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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Shmii Skywalker wasn’t a queen. So you're saying they're X-Men? If Midichlorians are a thing, and it's assumed they can be passed from parent to child, then surely those who possess an abundance of strength in the force (and thus a high Midichlorian count?) will be genetically superior in the use of it and you dont get much more powerful than Anakin whose dad was literally the force. It's clearly a hereditary thing because you dont see Obi Wan saying to Luke "oh your dad was a powerful Jedi but you might not have any powers whatsoever because genes have nothing to do with it", he knows Luke will be a powerful Jedi because his father was one.
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Or Obi-Wan knows he can make Luke a powerful Jedi regardless. Midichlorians are misunderstood by fans just as they were misunderstood by the Jedi.
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Apr 20, 2019 23:24
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Shmii Skywalker wasn’t a queen. The parents of the founder of a royal line are never royalty themselves
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Apr 20, 2019 23:36
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Just Chamber posted:So you're saying they're X-Men? Please don’t leak marvel phase 4 plans
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s.i.r.e. posted:No, I never saw them in the OT until after this. Are they always in the cockpit scenes? I have no clue.  They are't visible at all in most shots of the cockpit because of the angle / framing. The other time you see them is when Chewie is the only one in the cockpit and bumps into them.
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Daddy Thanos posted:The parents of the founder of a royal line are never royalty themselves
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Just Chamber posted:So you're saying they're X-Men? Correct. That’s been the plot of Star Wars since Phantom Menace. It’s a random mutation. The only difference is that the mutants in X-Men start making GBS threads atomic laser beams the moment they hit puberty, while the mutants in Star Wars need tons of extensive training just to pull off rudimentary tricks. The population of the galaxy is full of mutants, across pretty much every species, but the vast majority are never trained - so they go through life with slightly-better-than-average reflexes or whatever. There was never any indication that Yoda and Darth Maul came from special families. Even if they had, they were nothing without the training. Rey was special in TFA because her particular random mutation is so ridiculously powerful that she doesn’t even need training. Her parentage was never important except to fans. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Apr 21, 2019 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:There was never any indication that Yoda and Darth Maul came from special families. Even if they had, they were nothing without the training. The jedi in particular make an active effort to prevent force bloodlines from becoming a thing, with their rules against attachment/marriage.
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I feel like the wizards and witches in Harry Potter are actually a better comparison since: 1) They function similar to the Jedi in that the magic powers are both random and mostly inheritable 2) Like the Jedi, in story terms, the Wizards represent the fantasy that there is forgotten old world magic whereas 3) The X-men and mutants represent the fantasy that there is something unique and magical about your generation and the olds are just scared of it
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Arc Light posted:The jedi in particular make an active effort to prevent force bloodlines from becoming a thing, with their rules against attachment/marriage. The rule is against emotional attachments, not against “force bloodlines”. That’s something you made up. Again, even if Obiwan had 15 kids, those kids would have no real special abilities without training. Also, Obiwan could just... not feel attached to them.
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Whoolighams posted:I had nearly this exact same experience. They finally got to the Falcon when I realized, gently caress, I'm an hour in waiting for this movie to get out of first gear, I'm done. Also the sucking charisma-wound that is Emilia Clarke. Whatever the Exile is in KOTOR2 to the force, she is to cinematic watchability.
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AlternateAccount posted:Also the sucking charisma-wound that is Emilia Clarke. Whatever the Exile is in KOTOR2 to the force, she is to cinematic watchability. It's because she had an aneurysm
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Solo is a movie where no specific moment or performance is cringingly, backbreakingly bad, it’s just a movie that is devoid of redeeming qualities. It’s not lovely per se, it just looks and tastes like dirt.
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The memory of Solo actively attempts to escape your brain at every opportunity, and honestly there's no reason to stop it going
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Apr 21, 2019 06:04
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Solo is pretty good, not the most memorable, but it's at least not the painful, theatrical misery that is Rogue One or TLJ.
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PriorMarcus posted:The reason why Anakin's saber, the dice, the Falcoln and droids like BB8 are being pushed forward in the branding is because they won't age, die, turn out to be a child molester or demand more money like actors will. Whoa Woah buddy don't you know?  Sexist.
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s.i.r.e. posted:Solo is pretty good, not the most memorable, but it's at least not the painful, theatrical misery that is Rogue One or TLJ. Solo is like distilled sadness. I don’t know what you’re on about.
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You ever seen someone order a well done cheeseburger at a nice restaurant? That’s Solo. The cooks made it, and it was probably fairly good! Then the person who ordered it saw that pink, and sent it back to be roasted into a shoe. Solo: The saddest cheeseburger.
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Apr 21, 2019 15:00
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Solo was like a poor man's Guardians of the Galaxy
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Apr 21, 2019 15:12
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I don’t remember any joke in Solo that was funny or any action setpiece that was even a little fun.
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Captain Splendid posted:Solo was like a poor man's Guardians of the Galaxy No, that's Suicide Squad.
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Apr 21, 2019 16:50
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CelticPredator posted:Solo is like distilled sadness. I don’t know what you’re on about. Rogue One is at least beautiful in spots. Solo had like one good shot and it was Lando sitting at a table. edit"  
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CelticPredator posted:You ever seen someone order a well done cheeseburger at a nice restaurant? That’s Solo. The cooks made it, and it was probably fairly good! Then the person who ordered it saw that pink, and sent it back to be roasted into a shoe. 
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CelticPredator posted:You ever seen someone order a well done cheeseburger at a nice restaurant? That’s Solo. The cooks made it, and it was probably fairly good! Then the person who ordered it saw that pink, and sent it back to be roasted into a shoe. i dont think it was ever a good burger. like from the start it was an applebees piece of poo poo salt patty. there just wasnt that much to work with.
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I mean Solo ain't no Caravan of Courage but it's a movie I've sat down and enjoyed a couple of times already on Netflix. Don't take your Star Wars too seriously, nerf herders.
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Apr 21, 2019 20:10
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That's part of the fun tho
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s.i.r.e. posted:Solo is pretty good, not the most memorable, but it's at least not the painful, theatrical misery that is Rogue One or TLJ. Every Disney Star War has suffered massive amounts of studio tinkering, on the level of infamous productions like Suicide Squad - but Rogue One survived with only minor first-act pacing issues, whereas Force Awakens had its protagonist edited out, along with the associated narrative. Solo got hosed worse than any of them; even its plot changes drastically from shot to shot. It’s in no way “pretty good”. That points to massively reduced standards.
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Why would you order a cheeseburger at a nice restaurant, get a steak or a pork chop. Burgers are bar food.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Every Disney Star War has suffered massive amounts of studio tinkering, on the level of infamous productions like Suicide Squad - but Rogue One survived with only minor first-act pacing issues, whereas Force Awakens had its protagonist edited out, along with the associated narrative. Did you get r1/force awakens typed backwards here or am I missing something
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mastershakeman posted:Did you get r1/force awakens typed backwards here or am I missing something Force Awakens was written and filmed with FN-2187 as the protagonist. It was then heavily reshot and edited to make FN into a comic relief character, and then a minor subplot about Leia searching for Luke was made into the main plot of the film. There are a ton of issues that resulted - like multiple things being set up as plot twists despite already being explained in earlier dialogue scenes. Rogue One was reshot mainly to tone down the protagonist’s radicalism, but there are no major issues with the resulting narrative, except that the tank ambush scene was clearly censored to some extent.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It was then heavily reshot No, it loving wasn't, and you need to stop beating this drum of fan-fiction in your head.
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Timby posted:No, it loving wasn't, and you need to stop beating this drum of fan-fiction in your head. Wait he just made that up? Lol. It would have been a better movie with FN as the protagonist tho
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I don't know if the stuff about re-editing Finn is at all accurate, but I am fairly certain that The Force Awakens was at least heavily recut, if not reshot. Like, wasn't there a whole sequence involving a Resistance super-weapon of some kind in the original version? And Maz Kanata originally came along with the Resistance to Takodana, as demonstrated by the lightsaber handover between her and Leia in the second teaser.
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ruddiger posted:Why would you order a cheeseburger at a nice restaurant, get a steak or a pork chop. Burgers are bar food. Change of pace or happy hour type of thing. The greatest burgers I've had have been at 4/5 star restaurants sitting at the bar at happy hour.
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Poe was supposed to die in that crash. Then they rewrote it to keep him going I think is what SMG means.
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cargohills posted:I don't know if the stuff about re-editing Finn is at all accurate, but I am fairly certain that The Force Awakens was at least heavily recut, if not reshot. Like, wasn't there a whole sequence involving a Resistance super-weapon of some kind in the original version? And Maz Kanata originally came along with the Resistance to Takodana, as demonstrated by the lightsaber handover between her and Leia in the second teaser. Yep, and that cut super weapon plot is supposedly where they're sourcing the footage of Leia for episode 9.
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Timby posted:No, it loving wasn't, and you need to stop beating this drum of fan-fiction in your head. It’s actually fairly extensively documented. For example, reshoots were conducted to remove a subplot with a character called Constable Zuvio. The scenes where Zuvio was to appear were merged with a later sequence where Rey first meets FN. There are tons of major continuity errors as a result here, and the characters’ mouths usually don’t match their dialogue. Boyega’s dialogue is frequently just muted. (The reported rationale behind these reshoots is that Boyega didn’t have ‘good chemistry’ with his costar.) That’s just one example.
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Timby posted:No, it loving wasn't, and you need to stop beating this drum of fan-fiction in your head. Hell, the TFA commentary tracks alone have JJ talking about reshoots and changes, even before you get into the obvious things like interviews, BTS stuff and like, things you can tell from watching the films
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It’s actually fairly extensively documented. Can you make a video with all the evidence for this
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CelticPredator posted:You ever seen someone order a well done cheeseburger at a nice restaurant? That’s Solo. The cooks made it, and it was probably fairly good! Then the person who ordered it saw that pink, and sent it back to be roasted into a shoe. RO and TLJ is the Chef popping a squat right on your table and heaving out a huge poo poo right in front of you all over your plate and he doesn't stop for 2 hours. I'll take the sad Cheeseburger.
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