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AceRimmer posted:Had anyone tried John Tiller's naval games? I'm morbidly curious. I did, many years ago, and my general opinion is that they're very rough, bordering on bad: the main strike against them is that the damage system is way too coarse: a ship takes a hit, and its health goes down a little, and it'll slow down a little, or something it'll be a critical hit and the whole ship just explodes instantly. and then then gunnery is pretty much completely AI-driven, but then torpedoes have to be aimed and shot manually movement is also micromanagement-heavy because there's no way to set waypoints - you can set a course and you can set a speed, but there's no way to tell a ship to start turning once it gets to this particular point on the map the one good thing about it is that flotillas/squadrons/fleets are linked together, so you only need to issue orders to the lead ships of a formation, and that combined with the gunnery automation does make it play at a fairly high level, which would be required if you're doing something like the full Jutland, but when I tried to do an LP of it way back when there just wasn't enough feedback in the game to really explain to an audience what was going on, and that reflects back to the player as well
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Thalantos posted:Thats p much my strategy when I play already My issue is that the ai pushes my poo poo in with tanks despite putting at guns everywhere
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AceRimmer posted:Had anyone tried John Tiller's naval games? I'm morbidly curious. They're quite bad, do not buy them.
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Apr 24, 2019 19:04
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Can someone post an up to date discord invite?
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Apr 24, 2019 23:40
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https://discord.gg/DFDVxmu Whats wrong with this server?
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Apr 24, 2019 23:59
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Doing some research on the Copyrigt.gov and uspto.gov they have not copyrighted or trademarked rule the waves at all 
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Apr 25, 2019 14:12
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Tythas posted:Doing some research on the Copyrigt.gov and uspto.gov they have not copyrighted or trademarked rule the waves at all Rule The Waves, my new surfing simulator, now on Steam!
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Apr 25, 2019 14:25
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Tythas posted:Doing some research on the Copyrigt.gov and uspto.gov they have not copyrighted or trademarked rule the waves at all Copyright is automatic. (Though registering it can be useful, see https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#register) Trademarks also have force even without registration, though again having it is better for lawyering purposes.
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Apr 25, 2019 14:26
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Yeah they definitely do have claim to it, you couldn't just pounce on that. So I was doing the math earlier today real quick and even assuming he can do one DRM key email every 15 seconds that's still... if that's all he does for 8 hours it's 1920 codes. Their store guy has said confidently that you'll get your code before the game locks you out, so the lockout period is either a LOT of gameplay, or they only expect <2000 people to buy on launch day.
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Apr 25, 2019 14:33
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Two separate quotes from NWS Williammiller Admin posted:A new or replacement graphics card will not require re-activation. Updating the graphics adapter is one of the more common PC upgrades so it will be exempted. someone was saying in the thread that with the DRM system you don't own the game you are pretty much renting it which got this response WarshipNWS posted:Technically and legally "renting" is not the same thing as "licencing" which is included in most any standard EULA and adheres to international copyright law.
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Apr 25, 2019 14:52
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I'm not touching a lot of those dumb arguments people want to get into on their forums about the semantics of what is and isn't piracy and what is and isn't renting. Generally, you're not going to argue the devs out of the position they've ended up in.
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Apr 25, 2019 15:01
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Oh I agree I just find it funny that they are treating the EULA like it's legally binding
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Apr 25, 2019 15:05
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I hope they argue themselves out of all the money they could have earned
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Apr 25, 2019 15:07
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You get the feeling the devs don't care how much their game sells or how much money they make as long as they get the highest possible percentage of the proceeds. I'd rather have 100% of nothing rather than a lesser percentage of something. Same sorta thing regarding DRM; I don't really care about my customers but gently caress the pirates, that's my poo poo you're stealing.
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Apr 25, 2019 15:10
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Impracticality aside, I kind of wonder how their goofy 1990s DRM would react to being run in a VM. Most of the hardware is going to be configurable to whatever you want and you could even just send a snapshot to someone else and it'd all be identical and already installed. I'm not saying that's a good or likely method for people to pirate it, only that I'm not sure they've considered that in the modern era it's actually possible for people to functionally be running identical systems so hardware locking isn't as much of a magic bullet solution as they think it is.
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Apr 25, 2019 15:11
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That's a good point. The game is so lightweight that 'emulating' it rather than truly cracking it would be no big deal. Prediction: RTW2 will be pirated more than the first game despite DRM, simply because of the awareness is higher, being a sequel.
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Apr 25, 2019 15:15
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I haven’t been following whatever the DRM issue is at all and was planning to emulate RTW2 using Wine, which is what I did for the first one. Is there some reason that won’t work?
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There's no real way of knowing, because details on their DRM are a bit secret to ~*stop the pirates*~. I would assume you're fine as long as you're running it in Wine every time, because it's not like they're going to tell the difference. But that also assumes they've coded it competently to some kind of standard and I wouldn't give them that benefit of the doubt. There's a pretty good chance even the devs themselves wouldn't know whether or not it's going to work.
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Apr 25, 2019 15:39
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Bold Robot posted:I haven’t been following whatever the DRM issue is at all and was planning to emulate RTW2 using Wine, which is what I did for the first one. Is there some reason that won’t work? have you run any other grog games using Wine? I've recently dipped my toe into Linux
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Apr 25, 2019 15:41
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gradenko_2000 posted:have you run any other grog games using Wine? I've recently dipped my toe into Linux I also run WitP using Wine. It takes some trial and error to get it working properly but it’s not too bad. I haven’t tried anything with actual graphics but it has worked perfectly for lightweight stuff like RTW and WitP. This is on OS X, though - I’ve never used Linux.
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Apr 25, 2019 16:08
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Bold Robot posted:It takes some trial and error to get it working properly Linux.txt Every other year or so, I get a bug up my rear end to dual boot my computer and play around with Linux. Then I spend 3 hours editing text files trying to set up a bog standard dual monitor configuration, flatten it, and go back to Windows. On topic: This DRM solution is bad in so many ways. At least automate the key distribution system. Leaving the responsibility on one person to manually generate keys and email them is so archaic and stupid that it defies logic. I won't be getting this as I don't want Bill the Keymaster to die leaving me unable to use my legally-purchased software when I rebuild my PC in a year or two. I already can't play CM:BN because it requires a pay-to-play patch to disable their DRM in Win10. So, nope, won't be getting into this type of situation again.
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Apr 25, 2019 16:40
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Someone should tell them that soundcards haven't been a regular thing in PC gaming since the founded the company.
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Apr 25, 2019 16:43
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That they can't even figure out how to automate their dumb DRM key generator scheme is really telling of where they are at skill wise as software developers. This poo poo has been solved for decades now.
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Apr 25, 2019 16:46
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I don't think it's a lack of knowledge I think it's more a stubborn refusal to do so
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Popete posted:That they can't even figure out how to automate their dumb DRM key generator scheme is really telling of where they are at skill wise as software developers. This poo poo has been solved for decades now. I think they're thinking, "well, this has worked so far" and we'll see how it goes when it comes to manually sending out huge numbers of emails the first day.
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Apr 25, 2019 17:17
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The best programmer is a lazy programmer, if there is a thing you need to do more than 10 times it's likely worth writing a program to do it for you. It's just a waste of someones time that is better spent doing something else.
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Wasn’t there some Jutland game like ten years ago that required an always on internet connection for DRM? Didn’t that flop terribly?
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Tythas posted:I don't think it's a lack of knowledge I think it's more a stubborn refusal to do so I agree that it's not a lack of knowledge, but I imagine they've fallen afoul of the most common reason people do stupid things without realizing they're stupid: Faulty assumptions. If I assume I can fly, jumping off the roof of my apartment complex is a perfectly logical thing to do and clearly anyone who is telling me not to jump just doesn't understand basic logic. The real question is when they hit the ground whether they'll realize the assumption was wrong, or if they'll just blame pirates for shooting them out of the sky.
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FrozenVent posted:Wasn’t there some Jutland game like ten years ago that required an always on internet connection for DRM? yes it did, atleast it's not like denuvo, which has an option to check every frame
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FrozenVent posted:Wasn’t there some Jutland game like ten years ago that required an always on internet connection for DRM? "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody DRM today"?
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FrozenVent posted:Wasn’t there some Jutland game like ten years ago that required an always on internet connection for DRM? Storm Eagle Studios developed a 3D Jutland game and distributed it through their proprietary "Stormpowered" digital distribution platform, which was basically a Steam knock-off. The game itself wasn't really that bad, and Stormpowered itself hosted a bunch of other grog games so it wasn't purely for the studio's own use, and I never found their DRM to be particularly intrusive, but it was probably too niche? Like, the reason you want to go on Steam is because you have an install base of customers who will be exposed to your product that might not be otherwise, but making your own Steam isn't at all the same thing even if you cloned it.
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Apr 25, 2019 17:32
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Tythas posted:yes it did, atleast it's not like denuvo, which has an option to check every frame In this genre that's only twelve checks a second so it isn't overly demanding.
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Bold Robot posted:I haven’t been following whatever the DRM issue is at all and was planning to emulate RTW2 using Wine, which is what I did for the first one. Is there some reason that won’t work? Wine Is Not an Emulator  Only reason I can think of is if whatever APIs they call to find out what your hardware is aren't yet implemented in Wine.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Storm Eagle Studios developed a 3D Jutland game and distributed it through their proprietary "Stormpowered" digital distribution platform, which was basically a Steam knock-off. Don't forget the important bit that they got boughtout by some shady Russians who now sell it as if nothing changed but I don't think the game actually works on windows 10 and it'll never be patched because the developers aren't there.
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Apr 25, 2019 18:06
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Anyone getting Imperator Rome? Would like to hear how it plays.
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Apr 25, 2019 18:35
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Probably in 2 months when it goes on sale.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Storm Eagle Studios developed a 3D Jutland game and distributed it through their proprietary "Stormpowered" digital distribution platform, which was basically a Steam knock-off. I just remember the company CEO or whatever telling me off on the subsim forums because “what if I want to use it somewhere there’s no internet access?” was an edge case.
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I can't loving imagine a cadre of gamers where "inconsistent internet access" is less of an edge case, given that the Venn diagram of "likes grog games" and "uses a PC from 1998 to connect to NetZero" is as close to overlapping as it ever could be.
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Why is every grog dev owned and operated exclusively by stubborn old men?Popete posted:Anyone getting Imperator Rome? Would like to hear how it plays. I consider Paradox games to be in beta until at least the first expansion or two.
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I wonder how hard it is to get picked up by a publisher like Slitherine. I bet there are lots of good war games without shareware era DRM at reasonable prices that have slipped through the cracks of Steam greenlight and such.
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