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Dareon posted:This will end one of two ways: Tears, or semen. Why not both?
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Dark_Swordmaster posted:I intentionally made a bad thing so people would hate it they ended up hating it! There's precedence for this: https://kotaku.com/sex-game-cancelled-after-taking-in-five-figures-a-month-1783682938 Gamers are horny.
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rodbeard posted:Still looks better than ME Andromeda That’s a subterranean bar, man.
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Discendo Vox posted:I <3 that use of "triggered". Thank you for sharing. Turns out New Sincerity games are great and a seething hatred of postmodernism is incompatible with New Sincerity. Turns out this guy had two people in his head, a New Sincerity true believer and a regressive chud, and when the lightest wind blew through, only one of the two was left.
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Apr 23, 2019 08:10
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You gotta love the narcissism of "if everybody hates my work then I guess THE ENTIRE MEDIUM IS IRRELEVANT". Goddamn
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Apr 23, 2019 11:02
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If you can't change yourself, change the world. If you can't change the world, gently caress changing.
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Somfin posted:Turns out New Sincerity games are great and a seething hatred of postmodernism is incompatible with New Sincerity. Is there literally anything associated with New Sincerity that isn't completely insufferable and bizarrely on-point hipster stereotypes?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Is there literally anything associated with New Sincerity that isn't completely insufferable and bizarrely on-point hipster stereotypes? Not out loud. New Sincerity works are massively undercut by explicit self-awareness like that. Implicit self-awareness, on the other hand, is solid gold; a good New Sincerity work knows not to, for example, waste your goddamned time even if that's a genre staple. Undertale was pretty solidly New Sincerity. I'd put Super Mario Odyssey there too. YIIK is basically impossible to place in that category because it has nothing but disdain for its setting, mechanics, players and characters. The only thing it seems to enjoy is the sound of its own narrator's voice.
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Somfin posted:Not out loud. New Sincerity works are massively undercut by explicit self-awareness like that. Implicit self-awareness, on the other hand, is solid gold; a good New Sincerity work knows not to, for example, waste your goddamned time even if that's a genre staple. ...so the main examples of New Sincerity are things which were made either before the term was a thing or likely in complete ignorance of it?
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I mean that's how terms like that get invented. You see some things that follow a pattern and you wanna have a name for that pattern so you name it
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Apr 23, 2019 13:35
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new sincerity has been a term since like, the 90's?
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Apr 23, 2019 13:56
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What the gently caress even is it?
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Apr 23, 2019 14:27
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Or maybe the game just had poo poo writing, the writer is a pretentious idiot and New Sincerity is a label that has nothing to do with either of those facts.
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Dark_Swordmaster posted:What the gently caress even is it? New Sincerity is saying you like anime instead of scrambling to dunk on it in case goons think of you badly
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Apr 23, 2019 14:33
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So it's actually liking things? How the gently caress is this a Thing? Isn't that just liking things?
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Apr 23, 2019 14:52
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The terminally online have to invent a new term to define 'not being irony poisoned about everything all the time', which I'm pretty sure actually just means have absolutely no shame or humility even by terminally online standards. Though that just might be coincidental given the kind of people who desperately cling to a new buzzword that they'd have no idea what it means even if it had a meaning in the first place. Like Super Mario Odyssey is just Nintendo doing what they've always been doing, making some gameplay innovations while mostly keeping what works and celebrating their history along with their fans, and Undertale is a game that takes apart many of the concepts and assumptions of RPGs (which I thought would easily fall into postmodernism in that it acknowledges, examines and subverts pre-existing assumptions and experiences its audience is assumed to have, as well as its heavy use of parody and mockery of pop culture, especially that which much of its target audience is assumed to like) while also having its own story to tell.
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Yeah, I don't really get it either. I guess it's saying you like something even if it's generally seen as societally shameful, going by that anime example?
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Somfin posted:Turns out New Sincerity games are great and a seething hatred of postmodernism is incompatible with New Sincerity. New Sincerity is a philosophical dead end that celebrates the abandonment of criticism but also is itself a postmodern philosophy, hope this helps
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Which just backs up my theory that it really means 'having absolutely no self-awareness'.
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Apr 23, 2019 15:11
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Dorks made up a name for the thing they were already doing, i.e. picking some genre or whatever, blindly supporting and replicating it, defending it from all criticism regardless of merit, and crowing that the lovely bits are what make it good. Why is your game a boring grindfest? Because we've grown past hating on games for being boring grindfests.
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Apr 23, 2019 15:18
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Dark_Swordmaster posted:So it's actually liking things? How the gently caress is this a Thing? Isn't that just liking things? because liking things isn't/wasn't "cool" so everyone had to stop liking things, so now that people are liking things genuinely again it's "new". except like i said it's been a point of view going back to at least the 90's if not before so "new" is kind of a misnomer at this point. basically it's the whole positivity versus cynicism argument, eternally retold
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And just to take things full circle I'm pretty sure this ends up with the new sincerity dorks putting a lot of aggressive effort into performatively liking things so they maintain cred Oh no I've gone cross eyed
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There's a difference between being sincere about your opinions and liking everything.
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Apr 23, 2019 15:36
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What if I sincerely dislike something?
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I don't know, I kind of view being totally earnest in everything you like and do is better than lying to maintain or improve your social status. On the other hand, sometimes it backfires and you make a game that reveals that you're an emotionally-stunted Turd Man and nobody buys it and you cry so 
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whoops posted this in the wrong threadCowcaster posted:just imagine this comic, cycling back and forth unto infinity
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I like how like four people jumped out of the woodwork to be like "sincerity? it's this bullshit thing when people apply no critical thought and feel no shame whatsoever about their trash opinions  "
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weird internet nerds are often way too insincere/irony-clad and love to tear things down, especially when those things seem even remotely aimed at women, but on the other hand liking something isnt a moral statement. its possible to engage with something sincerely and with optimism while still having criticism and a healthy amount of reflective thought, which is something i've never really seen from internet-type New Sincerity/'hopepunk.'
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quote:its possible to engage with something sincerely and with optimism while still having criticism and a healthy amount of reflective thought, which is something i've never really seen from internet-type New Sincerity/'hopepunk.' Not surprising, considering everything political pushes itself to an extreme, especially so on the internet where all criticism is necessarily always from misanthropic basement dwelling nerds and always done in bad faith and all hopeful optimism is always done by sheeple without any critical thinking and must therefore always be without any merit at all. CrazyLoon fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Apr 23, 2019 |
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CrazyLoon posted:Or it could just be people pushing everything to an extreme on the internet skews everyone's perspectives about how all criticism is necessarily always from misanthropic basement dwelling nerds and always done in bad faith and all hopeful optimism is always done by sheeple without any critical thinking and must therefore always be without any merit at all. i mean, yea
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END ME SCOOB posted:Also, said podcast is chud-aligned, so he's just doubling down rather than trying to learn anything. It seems... Familiar somehow! Almost like life imitating a thing that can't be art at all. He also put the host of that podcast in the game https://twitter.com/fZ60ylsVQkZMyRu/status/1106287202584195072  And that Twitter account is one created by the devs in an attempt to give hints about how to find the mythical third ending that he either made WAY too obscure for everyone to find or is lying about actually being in the game. Most recently he got drunk and dropped some hints in the Yiik Discord ("You have to name your save after a princess that gamers in all dimensions cherish" ????) but it's still so opaque that the fans are pretty much just resigned to waiting for the next patch that will make it even EASIER to find.
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Endorph posted:'hopepunk.' gently caress these people.
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Oh god please tell me "hopepunk" isn't an actual thing people say. Un-ironically declaring you love DBZ and posting cat memes is all well and good but don't do that. Please.
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Be a rebel! Play/watch and never shut up about stuff that's popular!
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Nah, this poo poo right here is hopepunk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPA2dF1T7kE&t=1330s At least I hope that's what hopepunk is and not what I think it is, which is a bunch of loving morons wanting a pat on the back for unironically liking Never Gonna Give You Up.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Oh god please tell me "hopepunk" isn't an actual thing people say. Un-ironically declaring you love DBZ and posting cat memes is all well and good but don't do that. Please. Yeah I may actually die inside if we start saying this for real
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Hopepunk seems tautological. Like the very essence of *-punk is that there's a core of rebels fighting against the Man to give people hope down here in the bottom of this Pandora's Box. If your punk prefix is hope, it just feels like you're smoldering with generic rebellion.
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Dareon posted:Hopepunk seems tautological. Like the very essence of *-punk is that there's a core of rebels fighting against the Man to give people hope down here in the bottom of this Pandora's Box. If your punk prefix is hope, it just feels like you're smoldering with generic rebellion. Not always, in Steampunk you're the Man, with steam magitech and gears/cogs on everything.
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I won't argue about hopepunk but punk is over 4 decades old at this point so of course as with everything in culture things evolved way beyond or even contrary to a movement's original meaning in countless directions many of which are legitimate and meaningful in their own right. This is not surprising or new.
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