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zoux posted:Not if she's driving So how bad is that I'm thinking this is like discovering a better oxidizer than oxygen?
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Nebakenezzer posted:So how bad is that https://mcwell.nd.edu/your-well-being/physical-well-being/alcohol/blood-alcohol-concentration/ HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Apr 24, 2019 |
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zoux posted:She should at least be incapable of operating a motor vehicle. Like physically unable.
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zoux posted:And yet she's out there killing Nazis, she'd win the Hero of the Soviet Union if it was 43
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Basically a really weird superhero origin story
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HEY GUNS posted:this is kentucky. i see it more as american heroism than russian. banjos are playing in my brain as i look at her mugshot The BAC makes it Russian
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zoux posted:The BAC makes it Russian not if it was bourbon
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zoux posted:The BAC makes it Russian Yeah I was fighting myself to not make a Soviet Army joke.
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Kind of a loose historical question, but I'm wondering if anyone has good recommendations for shows/movies/books that do a good job of capturing the mindset of historical people, rather than having very "modern" characters. I've seen Rome numerous times, and thought that did a great job, the Witch is the best movie of the last decade, and I also watched Borgia (NOT The Borgias) but I'm wondering if there are any other pieces of media that really get into the mindset of the people they depict. Any era or place is rad.
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FishFood posted:Borgia (NOT The Borgias) Which was the one with the gay cop chief from The Wire? I thought both were p.deece? 
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FishFood posted:Kind of a loose historical question, but I'm wondering if anyone has good recommendations for shows/movies/books that do a good job of capturing the mindset of historical people, rather than having very "modern" characters. Master and Commander is one of the better examples of this. All the characters are very much in-period with their attitudes and beliefs. It's also 20 great books you'll read straight through.
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Schadenboner posted:Which was the one with the gay cop chief from The Wire? Here's a article by a University of Chicago history professor about how they differ. Basically she says The Borgias is the more approachable and glossy version where you're shocked the pope is taking bribes, while Borgia: Faith and Fear is the more complex one where the characters get upset not about murdering somebody, but because they murdered somebody dishonorably. https://www.exurbe.com/the-borgias-vs-borgia-faith-and-fear/ quote:In a real historical piece, if they tried to make everything slavishly right any show would be unwatchable, because there would be too much that the audience couldn’t understand. The audience would be constantly distracted by details like un-filmably dark building interiors, ugly missing teeth, infants being given broken-winged songbirds as disposable toys to play with, crush, and throw away, and Marie Antoinette relieving herself on the floor at Versailles.
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Also which is the one with the  husband and the man-who-would-be-pope getting his balls felt?
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Nebakenezzer posted:So how bad is that That's at "holy poo poo you need to go to the hospital right now, your blood might also be flammable" levels of drunk. FishFood posted:Kind of a loose historical question, but I'm wondering if anyone has good recommendations for shows/movies/books that do a good job of capturing the mindset of historical people, rather than having very "modern" characters. I like Zulu though I know it shows it's age in a lot of ways. Also I'm a fan of Romance of the Three Kingdoms, to get into the mindset of what 15th Century Chinese thought of 3rd century Chinese, though it isn't historically accurate at all (for example, I'm pretty sure Guan Yu was not the leading cause of death among Chinese soldiers) and the characters are acting "modern", it's just modern in this case is still really old relative to us. A teacher I had described it as believable situations but not necessarily accurate, and I'm inclined to agree. I'd argue that you should pick an adaptation for Three Kingdoms, the book is suuuuuuuper dense and has tons of characters that kind of blend into each other. I recommend the 2011 (I think? It was a recent one) series just to see Cao Cao hamming it the gently caress up.
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C.M. Kruger posted:In a real historical piece, if they tried to make everything slavishly right any show would be unwatchable, because there would be too much that the audience couldn’t understand.
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C.M. Kruger posted:Here's a article by a University of Chicago history professor about how they differ. Basically she says The Borgias is the more approachable and glossy version where you're shocked the pope is taking bribes, while Borgia: Faith and Fear is the more complex one where the characters get upset not about murdering somebody, but because they murdered somebody dishonorably. Faith and Fear also adds a bunch of extremely dubious poo poo which is essentially sourced from medieval tabloids
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Schadenboner posted:Which was the one with the gay cop chief from The Wire? Borgia, and that's the one I watched. I hadn't even heard of it and stumbled on this article (it may have been posted here) and had to watch it. Haven't seen the Showtime one.
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Don Gato posted:That's at "holy poo poo you need to go to the hospital right now, your blood might also be flammable" levels of drunk. Three Kingdoms is worth reading if you have the patience for it. And while I know it sounds ridiculous, keeping the characters straight is a lot easier if you've played any of the video game series based on it. Some of the Dynasty Warriors games even have a very thorough encyclopedia of the book in them.
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Also the Vanport flood. https://www.historylink.org/File/10473 Army engineers didn't blow up the dikes there either, but they did take significant steps to prevent the mostly black residents from evacuating while there was still time to do so and likely would have if left to their own devices.
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FishFood posted:Kind of a loose historical question, but I'm wondering if anyone has good recommendations for shows/movies/books that do a good job of capturing the mindset of historical people, rather than having very "modern" characters. The original Upstairs, Downstairs TV series let its characters be pretty human. Season 4 is completely dedicated to World War I. Vera Brittain's Testament of Youth is good in book form, the movie adaptation is much more muddled. I suppose diaries could be useful, too: Robert Graves' Good-Bye to All That, Harold MacMillan's diaries are available, Alan Lascelles' diaries are dry, but cover in detail Edward VIII and World War II.
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FishFood posted:Kind of a loose historical question, but I'm wondering if anyone has good recommendations for shows/movies/books that do a good job of capturing the mindset of historical people, rather than having very "modern" characters. I thought the History channel Vikings series seemed to do a pretty good job of capturing historical mindset, although caveat I don't actually know anything about the Vikings so maybe it's all wrong. In particular I noticed the show handles religion really well, one thing it doesn't do is just depict Norse paganism as a palette swapped Christianity. It also includes lots of consensual cuckoldry? Which was funny and I assume was taken from descriptions by scandalized missionaries. Cross-culturally though its not completely unheard of for there to be certain circumstances in which it is socially acceptable for women to have extra-marital sexual relations, so it at least seemed historically plausible. I also watched a Korean series recently called Kingdom, set in the Joseon period not long after the Japanese invasion was defeated. I'm not sure it really gives a great picture at historical mindset, however thematically it clearly strongly playing to certain Confucian tropes regarding the relationship of the King to to realm. The King turned into a zombie and is infecting the rest of Korea
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Squalid posted:lots of consensual cuckoldry? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicisbeo
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Squalid posted:I also watched a Korean series recently called Kingdom, set in the Joseon period not long after the Japanese invasion was defeated. I'm not sure it really gives a great picture at historical mindset, however thematically it clearly strongly playing to certain Confucian tropes regarding the relationship of the King to to realm. The King turned into a zombie and is infecting the rest of Korea Oh man that reminds me that I was watching a Japanese show about Saigo Takamori's life that was a really cool look into life during post-Boshin War Japan, but I can't remember the name of it for the life of me. I totally didn't just watch it because I dig those Meiji-era suits. No crazy supernatural stuff, just politicking and a constant theme of modernization as represented by the West and stability as represented by the old ways.
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FishFood posted:Kind of a loose historical question, but I'm wondering if anyone has good recommendations for shows/movies/books that do a good job of capturing the mindset of historical people, rather than having very "modern" characters. That's a pretty wide ranging question. The Flashman novel series by George MacDonald Fraser probably qualifies, though.
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Don Gato posted:Oh man that reminds me that I was watching a Japanese show about Saigo Takamori's life that was a really cool look into life during post-Boshin War Japan, but I can't remember the name of it for the life of me. I totally didn't just watch it because I dig those Meiji-era suits. No crazy supernatural stuff, just politicking and a constant theme of modernization as represented by the West and stability as represented by the old ways. Tell us if you remember, historical drama like that is my jam.
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FishFood posted:Kind of a loose historical question, but I'm wondering if anyone has good recommendations for shows/movies/books that do a good job of capturing the mindset of historical people, rather than having very "modern" characters. I think "Gettysburg" does a great job of this. The characters are archetypes of course, and the dialogue reflects that, but as archetypes they're pretty accurate to the period.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Gustavus Adolphus has a popular metal album inspired by him. What does Wallenstein have? Some nerds in archives? Advantage Wallenstein
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As long as we're talking historical TV shows, how does Rebellion stack up? It's about the Easter Rising of 1916, and it seems accurate to my inexperienced eyes: IRA takes over a few parts of Dublin but it's a total clusterfuck without popular support and they're crushed relatively fast, but the British execution of the rising's leaders (and also a bunch of random dudes who were arbitrarily called leaders) brought public sentiment to the Republican side.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:As long as we're talking historical TV shows, how does Rebellion stack up? It's about the Easter Rising of 1916, and it seems accurate to my inexperienced eyes: IRA takes over a few parts of Dublin but it's a total clusterfuck without popular support and they're crushed relatively fast, but the British execution of the rising's leaders (and also a bunch of random dudes who were arbitrarily called leaders) brought public sentiment to the Republican side. Well, as a nitpick, the IRA wasn't involved seeing as it didn't exist yet.
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Oh poo poo yeah, it was the ICA wasn't it?
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Oh poo poo yeah, it was the ICA wasn't it? Irish Republican Brotherhood or the Irish Volunteer Army. ICA was involved too.
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Don Gato posted:Oh man that reminds me that I was watching a Japanese show about Saigo Takamori's life that was a really cool look into life during post-Boshin War Japan, but I can't remember the name of it for the life of me. I totally didn't just watch it because I dig those Meiji-era suits. No crazy supernatural stuff, just politicking and a constant theme of modernization as represented by the West and stability as represented by the old ways. SeanBeansShako posted:Tell us if you remember, historical drama like that is my jam. Might have been last year's NHK Taiga Drama, Segodon.
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FishFood posted:Kind of a loose historical question, but I'm wondering if anyone has good recommendations for shows/movies/books that do a good job of capturing the mindset of historical people, rather than having very "modern" characters, L O U I S B A R T H A S quote:Sub-lieutenant Malvezy was, before the war, a simple employee of the Aude departmental tramways. He hadn’t earned his stripes by some gallant battlefield exploit, destined to be inscribed in the history books. No, he had earned them in the Narbonne garrison. To fill up vacancies, they had promoted to officers some sergeants from older conscript classes who were growing stale in the garrison. They didn’t want to promote the ones who were at the front, because they were too friendly with the enlisted men. They were afraid that these non-coms wouldn’t have enough authority over the men when they had to send them to their slaughter. Bye, Felicia.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Oh poo poo yeah, it was the ICA wasn't it? Irish ladies are just that hardcore 
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Arbite posted:Might have been last year's NHK Taiga Drama, Segodon. Nice, thanks for the help!
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C.M. Kruger posted:Here's a article by a University of Chicago history professor about how they differ. Basically she says The Borgias is the more approachable and glossy version where you're shocked the pope is taking bribes, while Borgia: Faith and Fear is the more complex one where the characters get upset not about murdering somebody, but because they murdered somebody dishonorably. quote:The audience would be constantly distracted by details like un-filmably dark building interiors, ugly missing teeth, infants being given broken-winged songbirds as disposable toys to play with, crush, and throw away, and Marie Antoinette relieving herself on the floor at Versailles. Despite its hundreds of bathrooms, one of Versailles’ marks of luxury was that the staff removed human feces from the hallways regularly, sometimes as often as twice a day, and always more than once a week. I know times and idea of hygiene is different but  
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Fish of hemp posted:I know times and idea of hygiene is different but Yeah, a realistic time traveler would be constantly grossed out by everyone's hygiene Or just read Shogun and see how the Japanese (with AFAIK modern concepts of hygiene) were disgusted by Europeans
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