, an author: hmmmm what if i write something so polarizing that people will stop observing my works and instead come up with their own ideas you proably think i am talking about that tweet but no! it's rian johnson. expectations SUBVERTED
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To be honest, the concept of Canon is, and has always been, complete bullshit and I hope many will learn that lesson from this.
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The Lord of Hats posted:I haven't read it, but... yeah, I don't think I will. It's not an epilogue, it's Homestuck Act 8: Everything is Terrible Edition, and I really don't feel a need for that. The fact that people are discussing a possible epilogue epilogue just says to me that sure, stuff happens, but this doesn't leave us in a different place with regards to closure. e: I am in a Discord server that is melting the gently caress down. Most of the people in it are Dirk/Jake shippers, so the rage is expected but wow, am I being reminded how bad fandom is.
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The Lord of Hats posted:I haven't read it, but... yeah, I don't think I will. It's not an epilogue, it's Homestuck Act 8: Everything is Terrible Edition, and I really don't feel a need for that. The fact that people are discussing a possible epilogue epilogue just says to me that sure, stuff happens, but this doesn't leave us in a different place with regards to closure.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Exactly. The epilogue closes nothing off. No, things do not go well for Terezi. They don't go well for anybody. dirk/jake was always bad
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In retrospect, this whole thing reminds me of that part in the final Dark Tower novel where Stephen King has an interlude before the epilogue to basically say: "Hey, I gave you a happy ending. Let it go. Be happy with that. You don't need anything else." and then immediately starts to berate the reader for being the type of person who wants to read on and see the true coda.
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I think it fixed the ending while also setting up for more later- production is no longer driven for Hussie reasons, but for Viz Media LLC reasons. A lot of this story is about relevancy, about characters remaining alive in the minds of readers and fans- and that relevancy is essential not only to ideas of canon, but to maintain public interest in an original IP purchased by a company that mostly just translates other peoples' work this was a good read with a poo poo ton of symbolic references to the act of engaging with a text so it's very much my jam- goddamn I've been in this swamp since I started reading Problem Sleuth at 24, now I'm in my late 30s, and the influx of teen fans from 2012 onward or so has made MSPA's tone seem like something more and more not For Me, like I'm an old man hanging out at Chuck E Cheese because they have some really good arcade cabinets seeing the kids age past me in Candy was interesting- grappling with the alienation that comes with your friends coupling up and starting families has been a thing my friend group has been going through for a lil while now, and being able to relate to adults directly, instead of relating to kids in a 'ahhh I remember that' way, is something I didn't know I wanted out of Homestuck of all things, but here it is and it was good. also I really liked the more traditional book format (though if I had to guess, going that way had more to do with making it printable and quicker to produce- but I still liked the result!)
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