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CelticPredator posted:You ever seen someone order a well done cheeseburger at a nice restaurant? That’s Solo. The cooks made it, and it was probably fairly good! Then the person who ordered it saw that pink, and sent it back to be roasted into a shoe. There's nothing wrong with a well-done cheeseburger
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Daddy Thanos posted:Can you make a video with all the evidence for this You don’t really need a video; Zuvio was cut so late in production that he still got an action-figure and a bunch of other merch. If you recall the scene where Rey beats up two kidnappers, Zuvio (a sheriff of some kind) originally broke up the fight and sent Rey home for the night. Rey would then return to town and meet FN the next afternoon. This means the part where Rey wins and knocks both dudes unconscious was shot almost a year after the part where they try to grab BB.
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Apr 21, 2019 23:24
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Daddy Thanos posted:There's nothing wrong with a well-done cheeseburger Yeah it's really dependent on the cut of meat, a well done hamburger is fine and can be quite good. Now someone that goes out to a fancy steak house and orders their cuts of meat well done...  But you know what, even those people have a place because you gotta have something to do with the lovely cuts of meat, and guess who gets those? I think I got totally lost with this analogy though.
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Apr 21, 2019 23:28
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s.i.r.e. posted:RO and TLJ is the Chef popping a squat right on your table and heaving out a huge poo poo right in front of you all over your plate and he doesn't stop for 2 hours. Sincerely curious, what do you actually enjoy in Solo? I think 80% of Rogue One is deadly boring, but there’s at least some striking shots. In can’t think of one aspect of Solo that’s done well.
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Apr 21, 2019 23:30
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Zuvio was cut so late in production that he still got an action-figure and a bunch of other merch. I read somewhere that this caused a deal of animosity between the stores and Disney. They were given all these Constable Zuvio action figures and told he would be important, only for him to be cut from the film. So they ended up with piles of unsellable Constable Zuvios. I actually remember seeing a peg full of him at a Target or Wal-Mart or somewhere and going "Who the hell is this guy?"
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Apr 21, 2019 23:54
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I wonder if that doesn't partially account for the underproduction of Rey figures as well, if she originally had a smaller part.
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s.i.r.e. posted:RO and TLJ is the Chef popping a squat right on your table and heaving out a huge poo poo right in front of you all over your plate and he doesn't stop for 2 hours. "huge poo poo in front of you" 
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Apr 22, 2019 00:45
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The final battle in Rogue One makes up for the plodding pace set earlier. Prob one of the best battles in the series. Solo has none of that and is a slog.
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Schwarzwald posted:I wonder if that doesn't partially account for the underproduction of Rey figures as well, if she originally had a smaller part. Rey didn’t necessarily have a smaller part. It’s just that FN was the protagonist until someone at Disney evidently really hated his performance. I’ve counted at least a dozen instances where Boyega’s dialogue was altered or muted in just the first act of the film. Like, when FN gets knocked over by the giant pig? He says something to the pig, but it’s muted. When he wakes up after the tie fighter crash? He says something, but it’s muted. Rey knocks him on the ground? Same thing. Basically a ton of instances of FN getting angry and ‘talking back’ were removed to make him into more of a passive character. But anyway, this is moving away from the point that Solo is much worse than this. The main thing they did was attempt to turn a comedy into an uplifting drama by removing the punchlines. Like, they’ll have these elaborate setups and then the scene just cuts away. The editing is awful. There are scenes that simply don’t belong in the movie at all, and are included because that was simply all they had to bridge two plot points. Why does L3 piss on a fence?
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Apr 22, 2019 01:07
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Vintersorg posted:The final battle in Rogue One makes up for the plodding pace set earlier. Prob one of the best battles in the series. The heroes dying to Vader sequence is literally the best shot sequence in Star Wars. There's no way you can look at that and not recognize the value in the movie unless you're cinematically blind. Solo...does...not have that. TLJ has some decent stuff, but it's mostly referenced off of other things:  Solo...eh....
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I just sat here for a few minutes thinking of something I did like about Solo. All I could think of was the period where he joins the Empire and is on that planet where he meets Woody and Chewbacca. I wanted to see more of his time in the Empire because that was the only thing interesting about the film. I also would have liked to have seen the first version of the film before Ron Howard took over. Was it really that bad? Or did the executives just not understand what Phil Lord and Chris Miller were doing and we could have potentially had the best new Star Wars film?
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Apr 22, 2019 01:24
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If I remember right, someone (Kasdan?) was upset because he felt they weren't respecting the Han Solo character.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:If I remember right, someone (Kasdan?) was upset because he felt they weren't respecting the Han Solo character. Sounds like they were on the right track then. The Han we meet in ANH is a total doofus drug smuggler who was very obviously lying to Obi Wan to the degree that Obi was rolling his eyes
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:If I remember right, someone (Kasdan?) was upset because he felt they weren't respecting the Han Solo character. The train heist might have been fun had it been given adequate setup explaining what they were trying to accomplish and how they were planning on doing it. As it is, there’s no real drama when things go wrong because there’s little understanding how they expected it to go right to begin with.
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The problem with Solo is that generally, it's competently made with "competent" performances, but the entire plot was generated by a first generation scriptwriting algorithm.
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cargohills posted:And Maz Kanata... *rubs chin thoughtfully* Yes, a small alien. And her eyes... look like giant sphincters. Sphincters, sir? Yes. And put big magnifying glasses on the sphincters.
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Apr 22, 2019 03:26
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I like to imagine maz kanata was some exec's pet project. "She'll be like yoda, of this trilogy. Except she'll be better" This also explains her random murder of workers
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Darko posted:The heroes dying to Vader sequence is literally the best shot sequence in Star Wars. There's no way you can look at that and not recognize the value in the movie unless you're cinematically blind. Solo...does...not have that. This fight scene in TLJ was the worst part of the film in a film full of terrible sequences.
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Apr 22, 2019 03:42
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Make her yoda...but like for the woke generation. Get the girl from the slave movie to voice her
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:You don’t really need a video; Zuvio was cut so late in production that he still got an action-figure and a bunch of other merch. I mean the parts where Finn's dubbed over or muted
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:If I remember right, someone (Kasdan?) was upset because he felt they weren't respecting the Han Solo character. Not respecting the Han Solo character enough? Have they seen the OT?
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*Watches Han Solo misunderstand the Force, wade through garbage, accidentally fly into a worm's mouth, get captured and turned into a wall decoration, stumble around blind and sweaty, and get captured again by teddy bears and fruitlessly blow on the fire cooking him* this character must be treated with dignity
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I said come in! posted:This fight scene in TLJ was the worst part of the film in a film full of terrible sequences. The best part is one of the guards having a clear kill-shot at Rey's back due to some coreography screw-up (happens all the time, whatever) and intentionally whiffing, then nobody calling CUT! and setting up another take. For like, a billion dollar international company with seemingly unlimited resources.
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Solo feels like a movie written and directed by people who are terrified of making something people might make fun of or make memes about.
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Taintrunner posted:The best part is one of the guards having a clear kill-shot at Rey's back due to some coreography screw-up (happens all the time, whatever) and intentionally whiffing, then nobody calling CUT! and setting up another take. For like, a billion dollar international company with seemingly unlimited resources. This is the biggest stand out in what is a pretty poorly coreographed fight sequence. It was super obvious and so lazy.
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Taintrunner posted:The best part is one of the guards having a clear kill-shot at Rey's back due to some coreography screw-up (happens all the time, whatever) and intentionally whiffing, then nobody calling CUT! and setting up another take. For like, a billion dollar international company with seemingly unlimited resources. I don't know, pretty much every movie of that scale has similar things.
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Yeah it's not that they don't have the resources, they just don't consider it art or personal and so don't give a single poo poo
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Taintrunner posted:The best part is one of the guards having a clear kill-shot at Rey's back due to some coreography screw-up (happens all the time, whatever) and intentionally whiffing, then nobody calling CUT! and setting up another take. For like, a billion dollar international company with seemingly unlimited resources. The best part is actually the bit with the guard with two knives. Like, let's count the ways... 1. The knife is edited out as it vanishes behind Rey's back. Now you see it, now you don't. 2. Yet, the next second of the sequence, the guard still makes a stabbing motion into her back. 3. And Rey is still driven to her knees and opens her mouth as if crying out in pain. 4. But there's no knife, so it looks like he just kind of hovers his fist by her back and she takes a dive. Alternatively, the guard who swings at Kylo's saber before Kylo does that fancy ground slam impale to intercept it - meaning the guard was just whiffing his shot in the air but Kylo made him feel better about it. 
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i can't believe the studio funding thisquote:"They're like, 'Well, you're fighting this person.' 'What does he look like?' 'Well, we can't tell you because if we tell you, you'll know who it is.' 'Yeah, but what does he sound like?' 'We can't tell you that, because that would give away who he is.' I'm trying to act with a tennis ball and I don't know what the person looks like." would skimp on fight choreography
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No Mods No Masters posted:This also explains her random murder of workers I've seen you post about this several times, and it's so weird. The film doesn't say which side of the "union dispute" shes even on. She could be in the union.
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General Dog posted:Sincerely curious, what do you actually enjoy in Solo? I think 80% of Rogue One is deadly boring, but there’s at least some striking shots. In can’t think of one aspect of Solo that’s done well. It tried at being adventurous, the characters weren't deadpan serious and were a little more lively. I can't tell you what the story is or the names of most of the characters but the characters are likeable enough to keep watching the bullshit they get themselves into. No force powers throwing poo poo around, no light sabre battles, over the top space battles, no conflict of the Rebels and Empire, it drifts away from all that and I can appreciate that. RO, not so much, not a single likeable character in a really stupid story no one cared to ever know and the tone of Saving Private Ryan without the weight of said film. My favorite part of RO is when they try adding some emotion into film by having Forrest Whitaker die even though you have no emotional connection with him and he's not making any sacrifice by dying with the planet, it's so beautifully stupid I can't help but laugh. TLJ... well, yeesh. Darko posted:"huge poo poo in front of you" Cool video game.
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s.i.r.e. posted:Cool video game. Having played through the original Rogue Squadrons last week it's funny how much better they are at filling out the universe than the Disney Wars. It's like, hey, go escort these supplies through this valley, go gently caress up this factory, go steal the Imperial Shuttle they need for Return of the Jedi. It's the sort of day to day Rebellion activities that make it feel more real and don't gently caress with the core themes of the Original Trilogy than the Sad Dad bullshit of Rogue One.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:I've seen you post about this several times, and it's so weird. The film doesn't say which side of the "union dispute" shes even on. She could be in the union. that doesn't make any sense given that she's the boss of that space bar what, did she try to bring in a union and her employees tried to kill her because of it? come on
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:I've seen you post about this several times, and it's so weird. The film doesn't say which side of the "union dispute" shes even on. She could be in the union. She’s management
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:I've seen you post about this several times, and it's so weird. The film doesn't say which side of the "union dispute" shes even on. She could be in the union. As mentioned above, all the context available seems to me to point to her being on the side opposing the workers. You can appeal to EU materials if you really feel you have to, but in the movie-only context it seems pretty clear. If you take issue with me taking an issue with it, consider that they could have just not had such an ugly lovely line in there in the first place, and I would have been perfectly happy to focus on the many other issues with the garbage character
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like most of the humor in TLJ it's merely a thoughtless joke, where by conflating the mundane (a union dispute) with the exceptional (a laser battle that involves a jetpack) the movie seeks to elicit laughter from the audience due to the absurdity of the two images being combined. they probably didn't even think about the ideological implications of the words "union dispute" and a marginally improved joke from the second draft would have been "monday at the office" it's really not worth thinking about beyond its status as yet another instance of the sort of sloppy humor that's all over that movie Bonaventure fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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Taintrunner posted:The best part is one of the guards having a clear kill-shot at Rey's back due to some coreography screw-up (happens all the time, whatever) and intentionally whiffing, then nobody calling CUT! and setting up another take. For like, a billion dollar international company with seemingly unlimited resources. That may be something people notice on repeated viewings, but anyone involved with producing the shitshow that was TLJ had to know that repeated viewings would be rare, so why waste time on extra takes?
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Bonaventure posted:like most of the humor in TLJ it's merely a thoughtless joke, whereby conflating the mundane (a union dispute) with the exceptional (a laser battle that involves a jetpack) elicits laughter from the audience due to the absurdity of the two images being combined. they probably didn't even think about the ideological implications of the words "union dispute" and a marginally improved joke from the second draft would have been "monday at the office" I don't think you can call that particular element sloppy* when it's so prevalent and consistent. From Finn's imprisonment in a Darth Vader life support suit that he easily (if clumsily) shakes off, to Maz's preposterous union dispute, to the force as a tool to lift rocks, to the Star Destroyers as laundromat irons, to the good guys and bad guys buying their guns from the same merchants -- the conflation of the mundane with the exceptional ain't only an absurd joke, it's the entire point. Or rather, the point is that this applies equally in the opposite direction. It's not that a mundane union dispute is being conflated with an exceptional laser battle, it's that the exceptional life-or-death epic space fleet engagement between the Evil First Order and the Good Resistance is in reality a mundane power struggle between competing royals. Neither one is actually interested in effecting change (free the space horses!) and anyone who's not shoulder deep in their ideology recognizes it. Don't join. * not to say that the film isn't sloppy Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:that doesn't make any sense given that she's the boss of that space bar Her space bar got blown up. She ain't managing that any more. Edit: I concede it's a bad line, but I'd take issue with the writing so much as the character. It's a poor line in a rushed cameo. TheBigBudgetSequel fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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