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teagone posted:This isn't actually what I believe. I was saying that's what it feels like with how they handled the character's end. Yeah this sums it up well. The ending is so incongruous, even by Marvel standards, that you feel like there has to be something behind the scenes to provoke it beyond the usual editorial meddling. It really seems like they got Cap and Tony's motivations switched. Yeah Cap is the solider without a war and obviously feels out of place but he's also the dude willing to step up and sacrifice himself to ensure that others have a chance. Him leaving everyone behind to hang out with his best girl feels selfish and also weird in the context of him sucking face with her niece (is Sharon Carter even in this movie?). He abandons Bucky and disdains the connections he made in the present, to say nothing of the need that the world has for him post-unsnapping. Tony on the other hand has had two or three movies that demonstrate that he wants to be done with the heroics, and find a way to end the fighting once and for all. Dying doesn't accomplish that, and on top of that he leaves behind his actual kid and his surrogate son in a pretty hosed up world. He hasn't been the selfish, self absorbed tech guy since Avengers 1, why does that loop need to be revisited and resolved this way? It's evocative because rdj is the face of these movies but man it all feels so off.
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The reviews seem good so hey maybe it gels better than the spoilers suggest
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Now I'm home (finally), it's time for my full reaction! Warning: This is spoileriffic, I will spoil you, like, seriously. I will say a lot of what people are saying seems really confusing... isn't at all. The movie legitimately spends like 5 loving minutes going over the mechanics and even gives you a visual guide to help you keep up with the plot beats. And a lot of the 'what the gently caress' stuff makes sense in context. no, seriously Pros: - All the acting was On Point for this, especially Cap, Tony and Nebula. Favorite scenes: Tony's crippling break down, Thor and Rocket's interactions, Natasha's tiny smile when she sacrifices herself and basically everything Cap did. The "heil hydra" line, and him fighting his past self, got the biggest laughs from the theater. - Cap dual wielding the shield and hammer got the loudest cheers, and although a lot of the cgi was muddy and brown, they redid the... I think the valkyrie scene lighting style from Ragnarok? For his last stand, and that moment was really cool. - Tony's death scene was well done. "I am.. Iron Man" was the start and end of the Avengers, really. It wasn't needlessly gory but it still looked like it hurt. A good send off. - Quips didn't happen at weird awkward moments, so there was still gravitas during the big fights instead of a forced laugh track, joss whedon I am looking directly at you through the screen. - Black Captain America is going to make certain people lose their loving minds and I'm ready for that. Cons: - Hawkeye's haircut. What the gently caress is this emo mohawk bullshit? Like I could barely keep a straight face sometimes. - I saw it in imax and although that was mostly cool, the big CGI clusterfuck had beats where it was too fast and messy to really follow, especially in 3D. There were some good moments that I felt should have been lingered on more and given more weight. - After an entire two movies about Cap and Bucky, I was expecting more of an interaction than a hug per movie for the finale, especially given what happened to Cap. But this is my Winter Soldier is in my top 3 marvel movie faves bias showing. - The 'ladies team up' shot felt really... forced? And I'm speaking as a woman here. I would have rather had them individually get the limelight like the guys were getting. - Natasha dying before getting her own solo movie.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:The reviews seem good so hey maybe it gels better than the spoilers suggest To be fair, the reviews kinda don't matter at this point. This is one of the most hyped movies of the year, the reviews are expected to be glowing, and negative reviews will be seen as contrarian. I hope you're right though, the spoilers have left a sour taste in my mouth.
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As Nero Danced posted:To be fair, the reviews kinda don't matter at this point. This is one of the most hyped movies of the year, the reviews are expected to be glowing, and negative reviews will be seen as contrarian. Avengers 1 and 2 and Infinity War all had lower reviews
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Ending cameo question: Is that teenager standing by himself the kid from Iron Man 3? I could sense the audience going “who the hell is that?” as the compositing nightmare was wrapping up. I couldn’t even make that guess on who it was until my ride home.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:The reviews seem good so hey maybe it gels better than the spoilers suggest Film is good. It was always going to be a bit hard to live up to expectations, and the spoilers actually had me somewhat soured when I went to see it, but I think it is definitely worth seeing and enjoying. That said, two slight thoughts about the film: First, for a superhero movie this had very little superheroing in it. This isn't necessarily bad, but it does feel oddly disjointed compared to a typical marvel flick. Take Age of Ultron, for example. That starts with a big action set piece with our heroes being heroic. Then you have the tower fight with the iron legion, the fight with the twins and ultron which leads into Tony fighting hulk. You have cap squaring off against Ultron to get vision, and the final battle. Five or six major setpiece fights over the course of two hour movie (without credits.) Endgame, by contrast, has basically one main fight. You get a five second scrap with crippled Thanos at the start. A brief mirror match with Captain Americas, and Hawkeye/Widow trying to out suicide each other. You probably only have about 2-3 minutes worth of action scenes in the first two hours of the film, then a thirty minute fuckoff action scene to round it out. It just feels very, very strange. Second, and sort of related to the first, the use of time travel at all in the film feels so weird given how little they do with it. My assumption going in was that they'd planned some sort of 'best of' thing, bringing characters through major events of the previous films as an homage to the series, but they really, really don't. None of the three trips turn out to have any substantive action scenes in them at all, and are all more about letting the heroes see dead people (or moving the thanos plot forward) than they are about anything else. They label it as a 'heist' but it feels like there is zero tension. Like if Nebula hadn't hosed them, and the soul stone didn't require a sacrifice the whole thing would have been the equivalent of going to get their laundry.
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Apr 24, 2019 16:43
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Mierenneuker posted:Ending cameo question: It is, judging by the credits. A nice nod to the film but he felt terribly out of place given that he hasn't appeared in years and was a fairly generic child actor, making him entirely unrecognizable.
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Apr 24, 2019 16:45
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How many post credits does it have
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0 post-credit.
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Apr 24, 2019 16:46
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Caros posted:I think it is definitely worth seeing and enjoying ... Lmao
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Apr 24, 2019 16:50
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Mel Mudkiper posted:The reviews seem good so hey maybe it gels better than the spoilers suggest there's footage all over reddit including the last fifteen minutes of the climactic setpiece so, not really
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Apr 24, 2019 16:52
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Oh no, I have mild critiques about a film I enjoyed!? Truly your selectively quoting parts of my posts makes you come across as something other than an enormous pedant!
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Apr 24, 2019 16:53
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Caros posted:Oh no, I have mild critiques about a film I enjoyed!? The joke is that you consider two hours of the characters doing laundry with no action scenes “a mild critique.”
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Caros posted:Oh no, I have mild critiques about a film I enjoyed!? Truly your selectively quoting parts of my posts makes you come across as something other than an enormous pedant! This is supposed to be the grand finale to a mega-franchise crossover so "there was no tension in a bunch of the set-pieces and it felt like doing chores" is pretty damning. Like some of the spoilers actually made me more excited because I just wanted to see how off the wall they could make everything but your description is probably the first in days to actually dampen my enthusiasm.
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Apr 24, 2019 17:00
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The joke is that you consider two hours of the characters doing laundry with no action scenes “a mild critique.” Thanos watches on as the washer spins to life. "Perfectly balanced, as all things should be. "
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Apr 24, 2019 17:03
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RBA Starblade posted:Thanos watches on as the washer spins to life. "Perfectly balanced, as all things should be. " drat, Thanos was Right.
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Guy A. Person posted:This is supposed to be the grand finale to a mega-franchise crossover so "there was no tension in a bunch of the set-pieces and it felt like doing chores" is pretty damning. Like some of the spoilers actually made me more excited because I just wanted to see how off the wall they could make everything but your description is probably the first in days to actually dampen my enthusiasm. Well to clarify slightly, it is more that the scenes become something different than what was expected. Not bad, just different. The Asgard stuff, for example, has zero tension because it isn't supposed to have tension. It is a character moment and the actual heisting becomes more of a gag in the background. I only brought it up because tonally it seems like more of a 'big drat hero' moment when they head in, but becomes more about time spent with the characters than it does big action setpieces. Probably not the way that I would have written it, but it isn't bad.
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Seriously though I'm not seeing it til next week but is it just the Avengers going to go murder Thanos and if so do they explain why, like, the Vengeancers from Flornax 9 aren't also going to get vengeance for their also hosed planet or the Revengos from the Red Nebula aren't on their way to throttle him I'd think a few billion different groups would want to go kill him
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Apr 24, 2019 17:21
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Caros posted:Well to clarify slightly, it is more that the scenes become something different than what was expected. Not bad, just different. its cool Caros, I got what you mean. It seemed from the description to be more about reference and reverence for previous movies than actual drama and hey it seems to have worked so I guess I will see
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RBA Starblade posted:Seriously though I'm not seeing it til next week but is it just the Avengers going to go murder Thanos and if so do they explain why, like, the Vengeancers from Flornax 9 aren't also going to get vengeance for their also hosed planet or the Revengos from the Red Nebula aren't on their way to throttle him It seems to suggest earth is the only planet with superheroes and captain marvel is the superhero sheriff of every planet that isnt earth
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RBA Starblade posted:Seriously though I'm not seeing it til next week but is it just the Avengers going to go murder Thanos and if so do they explain why, like, the Vengeancers from Flornax 9 aren't also going to get vengeance for their also hosed planet or the Revengos from the Red Nebula aren't on their way to throttle him They only find him after Nebula tells them where to look, so that could be it. Could also be that no one else really knows what the gently caress happened.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:It seems to suggest earth is the only planet with superheroes and captain marvel is the superhero sheriff of every planet that isnt earth This seems to contradict the Guardians, Thor and Captain Marvel franchises which all establish that there are exceptionally powerful people on other planets and space fleets and stuff. Like I guess in those instances it's more like "space military" than the weird small group of elite super vigilantes Earth has, but that doesn't really seem to undermine the question.
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It’s absolutely wild that the good guys have the powers of God and TWO time machines, and they use them solely to: -Prevent civilian casualties. -Nuke an alien slave army. This is certainly the most Avengers movie ever made.
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Apr 24, 2019 17:28
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Just give me loving Jonathan Hickman’s Avengers for the next gigantic rear end phase. Please. Crib exactly. Put him in charge.
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Apr 24, 2019 17:31
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It’s absolutely wild that the good guys have the powers of God and TWO time machines, and they use them solely to: It's better than using them to make civilian casualties
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Apr 24, 2019 17:35
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RBA Starblade posted:It's better than using them to make civilian casualties Here’s an idea: snap yr fingers and cure Thanos’ mental illness, which is now confirmed to be his sole motivation. Hell, you can end disease on a universal scale. And unfuck the massive eco-catastrophe while you’re at it.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Here’s an idea: snap yr fingers and cure Thanos’ mental illness, which is now confirmed to be his sole motivation. Hell, you can end disease on a universal scale. How are they supposed to venge anyone if they're doing things like "show mercy" and "do the obvious thing with five seconds of thought" cmon smg
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They should have wished for a million wishes.
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Apr 24, 2019 17:53
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RBA Starblade posted:How are they supposed to venge anyone if they're doing things like "show mercy" and "do the obvious thing with five seconds of thought" They don’t venge anyone!
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Makes sense for the Avengers to not venge anyone, linguistically speaking.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:They don’t venge anyone! lmao welp They should consider a name change at some point
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Apr 24, 2019 17:58
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No, we mean a-vengers like a-theist or a-moral!
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They bring all the #fallen back so that they don’t have to #avenge them. The closest they come to avenging anything is when they make a clone of Thanos and then flog it like an effigy before he’s even done anything. Their vengeance is preemptive! I’m actually mildly upset that they finally created an interesting Cinematic Universe, and it’s the alternate one where Thor 2 ends with a raccoon attack and Avengers 1 is briefly interrupted by a blundering Steve Rogers doppelgänger. Why couldn’t we have that?
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coolusername posted:Live in China, saw the movie, it was loving awesome. I didn't really dig part 1 but yeah, just thanks for the chinese theater update. anyway saw it, it was bang average, some ok moments and a lot of reverse engineering to get to specific scenes that doesn't really work but whatever, this franchise isn't about consistency thematic or otherwise
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Mierenneuker posted:Ending cameo question: yes
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coolusername posted:Live in China, saw the movie, it was loving awesome. I didn't really dig part 1 but yeah, just I feel like this a foreign audience thing most audiences don't have to listen to the dialog since its all subtitled and so they are a bit noisier I had that issue in Mexico, Spain was better but only because of the Franco-era dubbing law
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:They bring all the #fallen back so that they don’t have to #avenge them. The thing where they clone him and ratpack his rear end sounds really funny.
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it's pretty cool that tony demands the unsnap not revert things back to how they were just because he wants his daughter to still exist. a universe's worth of trauma, insignificant in the face of one last act of stark selfishness.
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R. Guyovich posted:it's pretty cool that tony demands the unsnap not revert things back to how they were just because he wants his daughter to still exist. a universe's worth of trauma, insignificant in the face of one last act of stark selfishness. Yeah, what kind of rear end in a top hat doesn't want to be directly responsible for the non-existence of their five daughter.
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